[tiam]

the warrens. from all the warrens weve got some have been unaccounted for as unaspected or asepected to a god but not for mortal use. (like feners warren cannot be cahnneleed as far as we know) any way has ne1 linked each warren to a god.

Ruse-nerruse
Driss- QOD (real name triss simialr sounding also some one says leoman escaped into the warren of driss when he left with the QOD.
Tennes- burns warren most likely brood in MOI says sumthing about it.

Nemore ive missed?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Tiam, please, proof-read your posts.

Especially if it's a whole new thread. Seriously, I'm not a grammar nazi, it's just genuinely hard to understand what you are saying.

Hood - Hood's Path
Meanas/Rashan - you could make a case for Shadowthrone here
Ruse - Mael (though you would expect Mael to more related to the unknown Elder parent of Ruse)
Serc - Osserc
Kurald Thyrllan - Also Osserc? Father Light?
Kurald Galain & Starvald Demelain - K'rul (twin chambers of his heart), Rake, Mother Dark
Fener's Reve - Fener (maybe Treach now), I consider this an independent warren like Hood's
Beast Hold - Togg & Fanderay
Omtose Phellack - interesting question, do/did the Jaghut have gods? are there two dragons for the OP?
Tellan - Imass gods, dead and gone, now Olar Ethil (as Tellan-aspected dragon)
D'riss - not convinced about link to Queen of Dreams, remember Mammot was a priest of D'rek and a user of D'riss, no?
Telas - only known user a (maybe) once-priest of D'rek

Not concrete associations, just throwing things out there.

[Morgoth]

I truly see no connection between D'riss and the QoD.. D'riss is the path of stone, is it not? Stone and earth or something.. Hardly an obvious connection to the QoD who is the Queen of HHL and seemingly the god of divination.

[Whelp]

Morgoth:
D'riss-QoD connection: Cotillion names QoD T'riss, imho that's why Tiam assigned that Warren to her.
Could it be that QoD has a link to Ruse/Elder Warren of Sea? What Mael said about that in the MT prologue sounded suspiciously like divination...

Dolorous Menhir:
Imho Treach has a separate Warren, not related to Fener - or maybe they both have aspects of the Warren of War (not that such a thing is ever mentioned).

Tennes - Burn, definitely (also maybe D'riss?)
Omtose Phellack - Gothos, maybe. He certainly is potent enough.

Imho, Telas and D'riss could fall under the influence of D'rek as well (with D'riss being "contested")

[Whelp]

Daemon:
No, I do not think you missed anything.
It was just an idea, really - like FrenchyFan said, he's got everything an Ascendant requires, plus, he has been a willing resident of the Azath for countless millenia.

[Tes'thesula]

Is Gethol an ascendant? I know his holds a pretty permenant posistion in a House, but is there any other evidence to suggest this?

[Whelp]

Danyah:
Gethol is "only" Herald of Death, then Herald of Chains, isn't he?

[Dolorous Menhir]

I don't think it makes sense to speak of Jaghut as ascended or not. Gothos is just a really powerful Jaghut, Gethol somewhat less so. Ascension is more of a human (or other younger race) phenomenon in my mind.

And has been demonstrated elsewhere, Gethol's positions in the Deck have no bearing on whether he is an ascendant or not - being in the Deck has no relation to whether you are an ascendant.

[Cedeos]

I do not think that every warren necessarily has a god linked to it. So Omtose Phellack is probably such a warren.
Are Togg and Fandaray not somehow connected to the Tellan warren? I thought they made it their realm at the end of MoI. Can err with that.

[Asandir]

Whelp said:

Omtose Phellack - Gothos, maybe. He certainly is potent enough.

Omtose Phellack is not aspected to any God that we know of.
The Jaghut warren comes from The Hold of Ice due to the Jaghut making it theirs. Perhaps there might be some dragon out there the same way there's Silannah and Olar Ethil - Tellan fom Kurald Thryllan or Liosan or whichever one its taken from.

[Whelp]

Dolorous Menhir said:

Ascension is more of a human (or other younger race) phenomenon in my mind.

Define younger . If I remember correctly, Anomander Rake is listed/mentioned as an Ascendant, and he would not be considered young, imho.

[Cedeos]

And many do believe, some will disagree here, that Hood is also a Jaghut. And Hood definitely is a god/ascendant.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I think there are two meanings to ascendant

1. in the earlier books, the terms god & ascendant are used interchangably - referring even the people like K'rul and Rake, who were never "non-ascendant", if you get what I mean. so it means something similar to "god".

2. other meaning - humans who have ascended, eg Shadowthrone. not strictly the same as a god, Caladan Brood and (perhaps in the future Gesler and Stormy) are examples of this.

I don't think SE refers to entities like K'rul as ascendant by the time he writes BH, he seems to have become more strict in his definitions.

I don't think it means anything to say Gothos is an ascendant in the sense of the second definition. I don't think Jaghut go through the same process of ascension as, say, Apsalar. Gothos was just always that powerful.

[Whelp]

Dolorous Menhir:
Ok, I get you point now, and I agree.

[Cedeos]

Ok, absolutely makes sense. Always wondered about the distinction SE Erikson makes with his gods and his "ascended gods". Helps me a little. Thx, Dolorous Menhir.