[James Hetfield]

IIRC the Gods cursed Kallor so that he would, basically, never amount to anything and everything he does turns to shit.
So, why would the CG want someone who is doomed to fail on his team?
Is he not aware of the curse?
Wasn't the CG called into Wu because of Kallor in the first place? Why would he want to help Kallor or vice versa?
You could make the argument that the curse had been lifted, cause of the happenings with the the EG's, but if that is the case then what is crippled about Kallor that would have the CG want him. Does not the CG only want people with disfigurements or diseases?

Sorry, lots of questions, but it has been bothering me for a while. It could be that the CG does not *require* flaws.

[Gimli's love child]

Curse to never ascend = Flaw

[cerveza_fiesta]

cursed to be old and rickety forever...man, that would suck

[cerveza_fiesta]

also, I think CG is keeping kallor around for the inevitable return of whiskeyjack, where he and kallor duke it out in *the* rematch of the malazan series.

[Tarsonis]

Yeah I can't help but wish Whiskeyjack to return. It would be about the most predictable thing to happen in the series (if it happened ) but I suppose I just had a soft spot for him in general and the developments with Korlat.

But indeed Kallor is a bit too "flawed" for me to invite him in if I was the Crippled God. But perhaps he doesn't expect Kallor to remain long anyway - he seems really good at discarding those he's used. Also I imagine that among ascendants, or near-ascendants (as Kallor can't ascend) he can't be super picky.

[Illuyankas]

See, the Crippled God is the God of Fail, so the High King of Fail would only be fitting.

[Trotts]

Kallor is a cunning and intelligent person. He is a fairly ancient figure with a lot of accumulated knowledge, which would be useful to the CG. Sure hes bound to fail, but that just means you dont make him the keystone, you make him an expendable wild card.

[Lisheo]

Hes kinda like those scientists in bad action movies: Hes gonna keep the CG up to date on whats going on for a while. And then get shot. Hopefully by Fidd's cusser lobber.

[Tremolo]

You can always depend on Kallor being a scheming, plotting bastard - but a clever one at that. So he is a valuable asset who can be used to keep the enemy busy.

[Crow Clan Baby]

I've always viewed Kallor as too much of a loose cannon. You never know what he's going to do next, and he's liable to switch alliegances and objectives at any moment.

The obvious answer is that the CG is plain old-fashioned barking mad.

[ShadowOwl]

If your life had been destroyed as a result of the actions of someone and you had a chance to then have that someone work for you as an underling, what would you do? CG could get revenge on K while using K's desire to get revenge on others and what a tangled web we weave........

[cerveza_fiesta]

Illuyankas;209994 said:

See, the Crippled God is the God of Fail, so the High King of Fail would only be fitting.

I dunno if Kallor is a failure per se. Murderous empire-destroying fanatical near-ascended tyrant sure, but he's *cursed* by other gods not to ascend, otherwise he'd probly succeed at that too.

List of Kallor's successes

1-Became an immensely powerful emperor of a large populace during his original lifetime
2-Killed his entire populace and scorched a continent because he didn't want to lose them to some meddling elder gods
3-Successfully Cursed said elder gods to fade away
4-Killed the most lovable character in the malazan series to date
5-Hasn't gone crazy from being immortal
6-Has become tight with one of the most powerful beings in the malazan world (caladan brood)

List of Kallor's Failures

...

byaaaah!

[Dolorous Menhir]

Kallor failed to save his Empire from the Elder Gods.

Kallor failed to kill Silverfox.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Dolorous Menhir;210262 said:

Kallor failed to save his Empire from the Elder Gods.

Kallor failed to kill Silverfox.

touche. Still 6 wins / 2 losses. He'd still get in the playoffs with that.


Seriously though, I would think the reason CG wants Kally working with him has to do with Kallor's experience with mortals. Essentially being an immortal (through those elixirs he uses) living among mortals for such a long time, he's learned a lot about the way they operate. It seems a pretty common theme in the Malazan books that the gods get screwed up when they try to deal with unpredictable, shortsighted, fickle mortals...so maybe CG is trying to get a leg-up on the competition from the other gods.

Kallor also seems to be a pretty supremo millitary commander, and is arguably flawed, so I was thinking he might get sent to 7cities continent to help build an army with the CG's wierdo new empire that's headed up by Felisin Younger.

Btw, what happened to that new crippled empire, did the 14th take it out at the end of BH? I forget

[Lancelot]

And it's Kallors Soul/personality that is fundamentaly flawed.

[Zanth13]

Well Kallor has a wealth of knowledge.... If he is good enough for Caladan Brood(his enemy) to use, then the CG figures why not him.

Not to mention by getting Kallor on his side he hurt his enemies ie whiskyjack, caladan brood, BBs, Rake...

It was a win win situation for CG

[Mentalist]

Felisin Younger's cult was not wiped out at the end of BH. Paran actually planned to make a new card-Salvation to reflect the new power. According to him, the card is Unaligned, currently under the influence of the House of Chains, but he expected it to break free and eventually become one of the most powerful cards.
As for Kallor, it's possible that CG just needed an ally inside the host of his enemies on Genabackis, in order to sew discor among them. Perhaps it was a one-time use only, which is why we haven't seen Kallor since...I mean, exactly what does a Reaver do anyways?

[Shurque's biatch]

kud13;210291 said:

Felisin Younger's cult was not wiped out at the end of BH. Paran actually planned to make a new card-Salvation to reflect the new power. According to him, the card is Unaligned, currently under the influence of the House of Chains, but he expected it to break free and eventually become one of the most powerful cards.
As for Kallor, it's possible that CG just needed an ally inside the host of his enemies on Genabackis, in order to sew discor among them. Perhaps it was a one-time use only, which is why we haven't seen Kallor since...I mean, exactly what does a Reaver do anyways?

I think that we will see Kallor leading the next contigent of the CG's hoard on Assail or someplace.

He doesn't see quite that disposable...yet.

[Dolorous Menhir]

kud13;210291 said:

I mean, exactly what does a Reaver do anyways?

From an online dictionary:

Quote

reave 1 (rv)
v. reaved or reft (rft), reav·ing, reaves Archaic
v.tr.
1. To seize and carry off forcibly.
2. To deprive (one) of something; bereave.
v.intr.
To rob, plunder, or pillage.
[Middle English reven, to plunder, from Old English rafian; see reup- in Indo-European roots.]

[Mentalist]

Thank.
Hmm... crazy theory:
CG sends Kallor to incognito lead the Malazan crusade against the Wickans to cause chaos on the until-now untouched continent of Quon Tali