[Epiph]

That rings true with what I remember.

[Dancer+]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Nov 28 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

No, the problem is that WJ is sworn to Hood and is still with him when the sword is shattered, so like the other souls he must come out.

Maybe Apsalar vs Apsal'ara in the future ?

This could happen but it's a little too 'convenient' to count upon it in any way, shape or form. First things first, take out the names and give me a reason why they would fight.

Aptorian, on Dec 2 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Could you give us a quote of ST saying he wanted a queen? I'm guessing he was joking, ST doesn't like to share his power...

Someone being the Queen in High House Shadow does not mean they have any power over Shadowthrone. Queen does not mean they get an equal share in the decisions either, Shadowthrone would still be the ruler of Shadow. I assume the titles are merely present as titles rather than affording any particular significance, at least that's my theory. Queen does not trump Assassin, interestingly we've yet to see Cotillion's control over Shadow. A more indepth look at the intricacies of the houses, what powers are afforded and who gets them would be nice to explore in Dust of Dreams.

Epiph, on Dec 8 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Dec 6 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

Well, I actually like the idea that dying for a righteous cause can bring people back to live...

Look at Coltaine, look at Itkovian .... and tell me you didn't like the plot it gave

If anything, Itkovian's return as a deity with little of his own will trapped inside a barrow was decidedly depressing.

I maintain that the emotional impact of their personal sacrifices, to the reader, is lessened as a result of their resurrection. Although, in retrospect, Coltaine may have had an inkling that he didn't need the necklace thing.

I agree with your emotional impact statement. I think TtH, and the series, would have been stronger without the Redeemer and the Dying God, I've yet to re-read to gauge a more accurate, and distant, opinion of this however.

I have a question: What do we think the pacing of DoD will most be like out of all of the books?
A consistent burner like HoC? A slow build up but a heavy finish like TtH?

[Fox]

I agree, the Redeemer/Dying God thing did nothing for me. The only thing the story-line did that was theoretically important was throw in a challenge to Nimander and his family, and really, other things could have been done instead.

[Flawed]

Dancer, on Dec 17 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Nov 28 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

No, the problem is that WJ is sworn to Hood and is still with him when the sword is shattered, so like the other souls he must come out.

Maybe Apsalar vs Apsal'ara in the future ?

This could happen but it's a little too 'convenient' to count upon it in any way, shape or form. First things first, take out the names and give me a reason why they would fight.

Aptorian, on Dec 2 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Could you give us a quote of ST saying he wanted a queen? I'm guessing he was joking, ST doesn't like to share his power...

Someone being the Queen in High House Shadow does not mean they have any power over Shadowthrone. Queen does not mean they get an equal share in the decisions either, Shadowthrone would still be the ruler of Shadow. I assume the titles are merely present as titles rather than affording any particular significance, at least that's my theory. Queen does not trump Assassin, interestingly we've yet to see Cotillion's control over Shadow. A more indepth look at the intricacies of the houses, what powers are afforded and who gets them would be nice to explore in Dust of Dreams.

Epiph, on Dec 8 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Dec 6 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

Well, I actually like the idea that dying for a righteous cause can bring people back to live...

Look at Coltaine, look at Itkovian .... and tell me you didn't like the plot it gave

If anything, Itkovian's return as a deity with little of his own will trapped inside a barrow was decidedly depressing.

I maintain that the emotional impact of their personal sacrifices, to the reader, is lessened as a result of their resurrection. Although, in retrospect, Coltaine may have had an inkling that he didn't need the necklace thing.

I agree with your emotional impact statement. I think TtH, and the series, would have been stronger without the Redeemer and the Dying God, I've yet to re-read to gauge a more accurate, and distant, opinion of this however.

I have a question: What do we think the pacing of DoD will most be like out of all of the books?
A consistent burner like HoC? A slow build up but a heavy finish like TtH?

Your question El Dance'o. . . . . I thought SE has said he is going to load up this next book with so much fact and threads coming together so the end book is all about action and it all coming togther. I would imagine with this in mind it will be a fact finding slow burner of a session that will invoke at lease 12 re reads.

14 if you are Brood

[Ilona]

Lisheo, on Nov 1 2008, 02:33 AM, said:

We did, Cougar. Remember, those JAde chunks were suggested by someone to have hit the moon.

~And on the moon, gardens died~

Not sure if I should bring up a post several pages ago that most people seem to have just passed by, and probably it's been ignored exactly because it's so clear to everyone... But I just happened to be proud of a certain realisation when I read that particular line back in tBH so I can't let it pass without saying something (stating the obvious? perhaps). The line was actually: And one by one, the gardens died. Not referring to any actual gardens in the moon, but to the conversation between Crokus and Apsalar in GotM that involved imagining the moon to have those beautiful gardens.

That said, all the speculation has been very interesting to read.
Personally I hope Mappo and Icarium will find each other again at some point, as well as Kalam & QB, and that we'll see Brood owning hard.
And some more on Silchas Ruin. <3

This post has been edited by Ilona: 18 December 2008 - 11:34 PM

[Urizen]

Am I alone in wanting to see a more of Yan Tovis and the Shake?

[Hinter]

Urizen, on Dec 22 2008, 09:32 AM, said:

Am I alone in wanting to see a more of Yan Tovis and the Shake?

You are not alone. I thought the shake were cool in a weird, creepy kind of way. Don't suppose they'll be back though as I believe any further action on that continent will be over the other side.

[Aptorian]

I absolutly hated the shake part of RG. It served no purpose at all. The only thing we learned was that there's KCCM eggs in the lether sea... that's about it. It was even worse than the Redmask storyline.

[Traveller]

Apt, also President of the WHRF...

I liked the way Deadsmell turned up and told them all about their heritage - and the 'shores' not being literally sea shore, but the shores of Darkness, as they were all decended from Tiste Andii... they just didn't know it.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 22 December 2008 - 10:59 AM

[lord of tragedy]

so does rake's ascension and the return of MD mean that the andi and their remnants are somehow being re-invigorated to resume their war against the kc? why did the kc support redmask? were they simply using him as a pawn to slaughter the awl utterly? is it signifigant that their remnants remain with tool and the imas? the awl had fought the kc for an eternity.

This post has been edited by lord of tragedy: 22 December 2008 - 02:55 PM

[Aptorian]

lord of tragedy, on Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

so does rake's ascension and the return of MD mean that the andi and their remnants are somehow being re-invigorated to resume their war against the kc?

The Andii people number in the thousands, probably under ten thousand. Can't remember if a number/estimate of the population is mentioned in TTH but there aren't many of them. Of ocurse millions of them could be living in KG, but the Andii living on Wu couldn't handle a small colony of KCCM right now, let alone a full on war. And why would they wage war on the KCCM? The orginal battles were fought for the right to settle on Wu and not live under the yoke of the KCCM who by then killing themselves in an endless civilwar that probably made the Tiste wars seem like childsplay.

lord of tragedy, on Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

why did the kc support redmask? were they simply using him as a pawn to slaughter the awl utterly?

We have no way of knowing what was going on. They certainly weren't out to destroy the Awl, at least it wasn't a priority. They were serving Redmask and that's the extent of the knowledge we have of them.

lord of tragedy, on Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

is it signifigant that their remnants remain with tool and the imas? the awl had fought the kc for an eternity.

By "their remnants" I assume you're talking about the Awl children at the end. I think they were spared because Toc gave his life to save them, but I'm not sure any other Awl will be left alive. The White Face came to answer the betrayal of the Grey Swords with slaughter. I assume that the White Face will be putting every man, woman and child to the sword. Slaughter answered in kind.

And the Awl legends of fighting the KCCM can hardly be called an eternity of fighting. The KCCM were just passing through, if I remember... Ruins? explanation correct, they didn't even much care that they were losing numbers to the pesky humans, they were running from the Ice and the remaining Edur.

[Urizen]

Aptorian, on Dec 22 2008, 09:59 PM, said:

The Andii people number in the thousands, probably under ten thousand. Can't remember if a number/estimate of the population is mentioned in TTH but there aren't many of them. Of ocurse millions of them could be living in KG, but the Andii living on Wu couldn't handle a small colony of KCCM right now, let alone a full on war. And why would they wage war on the KCCM? The orginal battles were fought for the right to settle on Wu and not live under the yoke of the KCCM who by then killing themselves in an endless civilwar that probably made the Tiste wars seem like childsplay.

I seem to remember Endest Silann (or maybe Korlat) putting the Andi number in Black Coral at 1100.

lord of tragedy, on Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

why did the kc support redmask? were they simply using him as a pawn to slaughter the awl utterly?

I'm of the opinion that the KCCM's were scouts sent to judge the human's capabilities and maybe stir up trouble among the awl and letherii to soften things up for the KCCM armies.

[ritchiediaz]

Things I want to see in DoD:-

Kallor - one of my favourite characters post TTH.
Gothos - love any segments where he is present. He just seems very central to everything. Collecing Azath Houses? Woah!
Dassem | Hood - how will their relationship stand now? New God of Death? Hood's Wife?
Paran - the little hint with Picker was too little!
What the Queen of Dreams is up to with Dunsparrow.
Tehol, jsut for the funnies if nothing else
Mael - what was his game trashing Dassem's ship, and why do ST and Cot think that Mael is a slowcoach? Also, Mael imploding Mallick would be cool!
Silchas Ruin - some more insight into the Andi history; how was he used, and how will the return of MD and departure of Rake affect him?
Fiddler and QB - well d'uh!
Icarium - some hint as to what he was up to.
Karsa and Samar Dev finally get it on


Things I don't want to see in DoD:-

Weak 'out of thin air' storylines like the Dying God and Kelyk.
Cutter. Or Crokus.
Clip.
Nimander and co, unless it's part of Silchas' story.
Annoying little kids such as Snell and Harllo.

This post has been edited by ritchiediaz: 22 December 2008 - 11:57 PM

[Benji]

I haven't properly read through the topic, but has anyone touched on the name of the book for speculation?

Sounds to me like we're in for a bit of T'lan Imass, Imass and K'rul

[Sinisdar Toste]

some have speculated that the queen of dreams will appear more prominently in this book as well

[MTS]

SE used the phrase 3 times at the end of TtH, when Challice jumps out of the window with her snowglobe. "Dust of dreams, will you now command the wind? Dust of dreams, is it not time to set you free?" Then, 5 lines later..."Dreams will not linger, but their dust rides the winds forever".

No idea what it could be about though. Maybe the T'lan Imass and their aspirations?

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 07 January 2009 - 07:51 AM

[BeLeG]

Ι will be happy if I dont see Karsa in DoD.He was in 6,7 and 8.

[MTS]

and 2, and 4...

[BeLeG]

That's right but at least there was memories of ice between 2 and 4 and there was midnight tides between 4 and 6

I don't think I can handle 4 straight books with Karsa..

[Aptorian]

Yeah, one can only handle so much awesome before your head explodes.