[jwolfbro]

:lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: yeah that was a great part.

question for you guys. in DG Karsa (Toblakai) is introduced by Leoman as 18 years old. Yet in HoC we are told he is just over 80 yrs. A child still by Teblor standards but definitely not simply 18. what gives?:confused: :confused:

[Gem Windcaster]

jwolfbro said:

:lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: yeah that was a great part.

question for you guys. in DG Karsa (Toblakai) is introduced by Leoman as 18 years old. Yet in HoC we are told he is just over 80 yrs. A child still by Teblor standards but definitely not simply 18. what gives?:confused: :confused:

It was never stated that Karsa was 80 years old - he was only 18. Though 80 would still be young for a Teblor.

[kaf09]

jwolfbro;105726 said:

:lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: :lachen70: yeah that was a great part.

question for you guys. in DG Karsa (Toblakai) is introduced by Leoman as 18 years old. Yet in HoC we are told he is just over 80 yrs. A child still by Teblor standards but definitely not simply 18. what gives?:confused: :confused:

There's a couple of old threads on this, not that I am looking for one. I think the discrepancy is simply a mistake on SE's part. An 18 year old Teblor would be merely a stripling, given what we have learnt in HoC. When DG was written, the chronology of HoC was not yet mature. With a series packed with so much detail and written over so many years (+10?) I think we are going to find a lot more of these sorts of errors - I am not blaming SE, mind you he paid a backhanded compliment to Esslemont recently, about him being able to get the timeline right.

[Red_orbiT]

Gem Windcaster;105732 said:

It was never stated that Karsa was 80 years old - he was only 18. Though 80 would still be young for a Teblor.

Well, actually:
"And I have but just begun on this path. Newly arrived to my eightieth year of life, finally a warrior in truth.

HoC, page 35 in the first chapter, Karsa thinking to himself.

My theory is that Leoman hadn't really thought much about it(I find it hard to imagine Leoman asking Karsa about his age...) and just assumed that Karsa was young. Or something. Eightieth and eighteen is pretty similar in script too, so Erikson could just have got it wrong... or it oculd be part of eriksons evil plot to keep us unaware that Karsa=Toblakai until karsa arrives in raraku in HoC.
Or something:confused:

[Gem Windcaster]

Red_orbiT said:

Well, actually:
"And I have but just begun on this path. Newly arrived to my eightieth year of life, finally a warrior in truth.

HoC, page 35 in the first chapter, Karsa thinking to himself.

My theory is that Leoman hadn't really thought much about it(I find it hard to imagine Leoman asking Karsa about his age...) and just assumed that Karsa was young. Or something. Eightieth and eighteen is pretty similar in script too, so Erikson could just have got it wrong... or it oculd be part of eriksons evil plot to keep us unaware that Karsa=Toblakai until karsa arrives in raraku in HoC.
Or something:confused:

OMG :eek: I totally misread that! That is so embarrasng

Oh well, I'm shutting my mouth for awhile... :lachen70:

[Folken]

or it could just be that having a bodyguard that is 18years old is more appealing to Shaikh than having one that is 80;)

[Tattooed Hand]

I thought it was like dog years - 18 human years equal 80 Teblor years. Because you totally get the sense of some young male punkass setting out to party and get rowdy, or in Teblor terms, rape and kill. An 18 year old Teblor would barely be potty trained. I wonder if we ever get to see any Teblor infants. Can you imagine?

[jwolfbro]

well I feel better now. I wasn't imagining things I think Leoman was just putting it in terms that could be understood. As 80 for a Teblor is about 18 for a human I can see the confusion. or maybe a typo. at least I wasn't the only one that saw it

[Aptorian]

Tattooed Hand;105746 said:

I wonder if we ever get to see any Teblor infants. Can you imagine?

In the HoC there is a quote made by one of the three from the raiding party. Something in the lines of teblor kids being the size of "children" making them something in the lines of 4-6 feet, said in another way... thats some dangerous toddlers.

... with little bloodtoothpics to boot

[Gem Windcaster]

Jen said:

or it could just be that having a bodyguard that is 18years old is more appealing to Shaikh than having one that is 80;)

Yes, probably

And I agree with the 80 being like 18 thing...

[Dolorous Menhir]

I agree with Hetan, I think Karsa is really 80 human years old. I can't think of any legitimate reason why the Teblor would have a different definition of "year" from the human civilisation only a few miles away from them.

Just as the Teblor are much larger than humans, they are much much longer lived.

Counterpoint: Leoman said Karsa was a teenager in DG, I forget the exact age but he said something to the effect of "a trophy for every year" looking at his belt of ears. I think this is not consistent with later books, it's a DG-ism if you will. Either that, or Karsa told Leoman he was a "Teblor youth" or something along those lines, and Leoman took that to mean he was of an age with human youths.

Proof: Teblor lifespans are much longer than human ones. Within the lifetime of Karsa's grandfather (Pahlk?) the human civilisation neighbouring the Teblor rose from a farm to a major city. When Karsa went back there, Pahlk's visit was distant history, outside the living memory of the human inhabitants.

I think Karsa is really 80 years old, and a Teblor year and a human year are one and the same.

[tiam]

yeh Karsa says that hes reached adulthood in his eighteith year of life so it fits. I think PAhlk was like 400 or thats like the normal age. When Karsa looks at those mages is kills in the plateau (?) he says there faces are like a teblors after centuries of life. So likely they can live 500 plus years

[Brys Beddict]

Karsa's a great character. He matured a lot through the course of HoC and BH. He even admits that his father was right at one point. (can't remember where though)

[philospher77]

Here's a question to those of you who like Karsa: Do you think he is still a member of the House of Chains? Why or why not?

It's clear (to me) that he is still holding the position of the Knight of Chains, which is major points against him in my opinion. However, I could be wrong, and wonder what other people think.

[Lister of Smeg]

I'm pretty sure he does still hold that title. But it shouldn't really be held against him. He was given the title without his consent, and he doesn't want it. He certainly isn't interested in being the Knight of HHC. He just wants to do his own thing.

[Kallor]

inspired

[Aptorian]

Kallor;107744 said:

inspired

Now what was that suppose to mean? Another leak from RG?