[Illuyankas]

The way I see it, Rake was just defending against Dassem's attacks, where Dassem was trying to provoke him into striking back. Defending is a lot easier than attacking.

[Banana]

Ok, so what I"m curious about is how SE is going to tie the plot of Toll the Hounds into the last two books. I'm assuming of course that this book's plot is meant to be part of the great tapestry of his ten book saga (seems logical).

So what I figurer so far is that obviously some of the denizens of Dragnipur will play part in the next couple of books as they will 'spill out' in various places.

I also think there is a good chance that Cutter/Spite may be swept into the narrative as well instead of simply heading back to 7 cities.

Possibly Traveller/Dassem as well since we have no idea where he is headed and I also think Kallor will be mixed up in the events. Envy is also a wild card. As well as Tulas Shorn and the other undead dragon who may or may not have been Tulas Shorn.

Mother Dark may also make some appearances since she is God and I'm assuming she can get around quickly.

Gruntle, Mappo and crew obviously seem to be headed towards the next continent.

Shadowthrone and Cotillion might reappear (can't imagine the story without them) butttt as of yet they haven't appeared on Lether soooo they may also only make cameo appearances in the warren of shadow.

However, it seems that the bridgeburners, the Noms, Karsa, Nimander, Baruk, Iskaral Pust and his wife, and Kruppe seem destined to remain in Darujhistan for the remainder of the series.

Any theories or objections?

[Raraku]

Shadowthrone was there in Lether during RG when he talks to Hood and Menandore(cant spell). They all were making a deal and then Hood calls both of them "worse than advocates" and then leaves.

[Abyss]

Illuyankas;358489 said:

The way I see it, Rake was just defending against Dassem's attacks, where Dassem was trying to provoke him into striking back. Defending is a lot easier than attacking.

My version is that Rake needed to set up the perfect hit that would turn Dragnipur against him. For that he had to ensure Dassem committed completely to an attack, and to do THAT he had to fight, not just defend.

Interstingly, SE specifically points out that Rake's opening stance is mirrored by the 'block' he makes that results in Dassem throwing Dragnipur back into his face. Wasn't quite sure what to make of that.


- Abyss, clearly needs CSI: Darujhistan...

[Illuyankas]

I speak from experience here, but letting a blow through your block is really, really easy, as is being hit with your sword if you don't put enough force into the block (like for example if the guy you're sparring with doesn't understand the words 'pull your damn strikes already'). But I'd agree with Rake getting Dassem aggravated enough to go for proper killing blows - if only because he had Hood - waiting for the angle he wanted, and simply relaxing.

[Optimus Prime]

Banana;358505 said:

Ok, so what I"m curious about is how SE is going to tie the plot of Toll the Hounds into the last two books. I'm assuming of course that this book's plot is meant to be part of the great tapestry of his ten book saga (seems logical).

So what I figurer so far is that obviously some of the denizens of Dragnipur will play part in the next couple of books as they will 'spill out' in various places.

I also think there is a good chance that Cutter/Spite may be swept into the narrative as well instead of simply heading back to 7 cities.

Possibly Traveller/Dassem as well since we have no idea where he is headed and I also think Kallor will be mixed up in the events. Envy is also a wild card. As well as Tulas Shorn and the other undead dragon who may or may not have been Tulas Shorn.

Mother Dark may also make some appearances since she is God and I'm assuming she can get around quickly.

Gruntle, Mappo and crew obviously seem to be headed towards the next continent.

Shadowthrone and Cotillion might reappear (can't imagine the story without them) butttt as of yet they haven't appeared on Lether soooo they may also only make cameo appearances in the warren of shadow.

However, it seems that the bridgeburners, the Noms, Karsa, Nimander, Baruk, Iskaral Pust and his wife, and Kruppe seem destined to remain in Darujhistan for the remainder of the series.

Any theories or objections?

I think most of DJ's residents are staying put...but SE has said that ICE will be taking up Karsa's storyline.

I don't really know about the Andii. Who knows what MD is up to now? There only needs to be about 10-12 Andii to make a fucking force. They have their warren back now....curious.

ST and Cotillion will be INVOLVED. I've always had this notion that since they were the first scene we really saw in MBotF...they'll be the last...but that's probably wrong But as far as being involved in the rest of the story....uhhhhhh...ABSOLUTELY.

Kallor? Oh yeah

Cutter seems to be going back to Apsalar....and Malaz City where we last saw her.

I can see the BB's reuniting one more time.

As for the denizens of Dragnipur...no fucking clue.

[kalmavet7]

Optimus Prime;358727 said:

I think most of DJ's residents are staying put...but SE has said that ICE will be taking up Karsa's storyline.

I don't really know about the Andii. Who knows what MD is up to now? There only needs to be about 10-12 Andii to make a fucking force. They have their warren back now....curious.

ST and Cotillion will be INVOLVED. I've always had this notion that since they were the first scene we really saw in MBotF...they'll be the last...but that's probably wrong But as far as being involved in the rest of the story....uhhhhhh...ABSOLUTELY.

Kallor? Oh yeah

Cutter seems to be going back to Apsalar....and Malaz City where we last saw her.

I can see the BB's reuniting one more time.

As for the denizens of Dragnipur...no fucking clue.

The andii possessing their warren for real now---SCARY. they'll surely do something at some point. maybe an ICE book?

ST and Cot have their hands in absolutely everything. i like the parallel between first scene and likely last scene. good stuff. i for one would enjoy that.

as for the denizens of Dragnipur, they must be back to some degree as Envy commented on Draconus being "back" but where they are/what they'll do is a mystery. surely we'll see some of them again, especially the original Apsalar and Draconus.

[Sir Bob]

ok stupid question ill bite
is rake dead? and i mean DEAD dead. we see all these people coming back one way or the other and seen as rake was stupidly powerfull it seems odd. the way i read it he was dead as we know him but not really. im prob just rambling but whats new!

[Illuyankas]

His soul was torn apart and went into KG. I'll say again, I personally believe that he's chilling in Andii heaven with Endest and will stay there for the rest of the series.

[Sir Bob]

ah but it went into kg thats like his power base or some such.

[Abyss]

Really, if we want to be specific, only Karsa was told not to leave Darujhistan. That doesn't mean the CG plot can't find it's way back to Darujhistan and Karsa. For that matter, it's not like Karsa routinely does what he's told, so anyone is fair game for the last two MBFs.


- Abyss, wheeEEeeee...

[Terez]

What did SE actually say about ICE writing the Darujhistan/Tyrant plot? Some are saying that's all he said, and some are saying that SE specifically said ICE would pick up Karsa's storyline. Which is it?

[Tenaka Khan]

One thought that intrigues me about the freed denizens of Dragnipur is that Hood is also among them. Does one just resign from being the Lord of Death? He seems to think so.

Oh, another thought pops up. Shouldn't the captured souls in Dragnipur - and they were only there in spirit so to say as their bodies got chopped to pieces before ending up in the dreary place in the first place - end up wherever the dead go now after Hood retired?

Just throwing it out there, dunno if this makes much sense, did not get much sleep lately...

[Illuyankas]

Steve said that the Tyrant storyline will be resolved in one of ICE's books.

[Terez]

Karsa was not mentioned?

[caladanbrood]

Not that I heard - just the Tyrant.

[Optimus Prime]

Illuyankas;358752 said:

His soul was torn apart and went into KG. I'll say again, I personally believe that he's chilling in Andii heaven with Endest and will stay there for the rest of the series.

I agree. He's with his mother now....in Kurald Galain. I don't think we'll see him again. Too much was made of his death.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Yeah, I think Rake is gone. He might make a cameo in someones dream or something.

[Abyss]

Optimus Prime;358789 said:

I agree. He's with his mother now....in Kurald Galain. I don't think we'll see him again. Too much was made of his death.

In principal, i want to agree with you.

But then, well, Whiskeyjack, Brys, Toc, hell, Bellurdan frikkin Skullcrusher just reappeared - ANYTHING is possible.

- Abyss, loves it when death is only an inconvenience...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Yeah, I won't be convinced of anyone's final death and disappearance until the series is actually over.