[Skywalker]

I think Kallor need not even know Rhulad existed or what was happening on Lether. Being a Reaver in the HoC does not mean immediately being privy to every scheme of the CG's everywhere in Wu.

Note for instance that although Gethol is the CG's herald, he was never used to deliver messages to Rhulad. Or Karsa. Similarly all three of these need not be aware of what the CG was up to on Seven Cities with the Unbound and Felisin Fatter. Then there's his plan to poison Burn, which again seems to be more or less unrelated to any other plans (it was also unrelated to Pannion and that whole ball of wax).

I think the CG is a very subtle player who keeps his minions engaged in their local/ regional theatre. He has several schemes up his sleeve, each a part of the larger puzzle... we don't know yet exactly what he wants... but we will hopefully find out in TtH or DoD.

Anyway... that's my two cents.

[Sinisdar Toste]

i dont think anybody should be dismissing the CG as 'weak' per se. he is chained, his power is chained but he's still got a lot of influence due to all his little enterprises as others have said.
and anyways he is in the deck, he's deathslayer, and just because he's not part of the house doesnt mean that he isnt bound by the rules of the deck.
kallor of course is always looking for a promotion im sure so look for him as king.
also while the CG may imagine that Karsa is unwittingly working for him, karsa never does whats expected, and i believe he will most likely be a major factor in fncking the CG up in the end.

finally, how the heck did this thread get from tavore to this?

[Obdigore]

I still maintain that Ganoes's weakness is that he needs TIME to craft the card, from the powers we have been shown.

That is what I was getting at.

If he gets ambushed, or attacked by numerous people, does he have time to draw cards to defend himself? If he pulled hood to him, to defend him, would hood defend him, or would he just stand back and take Ganoes' soul when he dies?

[Aptorian]

Obdigore;224406 said:

I still maintain that Ganoes's weakness is that he needs TIME to craft the card, from the powers we have been shown.

That is what I was getting at.

If he gets ambushed, or attacked by numerous people, does he have time to draw cards to defend himself? If he pulled hood to him, to defend him, would hood defend him, or would he just stand back and take Ganoes' soul when he dies?

Perhaps the drawing of cards is just a transition period. With time, maybe if Paran gains ascendant potential, he'll be able to affect the deck and reality with thoughts alone.

[Obdigore]

Aptorian;224409 said:

Perhaps the drawing of cards is just a transition period. With time, maybe if Paran gains ascendant potential, he'll be able to affect the deck and reality with thoughts alone.

Perhaps, but as noted 'from the powers we have been shown' he needs to draw said cards. If he dosen't his power is only limited by his imagination... wouldn't that be fun.

[Aptorian]

Obdigore;224411 said:

Perhaps, but as noted 'from the powers we have been shown' he needs to draw said cards. If he dosen't his power is only limited by his imagination... wouldn't that be fun.

Sounds like a mix between Kulp and Seren.

[Obdigore]

Aptorian;224413 said:

Sounds like a mix between Kulp and Seren.

You are not imagining hard enough.

Could he imagine a whole city, concentrate on it, and make it happen?

Could he imagine apsalar head over heals for him, and whammo it happens?

Could he imagine 12 swords sticking out of the CG, and zappo!, it happens?

[Mentalist]

Well.. you know.. he has some skill with a sword... so he'l be dfending with one hand, sorting through his cards with the oter....

[Aptorian]

Obdigore;224441 said:

You are not imagining hard enough.

Could he imagine a whole city, concentrate on it, and make it happen?

Could he imagine apsalar head over heals for him, and whammo it happens?

Could he imagine 12 swords sticking out of the CG, and zappo!, it happens?

Kulp (and Quick, but really Kulp) proved you could make illusions real if they are believable and you have the strength. Serens power depends on belief. If seren believes a Illusion is real she doesn't need other to believe it's true.

The two powers used by a competent player would be as strong as any god, if not worse.

[Lisheo]

Are we suggesting that Paran has the powers of an ubergod here? Cus I dont think he does. If anything, I think he is constrained by his position, like the CG was supposed to be. He has to keep the balance now, doesnt he? Its not like he can just make anything he want happen, there'd probably be rather unpleasant consequences to that, like chaos swallowing everything or something. Tho this is all just my opinion, im not basing it on facts really, just that he hasnt made any random cards, he mainly seems to use the existing ones.

[Sinisdar Toste]

thats true, but he still wields a lot of power through those cards like being able to talk to a heck of a lot of gods/ascendants whenever he wants. i dno what else but im sure its cool

[Mentalist]

He made the Salvation card--just based on what he heard about the cult...

[Brys Beddict]

Can't really remember, but I don't think he exactly used a card when he transported himself and Quick Ben into Moon Spawn at the end of MoI. He just kinda imagined the inside of the throne room and a portal appeared for him to walk through. After blessing everyone he thought about where he wanted to go and the portal appeared again. So maybe he doesn't have to draw the cards, but does to organize his thoughts?

[ritchiediaz]

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But I don't think the CG does.

Didn't one of the last games of the deck show the CG as 'Death Slayer' (tent etc) as the opposite to Icarium's 'Life Slayer'?

Which if I recall correctly was stated as being Unaligned. So the CG is definitley in the Deck, just not in the House of Chains.

[Skywalker]

I thought Deathslayer was Karsa... especially since in RG he took out Rhulad

[Aptorian]

That wasn't what the card was saying... at the time. It was showing a guy in a tent screaming, etc.

[Sinisdar Toste]

well they were reading the titles in the borders and the tent one with the chains and screaming guy read deathslayer in the border

[Blend]

Not to mention that if you take the name literally, he slays death, which, metaphorically, is what the CG is doing to Rhulad's death. He's stopping it from happening, he's slaying it. Makes sense to me.

[thesalus]

Crazy theory - the CG is key to ending the entropy/"death of existence" spell that the KC Matrons wove.

Are any of the other gods as adept as the CG with scheming, feinting and general conniving?
The only successful ascendants native to Wu that come to mind are Shadowthrone... and that's all really. Perhaps the Errant?

[ritchiediaz]

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That wasn't what the card was saying... at the time. It was showing a guy in a tent screaming, etc.

The passage is as follows:-

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"...What's the last card"?
"Icarium's counterpoint, of sorts. Death Slayer."
"Who in the Abyss is that supposed to be? That's impossible."
A sour grunt from Fiddler, then he said, "Who?
Well, let's see. Squalid hut of skins and sticks, brazier coughing out smoke, a hooded thing inside the hut, broken limbed, shackles sunk into the earth. Now, who might that be?"

Now that is as clearly the CG as it can be, and the card was Unaligned.