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#30081 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 16 October 2023 - 11:07 PM

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Posted 17 October 2023 - 01:57 AM

Only my fellow Americans can perhaps understand my pain but why on earth are FSA accounts use it or lose it. Why give you the option to invest tax free dollars into your health only to than threaten you that if you dont spend it in a timely fashion you will be taxed 100% and lose it all. Its literally the goverment asking you to gamble with your health and funds. How sick do you think you will be over the next 12 months, dont guess too low but definitly dont guess to high. If the point is to help people save for medical costs why not let us keep the money.

I lost as many dollars as I saved pre-tax.
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Posted 17 October 2023 - 07:20 AM

 Cause, on 17 October 2023 - 01:57 AM, said:

Only my fellow Americans can perhaps understand my pain but why on earth are FSA accounts use it or lose it. Why give you the option to invest tax free dollars into your health only to than threaten you that if you dont spend it in a timely fashion you will be taxed 100% and lose it all. Its literally the goverment asking you to gamble with your health and funds. How sick do you think you will be over the next 12 months, dont guess too low but definitly dont guess to high. If the point is to help people save for medical costs why not let us keep the money.

I lost as many dollars as I saved pre-tax.


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Posted 17 October 2023 - 07:49 AM

 Cause, on 17 October 2023 - 01:57 AM, said:

Only my fellow Americans can perhaps understand my pain but why on earth are FSA accounts use it or lose it. Why give you the option to invest tax free dollars into your health only to than threaten you that if you dont spend it in a timely fashion you will be taxed 100% and lose it all. Its literally the goverment asking you to gamble with your health and funds. How sick do you think you will be over the next 12 months, dont guess too low but definitly dont guess to high. If the point is to help people save for medical costs why not let us keep the money.

I lost as many dollars as I saved pre-tax.


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Posted 17 October 2023 - 07:55 AM

Governments exist only as a means by which to funnel all money upward. Doesn't matter which brand, some are just more obvious about it than others.

Just remember that is the sole purpose behind all decisions and you'll find things start to make a sick sort of sense. :p

The trick is to try and maximise any accidental side benefits for the general populace.

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Posted 17 October 2023 - 01:55 PM

Certainly i can believe that about the US and UK govs. Subjective, of course, but I give Canada just a tiny shred more credit. That's an element, and we're seeing it more and more at the prov and municipal levels. But i have enough experience w the federal level to believe there are institutions and people genuinely trying to do their best for the population, not to moneybags.
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 12:40 AM

 Cause, on 14 July 2023 - 02:06 AM, said:

In a separate but troubling development for me one of my friends who I used to speak to practically daily has started to take hours to days to respond to my texts. She is notorious for this and when I first met her over a decade ago this was her pattern. She uses her phone regularly, its not that she isnt aware of texts, she just chooses to not respond for whatever reason. I have always found it odd as with the exception of reading a text when Im busy and planning to reply later but forgeting to, not responding to a text has always been foreign to me. However for the last ten years we have honestly probably texted or spoken quite regularly and she would respond to me in what I would just describe as normal texting behavior. I cant nail down exactly when this started changing but the change is obvious. I first asked her if she is okay and more recently called her out on it once already. She acknowledged it and said work was just really busy but the pattern has continued for over a month.


My problems with my friend have continued. I am deeply upset and hurt by this. I lost a friend before the first year of University, one day he just told me via chat on an IM computer app I cant even recall the name of he wanted to end our frienship. It was the worst breakup of my life. We Had been best friends for 8 years. He was my best friend, I was for years perhaps the only friend he had. In high school we were considered to be inseparable. If you saw one of us, you expected the other was nearby. I found out years later he came out as gay (I never knew or even suspected) and mutual friends (my friends who were friends with him through me) of ours who stayed in contact with him untill they slowly drifted apart, have theorized to me the two life events were linked. Maybe he wanted a clean break for some reason or maybe I hurt him in some way. He never explained why even though I asked and I stopped trying to figure it out when all overtures to fix it were ignored. It hurt me for years, until with time it becomes something you just never thing about.

The friend I spoke about above continues to be distant. When you used to speak to someone 3 times a week and now she can go 2 weeks before replying to you, you tend to notice. Or at least I did. I curently feel I being passive aggressive by not messaging her until after she responds to me first whether it takes a day or over 2 weeks but I am not. I have brought up this behavior multiple times askign if there is somethign wrong and asking her if she is okay.

I dont know how we got to this point but for her to say she hadn't noticed anything's wrong in the first place when I first brought it up felt worse than if she had agreed something was wrong. When I asked a second time if something was wrong she said she had been making an effort and hadnt I noticed (I hadnt), she tried to imply I was the one who had a problem with her and she couldnt understand why I was upset about and the problem was me. It struck me as almost purposeful trying to not understand what I was saying. The third time, a week later, I had a rare chance to speak to her in person and I called attention to the fact that she now regularly takes days to weeks to reply to me. I pointed out that when I was in the UK for a business trip and tried to plan going to canterbury with her (somewhere she told me she wanted to go) that I found her so disinterested I remembers explicitly asking her if she was excited to go on the trip or not. She accused me of not being empathetic for her situation even as she told me I was the only one of her friends who cared to check in on her during her hard times (over the last two years she left an abusive boyfriend after I supported and encouraged her to do so, and she broke her knee and was stuck at home for months), and she said I was one of her most important friends. She cried telling me how hard its been and how little support she has had (even as she acknowledges me as one of the few who did). She told me I was misinterpreting events like the canterbury trip. She told me again how its been tough with work and she isnt checking her messages much and she went two weeks without talking to her own mother even. I almost wanted to accuse her of gaslighting me but didnt given her past with her boyfriend. I said if she was having a hard time I wanted to be there for her and told her whether it was intentional or not the way she was interacting me the past few months came across as rude or disrespectful (I forget excactly what word I used but something along those lines). Still I hoped the conversation had let finally understand where I was coming from and hoped their may be a change. There hasnt been.

Part of me worried that maybe she is having a tougher time the past two years than I realized but thats not how I feel. I feel the far more likely explanation I think is that she isn't too busy, she is too busy for me. Or just too disinterested. Everyone has there phone everyday not checking or replying to your messages is either purposeful or because you forgot. I forget to reply to people I admit. Normally a distant Aunt who messages me happy birthday and I forget to thank them for 3 weeks. The peoples who I forget to reply to are not the people I consider most important in my life. The last two direct messages we exchanged outside of a group chat were 11 and 7 days apart.

I dont know whether to bring it up again, I have brought it up 3 times over the last three months. I dont want to lose another friend and would rather fix it if I can but how often can I bring it up for no result and keep trying. I also dont know what to make of the fact that something so clearly has changed between us a
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 11:42 AM

Dude, you're forcing this so hard that the whole thing is creaking and groaning like an old wooden house sinking into a swamp. (Edited bc autocorrect made wooden be woman initially)

Your friend is just not able to do friend talk. My guess is that she's depressed in a big way plus defensive about this and you're not helping with this course of action.

Move on. You've gotta be able to put things like this down.

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Posted 18 October 2023 - 12:35 PM

 amphibian, on 18 October 2023 - 11:42 AM, said:

Dude, you're forcing this so hard that the whole thing is creaking and groaning like an old woman house sinking into a swamp.

Your friend is just not able to do friend talk. My guess is that she's depressed in a big way plus defensive about this and you're not helping with this course of action.

Move on. You've gotta be able to put things like this down.


Seconded.

You can't force this kind of stuff, especially when nine times out of ten that person is going through stuff that makes them just unable to engage in even texting...she's not being intentionally malicious, my guess is that Amph is right and there's depression feeding this and you pressing on them will only make things worse.

If someone is telling you nothing is bothering them, either there isn't and you should believe them, or there is and it's nothing to do with you and they don't want to involve you...and again that should be okay.

My wife gets annoyed if I ask her what's wrong and she says nothing and then I ask her again a little later...sometimes people just go through stuff. Even those you are close with.

I have a friend I used to talk to every few days for most of my late teens and early 20's, but as life got in there way we drifted a bit, and he lived in another country for a bit and it became every six months and then once a year, and it's probably been about 4 years now since I've seen him properly or spoken more than a few comments on FB.....but if we get together it will be like we never stopped talking every other day. Some friends will stay even at a distance for your whole life, and you can slide easily back into the friendship when you see them. You don't have to chat every day or text all the times to stay friends...friends come in all shapes and varieties and styles.
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 03:01 PM

I considered depression and admittedly I am no expert but part of the reason I feel this doesnt fit is because in the last 3 months or so she has gone to 2 music festivals, 2 trips to Europe and 2 international trips. This doesnt really strike me as someone struggling with depression or with communicating with people.

Friendships can change and drift apart or become like you said this thing where you can spend years apart and not even talk but meet up and pick things up like nothing has changed. These types of friendships exist and I even have them and maybe thats what this will become. It will still be a downgrade. Its also not so much going from speaking 3 times a week to 3 times a month that bothers me, I have friendships like this also. The difference is that in those other cases we speak about something, the conversation naturally ends and you reach out about something new a week down the road. That is different from someone taking 2 weeks to respond to your text int he first place.
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 03:13 PM

 Cause, on 18 October 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

I considered depression and admittedly I am no expert but part of the reason I feel this doesnt fit is because in the last 3 months or so she has gone to 2 music festivals, 2 trips to Europe and 2 international trips. This doesnt really strike me as someone struggling with depression or with communicating with people.


It's weird that in 2023 it needs to be explained that depressed people ABSOLUTELY outwardly can look like they are having a blast in life, doing fun things and seeming (online at least) to be having a great time....and still be deeply depressed. Like look at the things Chester Bennington was up to in the weeks before he died...he was having a good time as his normal self, nothing amiss...and then he killed himself.

Depression doesn't have a face, and very often it hides underneath the happiest of smiles and laughs. Trips and music festivals don't mean she's not going through shit mentally...in fact those things could be like bandaid therapies for what she's probably going through...like I'll shop for books of video games when my depression starts to get at me....to help me feel better for a little while....
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 04:25 PM

 QuickTidal, on 18 October 2023 - 03:13 PM, said:

 Cause, on 18 October 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

I considered depression and admittedly I am no expert but part of the reason I feel this doesnt fit is because in the last 3 months or so she has gone to 2 music festivals, 2 trips to Europe and 2 international trips. This doesnt really strike me as someone struggling with depression or with communicating with people.


It's weird that in 2023 it needs to be explained that depressed people ABSOLUTELY outwardly can look like they are having a blast in life, doing fun things and seeming (online at least) to be having a great time....and still be deeply depressed. Like look at the things Chester Bennington was up to in the weeks before he died...he was having a good time as his normal self, nothing amiss...and then he killed himself.

Depression doesn't have a face, and very often it hides underneath the happiest of smiles and laughs. Trips and music festivals don't mean she's not going through shit mentally...in fact those things could be like bandaid therapies for what she's probably going through...like I'll shop for books of video games when my depression starts to get at me....to help me feel better for a little while....


I know that depression is complicated. I just don’t know if that is what this is or not. She doesn’t go on these trips alone, which is why it feels like she hasn’t stopped communication with everyone. She has stopped communicating with me.

I had a friend before, people thought we were really close but in reality he was just close to a friend of mine but we absolute did hang out together the 3 of us fairly often. He was more than a friend of a friend but equally we were part of a grind ship group rather than friends who did things just the two of us. He went through a really hard time. So much so that at one point I made sure to say it out loud to a circle of his friends that we should keep an eye on him, that I was worried. A few months later his life got better, he seemed happier, I relaxed. A few months after that he killed himself. His life was on the way up, I couldn’t understand it, but I realized the damage was already done.

I was probably one of the last people to speak to him, night he killed himself as I was in bed I messaged to ask about some plan we had vaguely discussed in the future. He made no reply that I found weirdly non-communal and I remember thinking I better check on him the next day and went to bed. Got the text the next morning while I was in the uni lab that he had killed himself.

If my friend is depressed just ignoring it until she gets better would seem to be the wrong move just as much as keep asking her what’s wrong.
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Posted 18 October 2023 - 06:12 PM

 Cause, on 18 October 2023 - 04:25 PM, said:

I know that depression is complicated. I just don’t know if that is what this is or not. She doesn’t go on these trips alone, which is why it feels like she hasn’t stopped communication with everyone. She has stopped communicating with me.


No, this is an insecurity on your part. Her commiuncaitons coming less often doesn't mean she's ignoring you...it means that other things re taking precedence, and yes that means other friends. You're making it infinitely worse by constantly asking what's wrong and implying she's not communicating enough, which may only cause her to actually intentionally distance herself...self-fullfilling prophecy.


 Cause, on 18 October 2023 - 04:25 PM, said:

If my friend is depressed just ignoring it until she gets better would seem to be the wrong move just as much as keep asking her what’s wrong.


No. you're making assumptions here too. How do you know she's "ignoring it"? She could very much be dealing with it through other friends and possibly other avenues...your hurt feelings over not being the person or thing helping her is causing you to overdo it, and so you assume that the situation with your other friend is repeating and it will be too late. That's a SLEW of assumption hoops to jump through to get from "She didn't text me back as soon as she used to" to "She's depressed and hiding it and not dealing with it and going to harm herself"

But hey man, you do whatever you're going to do...but it really sounds like you're forcing it and she's reacting to that after the fact a little. I'd be bothered if I had a friend who kept asking about what's wrong because I hadn't "texted" them back...
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Posted 20 October 2023 - 11:52 AM

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Posted 20 October 2023 - 04:12 PM

Back on the pause button. I had hoped that after 8 years of this, our new trajectory would finally move us forward. Nevermind, we've learned to deal with this in multiple manifestations, we can do it again. Quite incredible what you can bounce back from when you're a team. Hurts every time, though.
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Posted 21 October 2023 - 06:33 PM

 QuickTidal, on 16 October 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

The buttering of the bread before other sandwich elements is a Boomer thing that hearkens back to post-WWII...my mom and dad both did it...but most younger people (Millennials and below) don't do this even in Canada.


I use butter when I make toast at home. Usually toast the bread, then put a cheese slice on each half, and maybe a slice of meat in the middle.


If there's no cheese, I tend not to use butter for just meat and bread.

Then again, I don't believe in condiments/sauces, so I'm not representative of the general population in any way shape or form.
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Posted 21 October 2023 - 08:03 PM

 Mentalist, on 21 October 2023 - 06:33 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 16 October 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

The buttering of the bread before other sandwich elements is a Boomer thing that hearkens back to post-WWII...my mom and dad both did it...but most younger people (Millennials and below) don't do this even in Canada.


I use butter when I make toast at home. Usually toast the bread, then put a cheese slice on each half, and maybe a slice of meat in the middle.


If there's no cheese, I tend not to use butter for just meat and bread.

Then again, I don't believe in condiments/sauces, so I'm not representative of the general population in any way shape or form.


This is fine as something I would do too. It’s when the butter is in a cold sandwhich that it bugs me
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Posted 22 October 2023 - 09:13 AM

 Cause, on 18 October 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

I considered depression and admittedly I am no expert but part of the reason I feel this doesnt fit is because in the last 3 months or so she has gone to 2 music festivals, 2 trips to Europe and 2 international trips. This doesnt really strike me as someone struggling with depression or with communicating with people.

Friendships can change and drift apart or become like you said this thing where you can spend years apart and not even talk but meet up and pick things up like nothing has changed. These types of friendships exist and I even have them and maybe thats what this will become. It will still be a downgrade. Its also not so much going from speaking 3 times a week to 3 times a month that bothers me, I have friendships like this also. The difference is that in those other cases we speak about something, the conversation naturally ends and you reach out about something new a week down the road. That is different from someone taking 2 weeks to respond to your text int he first place.


I'm an absolute nightmare for not responding to messages. Outwardly I probably look like I'm up to all sorts of good stuff but inwardly I am under so much pressure I am spiralling. The messages least likely to be answered are the ones that require stuff of me. They are either asking me to commit to something or from friends who are mentally a bit of a drain on me. I sure I drive people bananas but I'm at a place in my life where I never get to put myself first. So oftentimes I just think "screw it" when it comes to the myriad of non-essential life admin on my to do list. Sadly this includes maintaining friendships.

Cut your friend some slack, think generous thoughts. Either she will come back or she won't and you can't force it.
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Posted 23 October 2023 - 07:46 AM

Wait, people don't butter a sandwich first by default?????
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Posted 23 October 2023 - 09:43 AM

I butter a sandwich for anything ... except peanut butter. Couldn't tell you why.
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