[Geoffray]

lobo the wolfman, on Aug 10 2009, 07:16 AM, said:

Was Jordan going to do a sequel to the Wheel of Time? i got the impression that after the main books he was over with it, besides those little novels and that he's next series was called the 'Infinity of Heaven', a new story.

Or is this going to be like a Dune money grabbing scheme for the publishers?

IIRC, it's was supposed to be like this:
- 3 prequel (1 with the story of moiraine discovering the existence of the DR, 1 telling the tales of Tam in the soldienring group of the Stone of Tear, an the last one, how moiraine and Lan came when they came in the two rivers).

- The sequel was just a "project". Matt and Tuon going to the seachean continent to do what they have to do (please not that's after the Last Battle, so whe can supposed that Matt will survive it-or not ^^)

[Abyss]

Just saw the cover on amazon.ca. Geez, not much of an improvement over the fake, is it?


- Abyss, wasn't exactly buying these for the covers but still...

[Werthead]

The 'outrigger trilogy' was a series of side-stories set in the WoT world, during and after the events of the series. He mentioned Mat and Tuon in Seanchan, and some fans theorised that Talmanes and the Band of the Red Hand's adventures in Murandy and running afoul of King Roedran would be a second book (Talmanes starts telling Mat about it in KoD then stops and suggests they come back to that later).

The prequels were New Spring, Tam's life story and Moiraine and Lan's adventure that landed them in the Two Rivers at the start of the series.

I'm hoping that Tor decide not to go ahead with these other books and instead incorporate the notes RJ had for them into the WoT Enyclopedia or a History of Middle-earth style account of the writing of the series.

[Tamilyrn]

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Tamyrlin? That's the name I believe of the founder of the Aes Sedai (if not the first person in the world who learned to channel the One Power, I don't think RJ was clear on this point) in the First Age. Lews Therin wore the Ring of Tamyrlin as part of his rank, but 'Tamyrlin' wasn't a title. It became one in the Third Age due to corruptions of history and myth through the Breaking.

That's what I thought too... and I've been using this nick for years on that assumption.

<<-- Hopes its not something different and ridiculous

[Terez]

You spelled it wrong.

@Morgy - I'd recommend reading at least the prologue of Crossroads. It was really good, and covered a lot of the plotlines that are going to be important in the last three books (Black Ajah hunters, Rodel Ituralde, etc.)

[HoosierDaddy]

So, a random question that just popped in my head. There were 5 well known great generals at the beginning of the series, right? Iturade, Niall (Whitecloak guy), the ex-Andoran general who is now with the Rebel Aes Sedai, the Shianarran guy, and one more. Only Niall is dead so far of these, correct, and that was due to political in-fighting. Why haven't the Forsaken or Darkfriends, or Black Ajah layed waste to the natural leaders of armies come Tarmon Gai'don?

[Slow Ben]

Gareth Byrne, Davram Bashere and Ag...something Jagad.


Of course, we know mat could kick all their asses.

[Terez]

Probably because they're not really all that organized. Graendal has been keeping Ituralde running around crazy in Arad Doman via orders ostensibly from the king - she's apparently too stupid to have anticipated what Ituralde is up to now. Also, Gareth Bryne was dispatched by Rahvin (who had Morgase exile him), Niall was being undermined by Jaichim Carridin, and no one's had a chance to get at Agelmar since he disappeared with the Borderland rulers, but some people think that one of the Forsaken is behind that plan as well. I doubt anyone anticipated that Bryne would end up capturing the former Amyrlin because she committed some small offense in his small jurisdiction, or that he would end up chasing her halfway across Randland because she had pretty blue eyes, or that he would end up taking a job as general for the rebel Aes Sedai. As for Bashere...there have been plenty of attempts to get at him, but he's under Rand's protection.

[HoosierDaddy]

I guess my point is... why play with them, and not just off them? Both Graendal and Rahvinn had them at their mercy. I would like to think the forsaken are savvy enough to off a general without getting caught.

Also, yes, Mat would whip them, but it's the thought that counts.

[Yellow]

I tended to get the feeling that the Forsaken were more like spoilt children than savvy military minds.

[lobo the wolfman]

I got the impression that the Forsaken don't really think much of the nations that have sprung up since they where trapped. I mean that in the Age of Legends, there where armies into the hundreds of thousand troops, with more advanced weapons then swords and bows. So the Forsaken wouldn't see the 'so called great generals' as much of a threat, also considering that there are properly more then enough Trollcos in the Blight combined to defeat anyone.

The reason that Ravhinn and Greandal played with Byrne and Ituralde was because they had some kind of influence over the rulers of the countries they where trying to take over. So getting them sent far away was a enough for their plans.

Thats how i see it anyway.

Yellow: back in the day Sammael and Demandred where considered as good as the Dragon as generals, with Be'lal close behind.

This post has been edited by lobo the wolfman: 11 August 2009 - 07:23 AM

[Use Of Weapons]

So, it's possible that those Forsaken who are not good generals found themselves the best generals of the current Age. Their arrogance would permit them to believe that they could continue to get the generals to toe their line (and there's always Compulsion) and organise whatever strategies they wanted to implement, leaving them free to do whatever it is that Forsaken do. Plus, it denies the other side the use of the generals. The Forsaken do seem to understand the worth of good tools.

[Skywalker]

I always thought the Forsaken were all committed to making every damn mistake in the Evil Overlord list

[Abyss]

I agree, altho RJ hinted that the Big Bad was deliberately playing the Foresaken off against each other and many of their 'mistakes' were the result of each other's manipulations or the Big Bad's deliberately failure inducing instructions to spurn Rand to turn to the Dark Side or something.


- Abyss, unimpressed.

[Cause]

lobo the wolfman, on Aug 11 2009, 09:19 AM, said:

Yellow: back in the day Sammael and Demandred where considered as good as the Dragon as generals, with Be'lal close behind.

Nothing and no one ever equalled Lews Therin in anything. Demandred was close but sill not as good I fact his jealousy of Lews because he was always second best is wha made him turn to shadow. Same thing with Sammael.

In fact if you throw in Lanfear turing to shadow because he married the wrong women you got t wonder if Lews was a good or bad thing for the light durng the age of legends

[Terez]

There's word of something exciting in the way of WoT news coming soon, maybe at DragonCon this weekend, maybe on the anniversary of RJ's death (which I think is 9/19). I'm hoping it's the e-book prologue. The authorities have been strangely silent on that since JordanCon.

[Abyss]

Cause, on Aug 11 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

...In fact if you throw in Lanfear turing to shadow because he married the wrong women you got t wonder if Lews was a good or bad thing for the light durng the age of legends

After he deep fried whole bunches of singing gypsy aiel, i'd forgive him anything.


- Abyss, ...and yes i know it wasn't him but it's funnier that way...

[Terez]

Abyss, on Aug 11 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

I agree, altho RJ hinted that the Big Bad was deliberately playing the Foresaken off against each other and many of their 'mistakes' were the result of each other's manipulations or the Big Bad's deliberately failure inducing instructions to spurn Rand to turn to the Dark Side or something.

The way I understand it, getting Rand would be a bonus, but the Dark One doesn't really give a shit about the Forsaken beyond using them to get out of his prison (which will be accomplished only through general chaos). They've been promised this and that, but once he's out, all bets are off. I think that Ishamael/Moridin is the only one of them that has faced that truth, and he's only done it because he's insane enough to believe that he will get something out of it. When he spied on Sammael and Graendal in A Crown of Swords, that was apparently the first he'd heard of the Dark One promising Nae'blis to other people. He didn't appear to be either surprised or distressed at the news.

[Abyss]

But isn't Moridin already named as Nae'blis? (which can change, but at the moment...)


- Abyss, could say he's having his moment of 'blis...

[Terez]

Abyss, on Sep 3 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

But isn't Moridin already named as Nae'blis? (which can change, but at the moment...)

At that time, he hadn't been. Even during 'Mindtrap', five chapters later, he wasn't named so - not till The Path of Daggers.