[Macros]

this debate continues without me?
scandelous!
how dare you etc and all that.
i am appalled
watching waiting, and the tippin issue is prominent in it.
dean was not stiffed
some cheap assed git didnt stiff him, he just is a cheap redneck, tough, fucking soak it up
people are NOT obliged to tip.
the price is on the menu.
end of fucking arguement

[HoosierDaddy]

Reason and rationality asserts its ugly head.

[Shinrei]

Macros;373702 said:

this debate continues without me?
scandelous!
how dare you etc and all that.
i am appalled
watching waiting, and the tippin issue is prominent in it.
dean was not stiffed
some cheap assed git didnt stiff him, he just is a cheap redneck, tough, fucking soak it up
people are NOT obliged to tip.
the price is on the menu.
end of fucking arguement

PM me a picture of yourself. That way, when you come into my restaurant I can give you the level of service deserving of the tip you won't leave.

[Terez]

Search him in the pics thread, Shin. He's got a few in there.

[Yellow]

Macros;373702 said:

people are NOT obliged to tip.
the price is on the menu.
end of fucking arguement

Amen, brother.

[HoosierDaddy]

It's obliged in the states, unless you want to be known as a tight-assed, jerk. God, I'd tip if only to ensure that I can return to restaurants without fear of having my food completely jacked.

[Trenchgrave]

I work in the Hospitality industry as well (a Casino), and come out of a Hotel background. I also had the oppertunity to work in the UK, and to me tipping appears to be as much a cultural thing as anything else.

In the UK it was possible to survive on the hourly wage, if barely,and tips were few and far between (apart from the occasional lost and delusional yank, lol). It came as a surprise to me, as back in South Africa I was brought up to tip about 10% of the total bill, and more if the service was good.

This may be because here waitering, especially in the private sector, is poorly regulated in regards to hourly rates and such, and a lot off staff work purely for tips and/or comission. Bartenders usually get a small tip for every round served as well. Or they do if you want speedy service next time. We also tip the lads that put petrol in our cars at the service station (no self service here), the gent who showed you an empty parking spot etc etc.

I suspect that as a country with a high unimployment figure, the numbers of people who work for a minimun wage or no wage at all is higher than either Europe or the USA, and it is a kind of social responsibility to tip if you could, even for things that would be considered absurd, unnecessary or silly in other places.

As I mentioned earlier, in the UK tips were not needed to survive,and were therefore not so common.

Just my bit of amateur sociology, lol

[Optimus Prime]

We have tons of Europeans in the hotel right now, mainly because it's a great time to come to the states since our dollar is so down.

My guys are telling me most don't tip well, but there's always the exception.

[Macros]

its not my problem if the jobs got shit pay.
the price for the feed is on the menu.
accept it, i didnt expect tips when i worked in a bar, i was being payed
wait for it








hold on








wait......






to serve alcohol.
which i did well, fantastically, all arogance aside, probably the best damned barman in the place.
Did i expect the customers to shell out more than they were already because i had done my job?
No
ALl your arguements for better service and the like go out the window, why?

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[Slum]

I will never tip my 'barista' for pouring me coffee. Apparently, they've come to expect a 'donation' after every drink served.

What's so fucking special about putting coffee in a cup? Nothing. It's not my problem that you're an Ivy League grad who's been relegated to a customer service position. I don't value erudition with my coffee, thanks.

[HoosierDaddy]

Macros;373966 said:

its not my problem if the jobs got shit pay.
the price for the feed is on the menu.

Well, if you made $2.50, or 2 euros an hour, I'm pretty sure it would be your problem that the job had shit pay.

And guess what, in parties of 8 or more, you are forced to pay a gratuity, in any restaurant that is a semblance of being nice.

[caladanbrood]

Forced? Wow... those places must lose customers fast.

[Shinrei]

This is just rehashing what has already been said. If it is customary where you are to tip, please tip. If it is not customary, please dont. And if the service is sub-par in a place where it is customary to tip, don't tip (or leave a pittance). And even in the US, the barkeeper and barista are making a wage, so a tip in those cases is extra, not customary.

It's not hard people.

And Macros, since tax is NOT on the menu, I guess we dont' need to pay that either?

[caladanbrood]

Shinrei no Shintai;374047 said:

And Macros, since tax is NOT on the menu, I guess we dont' need to pay that either?

It is, here. North America is the only place I've seen that puts a false price on things they sell, and only add on the tax later. Never understood it either :confused:

[Macros]

shrinrea in proper countries it is.

the tax is on the menu, what you see, is what you pay, no fucking the customer with a surprise rape charge.

again, leave a pittance tip?
WHY?
bad service equals a fucking complaint, not a shoddy tip, a shitty tip is retarded, its still a bonus for the poor service. exemplary service gets a tip, not regular service, thats your job.
obligatory tipping is stupid, does NOT lead to better service, it leads to standard service, people expect to get tipped regardless, so they dont put that little etxra in, and without that little extra, well its just plain ordinary.

[Macros]

HoosierDaddy;373991 said:

Well, if you made $2.50, or 2 euros an hour, I'm pretty sure it would be your problem that the job had shit pay.

And guess what, in parties of 8 or more, you are forced to pay a gratuity, in any restaurant that is a semblance of being nice.

missed this initially.
I'm the customer, I dont give a shit what the server earns.
Do you wear branded clothes? are you going to send a tip to india for the child who made them on 2 pence an hour?

No, the price is on the menu, when you go to a restaraunt, you're not just payiong for the food, you're paying for the food to be cooked, served to you and the dishes washed. not my fucking problem if tonto behind the bar is getting stiffed by the owner

[Macros]

ok, i realise (read, was informed) I'm being a bit of jerk, people likely see my abrasive tone as me being an asshole.
I have no problem with tipping, when fantastic service is provided a tip is fine.
My problem is solely with the misaprehension that tipping should always occur.
My problem is not with the underpaid serving staff, it is with the employers that expect their workers to work for a shit wage and get by on others gratuity. It really fucking bugs me that the "tipping culture" that america has is borne of cheap ass employers. Theres a minimum wage for a reason, i absolutely despise walking into somewhere knowing that what i see on th menu is not what i'm to pay. that fucking tax bullshit as well, here its the law to display all prices for drinks, everythign, prominently in the bar/ restauratn, where ever. no surprise costs, no being landed with a customary 10% tip.
Nothing
over 8 people? honestly, this should not matter.
The restaurant serves more food, earns more money, the customers are NOT obliged to pay the servers wages. I am sorry if my opinon offends, and i realise my usual foul language filled vitrol can do that, but its opbscene to EXPECT people to fork out more money on top of thier intended night off feed.

I'm out, i will not return to the discussion forum, my brain, fingers, mouth, whatever cannot be civilised enough to be here

[Shinrei]

Historically speaking I'm not sure that tipping has anything to do with "cheap ass employers."

And, broken record that I am, I must reiterate that I make far more money as a waiter making tips than I would if I just made minimum wage. If you came here and lobbied for "proper fare wages" in restaurants, wait staff would hate you. If I made minimum and no tips, I would be living in a dump right now and would probably have to pimp out the wife.

I realize that Britain is frigging unbelievably expensive. I couldn't afford to tip on top of what everything already costs. I spent 5 weeks there and despite being in a dormitory with no kitchen, I started going to the grocer just to get sandwich making supplies. Eating out, even at the cheapest places I could find, was just murdering my budget. And by "cheap", I mean never less than 5 bucks more than what I would pay in the States.

[Zakari39]

Well - things cost more here to ensure the server gets a decent wage.

Its a small injection of socialism to believe that an employee benefits from having a good employee, and not to rely on the customer to make that decision.

Things aren't that much more expensive here if you don't tip - why should I tip a waiter to bring me my meal with a smile (his job), and yet not tip the security guard who kept the restaurant safe all night so I could eat there? Why am I, as an Accountant not tipped? I provide a service, sometimes I even smile..

The fault of employers paying Sub-Saharan wages to serving staff is a problem that the industry and the government need to fix from the view of social justice. Why must I feel guilty that a college student or a single mum earns a pittance? They need to get a better job if they don't like it - I thought bettering ourselves was the whole point of a Capitalist existence. Whining about it and expecting the customer to cough up for average service is akin to forming a union because you're too weak to prove you deserve to earn more. This is Socialism.

I rarely tip - obviously in the UK the staff earn minimum wage or more. I was in Ottawa in May, and ate at a Deli place (monster sandwich btw!). The server went beyond the inane 'oh, you guys are from England right, do you know the Queen?' rubbish that I got in the USA, and actually offered tourism advice on the city when I told him what we'd seen so far. He got a decent tip because he went beyond his job.

Ok - Euro Rant over!

[Gothos]

the price is what I'll pay. if the service is actually good I might add something more. but forcing people to tip? oh please.
I tip the pizza delivery man if he's not late. that's about it.
if the pay is so shit, make a labor union and grab the state by the balls to set a decent minimum pay. it's not the customer's problem that you can't fight for your rights.
if you have to put in an extra on the prices to pay the service people more, please do so. just let people pay as much as they expect to pay when they read the menu.