[Terez]

Around here, usually only the fancy places have someone that massages your head, though the sprayer thing always feels awesome, even at the cheap places. They just give you much extra love in the fancy places, and have a separate and expert head-masseuse to wash hair.

[Shinrei]

Macros, on Oct 17 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

how much in $9 in real money?

My hairdresser charges me a fiver for a chop, does a consistently good job at it, she gets an obsene amount of custom because she does a consistently good (and speedy) haircut. you see what i did there? yes i put in the reward for good service, an obscene amount of custom, people know shes good, people know shes fast. her shop is always busy.

Except that it's her shop. She's employing herself so makes good on the profits. If she had an employee, they'd be getting whatever shitty wage she paid them AND would have to work really hard since the shop is so busy, for no hope of anything extra.

I'm a firm believer that an employee who feels they have a chance of a good tip, as opposed to a shitty tip or no tip, are more conscientious about the job that they do. I mean, wouldn't you, if your salary depended on you doing a good job?

It's all you socialists believing you're somehow "entitled" to everything....

[Macros]

I'm entitled to my wages yes, because i work hard for them.
If I dont work hard I get the sack, its a pretty simple equation, look

Good work ethic = job
lazy bastard = fired

I don't see where the confusion or "socialism" arises.

if one needs $15 per haircut to get by, make the price $15, not $9. then, to ensure you get repeat custom, do a good job. its a much simpler way to look at life

[Terez]

Macros, on Oct 18 2008, 12:04 PM, said:

Good work ethic = job
lazy bastard = fired

It's not so simple, especially with tip-wage jobs in the US, which are usually so hard-up for employees that they can't afford to fire any old person who is doing a bad job. Which is another reason why you want your waiter/waitress/hairdresser to have extra motivation to do a good job.

[Sindriss]

Aptorian, on Feb 10 2008, 09:10 AM, said:

Xander;256641 said:

Well the guys on my staff are making 8 dollars an hour...and most of them are in school. Without tips...they aren't going to have a life...at all.

My view on tipping is this. In the states, the status quo is supposedly 20%. If the waitress is bad...I still tip something. It would have to be plain out awful to not tip.

Exceptional service means a good tip, it is that easy.

Well, 8 dollars and hour for a person over 18 is illegal. I think the minimum wage is twice that here in Denmark.

But like wolf says tipping isn't really a part of the culture. I think I've stayed at a hotel once in my life so I have no idea how that works but at places like bars and resturants tipping isn't required. If you're at a resturant you might "add up" the bill so that it fits with a round number but we're not talking 20% no where close.

It is partly because the states have no minimum wage. You can see people flipping burgers for a few dollars an hour.

As for wages, I know my cousin gets a lot of money from tips, but he works in a upscale place, or a bit higher than average restaurents at least. Reason I never ever tip is because I am a student and cannot afford it

[Shinrei]

Wow. 2 years later and Macros is STILL wrong.

[HoosierDaddy]

Can you imagine the batshittery insanity that would result here if the minimum wage was raised to $15.00 an hour within even the next 20 years? It'd be pandemonium.

[Morgoth]

Shinrei, on 04 April 2010 - 01:08 AM, said:

Wow. 2 years later and Macros is STILL wrong.

Two years later and reading your absurd straw-manning in this thread still gets me annoyed

[Shinrei]

LIES!

[Morgoth]

Shinrei, on 04 April 2010 - 01:44 AM, said:

LIES!

Don't you worry. I'd still have your babies if I could.

Incidentally, you're going to play in my mafia game.

[Shinrei]

[Tsundoku]

By a strange coincidence:

http://www.news.com....r-1225846979772

How much to tip when travelling overseas

* Kate Armstrong
* From: Lonely Planet
* March 29, 2010 3:19PM

Lonely Planet

To tip or not to tip? That is the question for many travellers.

Knowing how much and when to tip in other countries can be a conundrum.

According to a survey undertaken by Expedia.com, Americans, Russians and Japanese are said to be the best tippers in the world while the award for the stingiest nationalities goes to the Germans, French and Israelis. Where do Aussies stand in the tipping stakes?

My more tight-fisted Australian friends argue that there's only one rule: don't do it. At the other extreme, more generous travellers ignore the 10 to 15 per cent rule and hand over large AUD-equivalent amounts - especially in developing countries - for anything from a coffee to a full-day city tour. Their attitude? "Twenty dollars is nothing to me and a lot to them."

But should travellers be supplementing poor salaries - regardless of whether they are first-world or developing countries?

And, is it a case of 'when in Rome...'? The USA surely boasts the world's most entrenched tipping culture; at home, locals know how much they are expected to hand over - regardless of service standards - to everyone from doormen to taxi drivers. What ever happened to rewarding good service?

Recently, while touring with a group in South Africa I received top-notch attention in luxury resorts. At each stop, our tour leader suggested tip amounts, to be divided evenly by resort management among all staff. But does such a practice place unrealistic or unfair expectations on tourists?

So - back to the question: to tip or not to tip? Maybe, your best bet is to ask the locals and calculate the tip in local currency based on the average daily salary. If culturally appropriate the 10 to 15 per cent rule seems fair. But at the end of the day, good service deserves a reward.

--------------------------------------------

Some interesting ideas.

[Illuyankas]

We don't push cows over any more than anyone else.

...wait a minute.

[Jusentantaka]

Sombra, on 04 April 2010 - 03:50 PM, said:

The USA surely boasts the world's most entrenched tipping culture; at home, locals know how much they are expected to hand over - regardless of service standards - to everyone from doormen to taxi drivers. What ever happened to rewarding good service?

I think that gives a bit of a wrong idea of how it is here. We tip for passable or average service sure, but I know plenty of people who won't tip for bad service, and most people tip better for good or great service, if they can afford to, at least. Maybe its just that I was raised to tip well, period, and I don't know THAT many people, and what makes service 'good' is really subjective. Not everywhere can be a Paris cafe at breakfast where, the minute you grumble and scratch your head because you need a cigarette, a waiter teleports from 20 feet over and hands you one.

[Morgoth]

You might want to chose another city than Paris

[Jusentantaka]

I only use it, cause that's the city I was in when such awesome service was given. Czechs and Germans might have been nicer on the whole, but that guy had their best beat

[Adjutant Stormy~]

I have never gotten worse service anywhere in the world than when I was in Paris. Just godawful.

I'm guilty of being Mr. Pink, and Shin is guilty of trying to enforce his minimum-wage charity conspiracy on the rest of us.

[Aristai]

Tipping by it's very nature it way too subjective. From what qualifies as good service, vs passable service to downright bad service...From people not being able to do simple math to figuring the higher the bill, the less I should have to tip. People expecting a circus sideshow in return for their money...

Give me a decent wage any day of the week over the sheer unpredicability of tipping. It's a crapshoot.

And I accept that's the way the industry rolls, just that I'm under no illusions it's all that great.

This post has been edited by Aristai: 06 April 2010 - 08:51 PM

[Shinrei]

Well, when I was a waiter people thought I was great. I got "best waiter" comments quite a bit actually. <preens>


As a result, I made waaaaaay more money than any possible wage I could have expected. So if you're good, it pays, and it's a good motivator. If you're bad, it doesn't pay. As a former waiter, I fully encourage people to tip according the service rendered. If the service is crap, then the tip should be crap.

[Macros]

If the service is crap. there should be no tip for crying out loud.

2 years later, and I'm not getting into this rubbish again.

Tip is for above and beyond, the wage is for doing your job, take your shitty wages up with your manager, not the customer.