[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

If only WJ could have finished the job. Stupid mallet, should've healed that knee. WJ was practically begging him to do it!

[Sir Bob]

well that question was easily answered, cheers guys. thought it odd though that korlat was the one that pulled away from chassing kallor to help spinok, thought it would have been the other way round, but there we go.

[eekwibble]

Leanoric;359033 said:

a) SE was lying. (you could argue he did this about the Hounds of Light, too, though...)
Whiskeyjack and everyone else will be expelled from Dragnipur and happy and alive. But we just won't happen to meet Whiskeyjack again in the books. Seems a little unlikely... (unless ICE will pick him up and SE never intended his comments to apply to ICE?)
c) Their spirits are released but, well, no bodies. Still dead. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

no wait, here's a fourth option:

d) Being released from Dragnipur only applies to those who were slain by Dragnipur. Other people who just happened to wander in (ie. Hood's army), well they are still dead.

In many ways c seems most likely as otherwise a whole mess of people would be being released. Pearl, Ditch, the mad artist guy,

The armies of the dead are already gone, it's just those that are chained left.

Pearl bit the dust already, as did Ditch, Kadaspala and everyone else on the wagon.

I reckon there's a good chance that when Hood comes out, wherever that happens, Dassem will be right back on his ass. :eek:

...wait, that didn't come out right.

[Battalion]

I have a few questions.

1)How did Gruntle and Co. get into Dragnipir, (might of been summoned by Hood with the help of that dead guy) and what was the point? Was it simply to let the Second and Toc out, coz it would of been easier to just do it when they opened the rift into Hood's realm.

2)Kallor and Karsa were both spouting about wanting to bring an end to civilisation. Do you think that a partnership might be forthcoming, bearing in mind that both of them showed that they were more than willing to travel with powerful companions.

3)What was the Rope speaking to Traveller about when he saw him in Daru? Was the Rope and Shadowthrone part of Rake's plans?

[tiam]

1. cartographer led them in to get Toc out. thats the only reason we know of.

2.not likely Karsa and Dassem were kindred spirits and treated each other as equals. kallor talks down o a dormant draconean soletaken. Karsa wouldnt likely stand for it tbh.

3.ST and Cots played there own game. They were in Rake plan as far as they agreed not to go for Dragnipur. Obvisly they did try through Pust.

As for the Dassem Cots convo probably something about Hood had already been killed but honestly we dont know.

My stupid question.

A GOTMism most likely but were told some Andii had turned to SD instead of KG. Yet weve seen no sign of this. Thoughts?

Also cant wait till Tiam lets loose. Hopefully we get to see some Van Tiamage

[fafner]

just wondering if the shattering of Kurald Emurlahn happen when there was blood of a dragon spilled by bloodeye. why was KG still whole when tiam got killed by rake?

[Dolorous Menhir]

fafner;367113 said:

just wondering if the shattering of Kurald Emurlahn happen when there was blood of a dragon spilled by bloodeye. why was KG still whole when tiam got killed by rake?

Not sure, but the obvious possibility is that Rake did not kill Tiam in the warren of Kurald Galain. On the other hand, we have Icarium's testimony that Sorrit's blood was spilled in Kurald Emurlahn.

Likely location for Tiam's death would be Starvald Demelain, the First Warren, the warren of Dragons.

[fafner]

hmm so when rake killed tiam KG shattered in 2 in SD and KG?

[HoosierDaddy]

fafner;367118 said:

hmm so when rake killed tiam KG shattered in 2 in SD and KG?

I would say no, we see from Endest Sillann's perspective that the Andii world was not split by Rake's killing and subsequent drinking of Tiam's blood. That slaying was in response to the birth of Father Light and obviously subsequent Liosan and Edur. (I would also note that most likely Silchas & Andarist were present at the slaying and subsequent drinking of Tiam's blood at this time.) MD turned her back (and her Godness?) on the Andii for this action.

I think Tiam is somewhere in Starvald Demelain.

[Birt]

Who was the (swordwielding?) character who turned away from Dharujistan right at the end. I think it's only mentioned in a couple of lines right next to the scene of Kallor sitting in the bar with his mug of ale. I completely missed who that one was. It can't have been the Imass with the funny leg bones as the Azanth caught him. Who else was coming towards Dar? Any ideas?

Sorry about any poor spelling, I've not got the books with me!

[Battalion]

I thought they were talking about Dassem as he left the city? Might be wrong.

[Skywalker]

Battalion;367570 said:

I thought they were talking about Dassem as he left the city? Might be wrong.

That was my impression also... Given Rake's, Karsa's and Kallor's dispositions at the end of the book, that doesn't leave any significant swords in the hands of any characters beside Dassem...

[Battalion]

Also, if it wasn't Dassem, SE never gave him any signing off, like he usually does with the main players.

[Aooga]

Thank Gods for this thread. I too read teh book way too fast and was pretty confused about many things. Didn't want to advertise my ignorance to loudly so was waiting for one of these.

ok so Rake's duel with Dassem was a setup eh? Rake forces Dassem to kill him so that he can go into Dragnipur and do what exactly? yeah that part just went woosh over my head.

Move the gate to KG to Black Koral? why? what was Hood's reason for being there?

What's the deal with the man and woman with the dog in the prologue?
Why was the sword broken?


yeesh....i need to read slower.

[Grief]

A few things.

We are told that Tiam can come back to life, by various sources. The only one I can remembher off the top of my head is in TBH, at the beginning, one of the dragons says soemthing like "Unlike Tiam, when we die, we stay dead"

Another thing. The spilling of blood isnt the only thing that broke KE. Scabandari was messing about with gates(iirc), and possibly even the two together. Many things led to its downfall. Most were caused by Scabby.

[tiam]

Grief- We dont know. Simple as that. Tiam is too ambigous.

My stupid question.

Did Endest Silann kill Andarists wife? It sounds like he did on a couple of points (cant bring up quotes atm) so this leads me to beleive that the MT quote of Scabbys grief wasnt killing his wife.

[Skywalker]

tiam;370050 said:

Grief- We dont know. Simple as that. Tiam is too ambigous.

My stupid question.

Did Endest Silann kill Andarists wife? It sounds like he did on a couple of points (cant bring up quotes atm) so this leads me to beleive that the MT quote of Scabbys grief wasnt killing his wife.

I don't have the book on me either, but it was more like Endest feeling guilty about letting Scabby kill her wasn't it? Or did she cheat on Andarist with Endest?

GAAH... need reread

AND

A semi-stupid question of my own. In the TtH prologue, Edgewalker, ST, and Hood (or Cotillion) meet up. Edgewalker says ST has called him here to "mitigate".

Mitigate what? WTF did Edgewalker do beyond appearing in the prologue? Did I miss something?

[tiam]

Maybe so the three of them dont kill each other then and there? Or simply because EW as an elemental has relevant knowledge

[HoosierDaddy]

Skywalker;370056 said:

I don't have the book on me either, but it was more like Endest feeling guilty about letting Scabby kill her wasn't it? Or did she cheat on Andarist with Endest?

GAAH... need reread

AND

A semi-stupid question of my own. In the TtH prologue, Edgewalker, ST, and Hood (or Cotillion) meet up. Edgewalker says ST has called him here to "mitigate".

Mitigate what? WTF did Edgewalker do beyond appearing in the prologue? Did I miss something?

I was under the impression that Edgewalker's permission was needed for High House Shadow to do certain things, perhaps Edgewalker was assuring Hood that ST's and Cot's would stick to their side of the bargain with Dassem/Rake/Hood situation.

Or, we wonder how the armies got from Hood's realm to Dragnipur... well, seeing as shadow tends to be everywhere and floats around, perhaps they were arranging a path from Shadow to Dragnipur. Shadow is the House of the only ascendants to ever escape Dragnipur, the 2 hounds, and a Soletaken Shadow Hound is the Wanderer Within the Sword.

[Sindriss]

As I understand it Edgewalker was there to mitigate moving the entrence to Mother Dark away from Dragnipur somehow. Or maybe to help get the attention of MD so Rake could show her his offering to help save things.