[Crop]

Meh, the CG has Sent Kallor back to Jakuru, where he is now causing massive destruction. Although Iron Bars will stop him

[Blacksox]

I believe we will see Kallor playing a roll in Toll the Hounds. Genebackis is his theater.

[King_Grome]

kud13;210291 said:

Felisin Younger's cult was not wiped out at the end of BH. Paran actually planned to make a new card-Salvation to reflect the new power. According to him, the card is Unaligned, currently under the influence of the House of Chains, but he expected it to break free and eventually become one of the most powerful cards.
As for Kallor, it's possible that CG just needed an ally inside the host of his enemies on Genabackis, in order to sew discor among them. Perhaps it was a one-time use only, which is why we haven't seen Kallor since...I mean, exactly what does a Reaver do anyways?

the Huh of the what now? Where is this mentioned?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Which point are you asking about?

[Lisheo]

The Reaver seems to be taking a similar position to soldier in the other houses doesnt it? So, if its anything like the others, its probably fairly disposable. I mean, lets face it, Kallors handy, but hes not on the same level as Anomander, or Brood, or Silchas, or Iccy, or even Whiskeyjack. Hes just very, very old. But, as Iskaral Pust remarks, longevity doesnt grant wisdom...

[Flawed]

I get the question but how about thinking along these lines:

If the CG places Kallor within a situation or area ( lets say some distant empire ) that will eventually do something to thwart the CG's master plan, then by placing Kallor there to integrate himself and become the leader of the cause then it would fail and no longer be of a consequence to the CG.

If the CG uses him for himself then its hard to understand as Kallors is cursed and all that he will ever do will come to naught.

But if the CG has Kallor working for his enemy against the CG then that would be a different perspective.

Personally i would just kick Kallor in the nadgers. Have done with it.

[Zanth13]

I think the whole come fail part of the curse is being given a little to much credit, the whole Ill you try to aclomplish will turn to dust doesnt necessarily meen that anything he does he will fail at, eventually it will amount to nothing, which is true of everyone and everthing.

not to mention the other curses seem to be failing finally so for all we know so will the one on Kallor.

Kallor can still be usefull, he took out whisky,

[Flawed]

xanth13;210803 said:

Kallor can still be usefull, he took out whisky,

Only due to the Hoods nudge

[Zanth13]

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Only due to the Hoods nudge

Erroneous, erroneous on both accounts... wait... you only had one uh count.
Dead is dead, and it was a sword in the chest that did it.

Hood? did I skip that part? Dont remember that being mentioned.

I figured good timing on Kallors part, bad judgement on Whisky's part (bum leg) and maybe some nudging by the CG.

[ShadowOwl]

It is mentioned in one of the other threads, it was definitely Hood who kept Whiskeyjack from letting Mallet heal his leg, but making him think he was too busy. Hood was getting back at WJ for taking his sister, who was dedicated to Hood as a baby, out of the Hood's temple.

[Blacksox]

I am sure once Dragnipur is shattered and Draconis is realesed the curse on Kallor will fail as well.

And if/when Kallor ascends he will be a major bad-ass IMO. Or he will just shrivel up and die. I can hear the CG laughing now.

[Abyss]

Point being with a handy power-up, Kallor took out Tayshrenn, Korlat, Whiskeyjack and almostSilverfox. He ruined Malazan morale even before the lizards started hitting them. And he's got a HUGE history of military success.

Plus, no one has mentioned this yet afaik: Indirectly, Kallor is responsible for the Fall - it was to oppose him that the mages yanked the CG out of his home realm. OF COURSE the CG wants his service. Either revenge or irony is at work.


- Abyss, fan of ironic revenge and/or vengeful irony.

[Rowan Redwing]

Kallor makes sense as a servant to the CG. Elder god's cursed Kallor, elder gods were part of the CG's numerous chainings, as well as ascendants. Both would have a vendetta against the same targets...

[Lisheo]

I suppose so, but Kallor isnt really a good ally to have. Hes emotionless, and he doesnt take well to being ordered around. I think hell eventually try to oppose the CG himself, maybe wrest the title of King In Chains away from the CG.

[Mentalist]

hmmm.. as far as i gathered, CG has no position in his house. This was discussed before--he set his house adrift in the world. King in chains, untill recently, was played by Rhulad. As of right now, that place is vacant. Kallor may try to grab it in tTH, but right now he's still the Reaver

[lessthanpleased]

I don't post here much, so forgive me if someone's already advocated this theory.

Like others in this thread, I think that the Crippled God chose Kallor because he can never achieve what he wants; Kallor wants to ascend, but cannot because of the curse. He's the example par excellence of the House of Chains.

More importantly, I think Kallor's inevitable betrayal of the House makes him ideal to the CG. The only way that the CG's fight matters is if he reaffirms the very thing that makes his House different than the others.

The CG can't win and remain true to the concept he embodies: dissolution of order. So, if the CG wins and destroys Burn, he doesn't really win anything at all. He is actually acting decidedly outside the archetype of imperfection. Because destroying everything imposes a great deal of order onto the universe, and nonexistence is just about as pure as a concept can conceivably be.

The CG is anything other than pure.

So I think the CG is setting himself up for an epic failure, and Kallor's nature is going to be crucial to that actually occurring; the one thing that the CG can bet on is that Kallor's obsession will cause him to turn on his master. The ties that bind them together are imperfect and built upon something that can never occur (Kallor ascending as the King In Chains). At some point, Kallor's going to be true to his role as Reaver and lay waste to everything around him.

And that's a good thing. Because it's in the CG's plan failing on an epic scale that the CG wins everything. I'll paraphrase a quote from RG: "A god in pain isn't the same thing as an evil god." For the CG to actually be true to whatever it is that this reality has shaped him into, he has to be on the verge of winning everything and then fail, because of the contradiction embedded in his essential nature. In losing, he proves the absolute truth embodied in the House of Chains.

The House of Chains strikes me as being aspected towards perversion and disintegration: that's why- instead of a Soldier- Kallor is a Reaver, just as instead of a Magus the House of Chains has a Fool. All of the archetypes I've seen listed as being present in the House of Chains are twisted images of something that is permanent.

So it's significant that Kallor is the Reaver instead of the Soldier. A soldier does his job (just like the Bridgeburners and the Bonehunters); a reaver kills indiscriminately and generally destroys whatever he was fighting for in the first place.

Kallor's going to betray the CG. Or, alternatively, Kallor will allow his desires to get in the way of destroying Burn and cause the CG to fail. In so doing, the CG protects the concepts behind his House. He'll make winning for the protagonists just as terrible as losing would be, but in a different way.

Just my pet theory. Apologies if someone else has said much the same thing elsewhere.

[Gem Windcaster]

To me anything that the CG does is a mystery. And I doubt he can/does think with any sort of sane rationality - mainly because he's in such a pain all the time. I doubt he cares for anyone he enlists. He wants revenge. Like psychopaths that wants to cut people because their mother was mean to them. Meaning he wants to be mean to anyone on the rotten planet he was dragged down to. He's just a twisted thing that has lots and lots of power. And he's insane. Why did he enlist Kallor? Revenge. It's all about revenge. And he's using him plain and simple for that purpose only.

[Onrack the breakable]

Kallor has always been a mystery. But there may be alot more to him if you consider.

He may be more or less mortal but he doesn't seem to feel pain (like most of the superhuman characters in these books of course) but its possible Kallor is even more than that. I think its possible that Kallor is the incarnation of death (whether he has anything to do with Hood or not is another subject)

But consider, Kallor commits genocide and is "cursed" to be virtually immortal thereafter but it seems despite being cursed by 3 elder gods, he is still up to his old tricks while the elder gods who cursed him are either dead or dying horribly.

And we see that in Starvald Demelain that all the dragons appear to have been exterminated (perhaps Kallor was a dragon originally, who knows), but perhaps even more dire everything that ever lived will be killed by Kallor eventually, if not physically then spiritually when he shatters their spirits into worms and bugs using some superduper kryptonite, until all memories and identity are gone and Kallor is the only being left in the entire universe.

But Kallors worst failing is that he has no sense of humor. Or at least none that we've seen yet.

[Shurque's biatch]

Onrack the breakable;211593 said:

But Kallors worst failing is that he has no sense of humor. Or at least none that we've seen yet.

I can see it now, the final battle between good and evil (realigned in Malaz terms as with and without a sense of humor) between Quick and Kallor.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Kallor is definitely a human. Reread the MoI prologue if you aren't sure.