[amphibian]

Zanth13, on 10 August 2010 - 01:28 AM, said:

I just dont want to see instant rematches to stay as common as they are now, UFC has a deep talent pool and they need to work on promoting more up in comers and giving people there shot at tough fights.

I agree with you. There's a lot of discussion about how the big MMA organizations are really borrowing from pro wrestling's bag of tricks and tactics to grow their sports. On one hand, it sells well, but I really like the competitive athletics and skill part of it more than the personal grudges, hype/trash talk talk or ratings appeal. What happens if you overuse the rematches and established stars, while failing to develop younger talent? After a certain point, the organization and the sport as a whole loses its relevance, as they're going round in circles.

I realize boxing and wrestling have relied on these tactics for years, but honestly, they've been eclipsed by the NFL, MLB and NBA (potentially the NHL as well) as prime destinations for physically gifted athletes and audience eyeballs and audience wallets. Once the MMA organizations get to a certain point, I'd really like to see White step down or become much more professional in running his organization, while other organizations do the same and in particular, the states getting their commissions to respectable levels of professionalism and competence.

NY needs to legalize MMA bouts. This is ridiculous. An MSG show would be enormous, as everyone from Jersey, Philly, Connecticut, Rhode Island and some Massachusetts people would come in with the natives for that show.

This post has been edited by amphibian: 12 August 2010 - 01:23 AM

[Zanth13]

yeah they could deff promote some fighters better, it seems like every card im finding a new fighter I havent heard about and then to a search on the record and its like there 2-3rd fight in UFC, and I am more than your average watcher, I live this stuff

[Coco with marshmallows]

So gents, as others have mentioned in this thread, I find this to be one of the most reasonable and level headed places to discuss MMA.

So, Toney - Couture. Thoughts?

Personally, considering that Randy has always had a bit of a glass jaw, I could see Toney winning this.

I don't particularly want him to however. I want Randy to take him down and school him, and thoroughly dominate him.

It'll be interesting to see the fall out regardless, but as it stands, in PR terms, this is win-win for boxing I think.

If Toney wins, boxing can comfortably point out that they've easily beaten a former champ.
If Couture wins, boxing can safely point to the years of experience in mma that Couture has as a reason for dominance, compared to, what, 6 months training for Toney?

but that's just my 0.02 worth. What's yours?

[Zanth13]

Well Couture can be hurt but he is great at recovering, him and Matt Hughes have this uncanny way of getting just about KOed and still taking there opponent down...

I kind of want to see Toney do good, because he is/was one of the best fighters around and I hope he took this serious and can reflect that,

Now i am a huge Couture fan and want him to win, but I want to see a good fight, sadly i think it will go similar to Couture VS Coleman, maybe even faster

[Bonesaw85]

Gonna be another awesome WEC card tonight, can't wait.


I got Jorgenson, Mendes and Cruz winning. Not sure about Roller/Showtime

This post has been edited by Bonesaw85: 18 August 2010 - 06:33 AM

[Zanth13]

Great great great fights last night like usual....

only one boring-ish fight

Anthony Pettis is awesome, I see him going far in the sport, hopefully he can jump up to UFC, took out a good wrestler, pretty good test for him,
dude has awesome standup and amazing jitz...

[amphibian]

That Mendes-Swanson fight was terrible. Otherwise, the WEC rocked, as usual.

I was surprised Roller looked like such a bag of shit. He gassed badly by the beginning of the third, displayed bad technique on the ground and just wasn't in this fight from the beginning. Pettis did well, but Roller shouldn't be that bad.

Cruz's footwork is so funky. I like it, but wish he'd shift into orthodox a bit more to put more power on some of his shots - especially against such a short dude like Benavidez. Cruz won all five rounds in my view.

I missed the Bellator fights, but I'm not surprised Konrad's fight was boring as heck. He's carrying the same tactics over from college wrestling and won't get into true shape to make himself more active.

[Zanth13]

I really thought Cruz would use his reach more by throwing a lot more jabs... he could have kept Benavidez at bay easier...

good fight though,

I really dont see Manny Gamburyan giving Jose Aldo a good fight, its a weird match up, but hey he does hit hard and its MMA, anything can happen...
(but i see him getting destroyed honestly)

[amphibian]

Zanth13, on 20 August 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

I really thought Cruz would use his reach more by throwing a lot more jabs... he could have kept Benavidez at bay easier...

Cruz doesn't use the classical jab much. He kind of runs through while punching. It's so weird to describe and see.

[Zanth13]

The worse reffing i have ever seen on the strikeforce card, and it was in Texas, sad, Jorge Gurgel was robbed, full on out hit hard with a hook after the bell and KOed, just jacked up, ref doesnt say anything, gets up wobly falls down continues for the 2nd, gets put down (of course he just go KOed after the bell) and then gets knee/kicked in the head while done before getting the fight called (in favor of the KJ noons, the guy who just used 2 illegal moves)

what should have happened with a ref worthy of the tit.e

Best case: Hook is deemed accidental and fight is a No Contest, no loss for either fighter... (Noons was getting hit by Gurgel, the bell rang, Gurgel stopped and Noons came up with a hard hard hard hook right on the chin and knocked down and stiff, tried to get up and was fell again)

Otherwise: KJ should have been given a DQ loss after the hook or after the illegal knee/kick to a downed fighter.

that ref should be fired, and fined, and banned,

and I was a fan of Noons before that, really enjoyed watching him fight, now, i think i want to see him get jacked up...and its only partially his fault

on a side note

the the dude who reffed my brothers first fight was on tv, its about the 3rd or 4th time i have seen him on live television

[amphibian]

Zanth13, on 25 August 2010 - 03:48 AM, said:

The worse reffing i have ever seen on the strikeforce card, and it was in Texas, sad, Jorge Gurgel was robbed, full on out hit hard with a hook after the bell and KOed, just jacked up, ref doesnt say anything, gets up wobly falls down continues for the 2nd, gets put down (of course he just go KOed after the bell) and then gets knee/kicked in the head while done before getting the fight called (in favor of the KJ noons, the guy who just used 2 illegal moves)

what should have happened with a ref worthy of the tit.e

Best case: Hook is deemed accidental and fight is a No Contest, no loss for either fighter... (Noons was getting hit by Gurgel, the bell rang, Gurgel stopped and Noons came up with a hard hard hard hook right on the chin and knocked down and stiff, tried to get up and was fell again)

Otherwise: KJ should have been given a DQ loss after the hook or after the illegal knee/kick to a downed fighter.

I agree that referee was bad - but the one who stood Bobby Lashley up from mount and restarted them standing was even worse. That was the second worst stand-up I've ever seen from a referee (a Russian fight had a referee stand the fight up when a fighter had the other's back with both hooks in and a just let go seatbelt).

I still haven't seen the Jacare-Kennedy fight, but King Mo losing like that was a shocker. He went out like a true warrior though, grabbing for the leg and working the entire time. Feijao recovered well from losing the first two rounds to finally clocking Mo with the knee.

Quote

and I was a fan of Noons before that, really enjoyed watching him fight, now, i think i want to see him get jacked up...and its only partially his fault

Noons is fighting Diaz at 170 in an upcoming event. He will get jacked up.

[Zanth13]

Awesome, I want Diaz to finish him with a Gogoplata,

I watched the Jacare / Kennedy fight and honestly i felt like Kennedy should have won, it was a good and close fight but i think that Jacare's fame got him the W...a UD for Jacare was surprising to me

Bobbly Lashley looked unimpressive, just a wrestler trying to wrestle, got jacked up finally, he wasnt in shape for this fight,

King Mo had some hard body shots and actually looked good until that that 3rd round, man he got hit hard, now he is out for 9 months or something for his knees,

fucking wrestlers, the hardest opponents, even knocked silly they look for that take down, its incredible how it just gets bred into them ala Hughes, Cain V. and Couture, it was a good stopage though he was getting nailed hard with the elbows

Werdum is out for the year, so Fedor and Overeem prob wont fight again in strikeforce this year (bs)

on a side note, my brother's next fight is against someone out of shane rollers camp... fucking wrestlers lol... been working our fucking sprawls .... Team Takedown... wtf...

This post has been edited by Zanth13: 25 August 2010 - 05:14 AM

[Bonesaw85]

Yes, that was a BAD night for strikeforce.



Here's my UFC 118 quick picks


Maia - late submission or decision

Diaz - decision or stoppage from cuts

Florian or Maynard...???? Not too sure about this fight. If Gray goes back to his wrestling roots, he should be able to get the decision. If it stays standing, I give the speed and technique advantage to Florian, but I think Maynard has more power.

Couture - As long as Couture doesn't try to trade any punches with Toney, Coutures got this in the bag. I think he'll throw some leg kicks at first, then double leg, then GnP and submission attempst. I think Couture will finish him in the second or third round. I give Toney less than a 10% chance of clipping Randy standing.

For the main event, my heart says Frankie, but my head says BJ. Edgar had the right gameplan for the first fight and executed it perfectly. BJ looked all too passive throughout the fight, and looked gassed bad afterwards. I hate BJ but have to admit it looked like there was something wrong. I think BJ's gonna storm the gates with punches and try to put Edgar away quick. If that doesn't work in the first 2 rounds I see him going for the takedown and trying to submit him.

Unfortunately, I think BJ finishes this fight within the time limit.





Should be a good night of fights. And if not, doesn't matter cause i'm getting drunk as fuck........... As usual

[Zanth13]

Holy Shit,

Frankie Edgard, did the same thing last time, only better,
man he did it,

good for him, huge bj fan, but Frankie did his job by times ten

Edit: fix drunken rambling,

Also at diaz looked great, good fight,

Toney went as i expected but not as i hoped,

This post has been edited by Zanth13: 29 August 2010 - 04:59 PM

[Bonesaw85]

Damn, saturday night turned out exactly how I was hoping it would.

I wonder whats next for BJ now. Wouldn't be surprised if we where to talk about retirement.......


And damn, Nate had Marcus out for quite a bit before the ref realized it. The face of death he had on him was disturbing and kind of funny looking.

[amphibian]

You guys may have missed it, but Maia had the best fight of the night. His trips are works of art and he dominated every phase of the fight - including the stand-up. Miranda is no slouch and it took a heck of a lot of energy to hold him down that long, but Maia had him beat the entire time.

So disappointed in Penn. He's one of the nastiest human beings to ever walk the earth and he can't be assed to keep himself in excellent fighting trim for 10 years? There's idiots now questioning the fact that he's a legend in the sport, that he never had true greatness and that he's overrated. Ugh.

Nate Diaz fought alright, but still relies on his chin too much. I think his brother has the much higher ceiling - although I'd like to see Nick at 185 instead of 170.

Joe Lauzon stomped Ruedinger. Pure out and out stomping.

[Bonesaw85]

I was drunk as fuck for the fights, I remember every fight but the Maia-Miranda fight for some reason.

Will have to rewatch that one.



And i'm dissapointed in Florian. I thought he was going to put up a better fight than that. God I hope Gray doesn't beat Frankie again, but i can see it happening.

This post has been edited by Bonesaw85: 31 August 2010 - 02:49 AM

[Zanth13]

Maia-Miranda was a great fight and Maia is honestly one of my favorite fighters period..., many people thought it boring but i loved it, its so much more fun to see a BJJ elite doing his thing on the ground than a wrestler,

I was disappointed he wasnt able to get the finish because he came close a few times, but not being able to get a finish doesnt take away from a performance, at that level subbing people really should be hard and even have a certain amount of luck involved (a la fedor)

so I agree 100 % about that fight, it was a lot of fun, and I am glad Maia was able to get back in the win column after that hideous fight with A.Silva.

[amphibian]

Zanth13, on 31 August 2010 - 04:06 AM, said:

Maia-Miranda was a great fight and Maia is honestly one of my favorite fighters period..., many people thought it boring but i loved it, its so much more fun to see a BJJ elite doing his thing on the ground than a wrestler,

I was disappointed he wasnt able to get the finish because he came close a few times, but not being able to get a finish doesnt take away from a performance, at that level subbing people really should be hard and even have a certain amount of luck involved (a la fedor)

so I agree 100 % about that fight, it was a lot of fun, and I am glad Maia was able to get back in the win column after that hideous fight with A.Silva.

Miranda's a good black belt. There's levels of competence even at the black belt level and Miranda's on the higher end. Maia's world champion elite level, but it's still very tough to for an elite to submit a good BJJ player within the 5 minute confines of a round. Most BJJ black belt matches go 15 minutes or longer.

I have no doubt that Maia would indeed submit Miranda in a 15 minute BJJ match, even no-gi, but it'd come a lot faster in a gi.

This post has been edited by amphibian: 31 August 2010 - 03:17 PM

[Bonesaw85]

Just rewatched Maia -Miranda...... Very good technical ground fight. Nice takedowns, positioning and control from Maia throught the fight. Was impressed that Miranda was able to escape both those armbar attempts, especially the one at the end of the fight.

the one thing I don't get was Rogan saying maia was supposed to control Mirandas legs with his right arm....... Is he supposed to secure the arm and try to armbar him with one fucking arm?