[amphibian]

I'm not sure you can wake her up without connecting deeply to her, digging into what she's afraid of (looks like many many things that include the reality of a dangerous disease), and then asking her questions designed to break the pattern - which is hard to do.

Deprogramming cultists is super hard, which is why there's only a few people who do it. Simply removing the person from the cult (or firehose of misinformation) isn't enough because the person has had their life altered to a point where their routines and emotional dependencies are built around that.

I think this saving process is a long and tough endeavor and if you want to do it, that's good, but if you also don't have the time and energy to do it, that's also good. Might be enough to say something heartfelt about how you like this person, but you can't agree with this nonsense and that it's actively dangerous to condone that nonsense.

[Aptorian]

Just make sure it's not Corona.

[QuickTidal]

In defence, Corona is a great light beer to drink after a long day hard work. Throw a slice of lime in that fucker and go.

[QuickTidal]

For anyone that cares about the saga with my crazy sister during COVID...I'll spoiler this for people who don't much care. This tails onto a discussion we had in the COVID thread, so may not be relevant to most people.

Spoiler

So we've entered the phase of "apologize without actually apologizing" period of this current conflict. This is not new. This is what she does. She will lash out, be nasty AF and then a few weeks of silence followed by a text about a completely unrelated thing - this time it was that her gifts for my kids Christmas were arriving and could I put a tag with their names on it for them - then that segues into the fact that she thinks my son or daughter will LOVE the gift she chose and why. This then segues into some banal chitchat about things. She actually threw in some "too bad for COVID, we will miss your family this year for Christmas, glad to hear a vaccine is coming soon, maybe we can organize a social distanced trail walk in the new year"....so no actual apology, no acknowledgement of the transgression(s), just average chit chat that acts like nothing happened and all is okay. I take this time and time again because deep down I know it means I "won" the argument...when she thinks she's 100% right, she won't ever back down (we have issues like this that stand between us still). This is how she backs down when she realizes I have a point or I'm right. Adding in stuff like being conscious of our rules in the pandemic on how we might interact with people (outside, socially distanced, masked ect.) is the biggest red flag that she's buckled enough on it to walk across the bridge. I should be clear though, we would be one glass of wine away at a social gathering for her to drop right into the same arguments and craziness loudly. She doesn't have it in her to "discuss" things in any rational way.

And quite frankly I'm still toying with the idea of cutting her out. Her actions have probably put people at risk during this pandemic, most closely my immunocompromised mom and stepdad (both of whom have been at her house multiple times during the last 8 months), this is so much deeper a wound to family than her voting against mine and my family interests with a vote for Ford or then Cons in general. If my mom or my stepdad got this virus...they....would....die. My moms lungs collapsed during surgery about 6 years ago, and she's had issues with respiratory stuff ever since, and my step-dad has had heart surgery, prostate cancer and a super rare immune-neurological disorder all in the last year. They would both be toast. My sister does not abide bubbles and only seems to mask herself when she must. I doubt she social distances. It just like this is the bridge too far, and my congenial nature of "not rocking the boat" may have come to an end.

Moreover, I feel like having any conversation with her is me walking on eggshells to not set her off into conspiracy lady. It's taxing on the best days.

I dunno. It's also going to 100% fuck up my relationship with my mom if I cut my sister out.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 10 December 2020 - 06:11 PM, said:

In defence, Corona is a great light beer to drink after a long day hard work. Throw a slice of lime in that fucker and go.

True.
And on some level in early days when it would have been just slightly less offensive i wanted them to lean right into the pandemic for their advertising, but they've stayed admirably silent/business as usual.

[Abyss]

This...

QuickTidal, on 10 December 2020 - 06:37 PM, said:

...going to 100% fuck up my relationship with my mom if I cut my sister out.[/spoiler]

...is the primary reason to put up with all that crap, as far as you can and that tiny bit extra we throw in for family.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 10 December 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

This...

QuickTidal, on 10 December 2020 - 06:37 PM, said:

...going to 100% fuck up my relationship with my mom if I cut my sister out.[/spoiler]

...is the primary reason to put up with all that crap, as far as you can and that tiny bit extra we throw in for family.

Yeah, this is one of the things I'm most hung up on. My dad would care, but he could easily compartmentalize us as family units and keep us separate. His relationship with his eldest sister is similarly strained on principled levels. My mom though....she keeps us intrinsically linked and gets really upset when we "fight" as she calls it. She also doesn't know my sister has a tonne of baggage from their relationship when my sister was younger and that she harbours a deep resentment of my mom...all of this would come out and really destroy my mom.

So I want to cut her out, but being who I've always been (the family whipping boy who just takes it) will keep the peace...so I'll probably keep doing that. I don't want to...but yeah, I don't see a way out that doesn't tear the whole already fractured family asunder.

[Malankazooie]

Tecate > Modelo > Dos Equis > Bud Light Lime > Milwaukee's Best Light > Cat Piss > Corona.

[Tiste Simeon]

Abyss, on 10 December 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 10 December 2020 - 06:11 PM, said:

In defence, Corona is a great light beer to drink after a long day hard work. Throw a slice of lime in that fucker and go.

True.
And on some level in early days when it would have been just slightly less offensive i wanted them to lean right into the pandemic for their advertising, but they've stayed admirably silent/business as usual.

It's been a lot cheaper than usual.

Not that I buy it, it's pretty awful stuff IMO. Still better than Coors/Bud but for a hot day, a San Miguel is my go to lager (more of an ale person myself!)

[Cyphon]

Stuck my hand into my workbag into a pocket i dont normally use, and then put my hand right through a green covered mouldy clementine. Urgh

[Malankazooie]

You know what hits me with a tinge of sadness? In the morning I drive by a few houses that have leaned in hard on those inflatable Christmas lawn displays. When they are deflated during the day and dot the yard in depressing piles waiting to be blown up again they look sad, like they have finished their work and have nothing left to give. Like party balloons in the hotel ballroom/event space a week after a New Year's party waiting to be cleaned up.

[Mezla PigDog]

Gah I hate being the one telling friends that I'm not going to the thing they are planning that will break the local covid rules. They are being perfectly nice about it but I feel like a right old bore.

And my kid got in my bed last night. I'm the grumpiest woman in the world right now. I've had no longer than 15 minutes sleep in a row after invariably being startled awake being smacked in the teeth, head butted in the stomach, head butted in the head, frozen with no covers, manically having my face stroked and having my hair pulled.

[Tsundoku]

I believe I warned you back in 2009 that when it comes to revenge, I play a long game.

[Abyss]

Malankazooie, on 11 December 2020 - 06:04 PM, said:

You know what hits me with a tinge of sadness? In the morning I drive by a few houses that have leaned in hard on those inflatable Christmas lawn displays. When they are deflated during the day and dot the yard in depressing piles waiting to be blown up again they look sad, like they have finished their work and have nothing left to give. Like party balloons in the hotel ballroom/event space a week after a New Year's party waiting to be cleaned up.

A neighbor had this incredible Halloween dragon... silver and red with lightning from its mouth, LEDs for the eyes and lightning, HUGE, massive wings.... probably the bestest Halloween decoration EVER.
....deflated it was so sad.

[Slow Ben]

Mezla PigDog, on 13 December 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

Gah I hate being the one telling friends that I'm not going to the thing they are planning that will break the local covid rules. They are being perfectly nice about it but I feel like a right old bore.

And my kid got in my bed last night. I'm the grumpiest woman in the world right now. I've had no longer than 15 minutes sleep in a row after invariably being startled awake being smacked in the teeth, head butted in the stomach, head butted in the head, frozen with no covers, manically having my face stroked and having my hair pulled.

Its like sleeping with a drunk octopus looking for their keys.

[Macros]

Pocket Jacks, never win with them, never win against them.

fuck me, I'm fairly sure this has messed with my groove here several times over the years, but god damnit, just once cut me a break on the jacks!!

[Maark Abbott]

On the subject of corona beer, I picked up two cans of Neonraptor Centaur Army. Two 400ml cans. 13% abv.

Ran me to £15.

My wallet is die

[Macros]

Two tinnies for £15, are you fucking mental?

[Cyphon]

That is the equivalent of drinking six normal pints though... which for 15 quid ain't bad.

[QuickTidal]

Macros, on 17 December 2020 - 09:25 AM, said:

Two tinnies for £15, are you fucking mental?

Yeah, that's insane. With the conversion rate to CDN, I can get like 8 or 10 tall boys (473ml) for the same price.