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#1 tiam

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:44 PM

did ne1 get the impressiion that in BH that armies just seemed to attach themsleves to the malazans in the most unlikely situaltions.

1. perish-some obscure region of a PACIFIED 7c that 13000 veterans just stroll out of.

2. mathk joining paran- so random. they have nothing left to fight for. surley mathok would attack paran in a last defence of 7c or somethng like that.

It seemed to me that erikson needed new characters and a few fresh armies to use just to get a few POVs. this mayb e my overcriticl eye however

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:13 PM

With Mathok's people, they've just had their cause smashed by Tavore and subverted by the CG. They have no homes to go to, no families/cities beyond their forces, thanks to the plague. They're a warrior people with no-one left to fight and nowhere to go except the rotten corpse-strewn villages they left. It's the same principle as bribing the young warriors of a tribe away to fight as a unit somewhere else that Leoman went into in DG.

Plus, Paran killed a freaking GOD. The same one that destroyed their home. So why not? With a power and purpose like that, why not get their new purpose from him?

I agree with the Perish though, it is a bit "Reinforcements are onroute!"-ish.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:10 AM

They're probably gonna get more though. The Bluerose Tiste Andii and some of Lether's continental neighbours like Kolanse are probably gonna team up with the 14th to take down the Edur. Otherwise the 14th is outnumbered like 20 to 1.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 09:12 AM

I do wonder how loyal the Letheri are going to be too. If you think about it, the Edur on their own could get a little crushed. Hmm. Of course, for all we know there is more than just the Tiste Edur...

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 09:45 AM

well, the edur are hot iron.
the 14th cold iron...

what does Martok said to Sha'ik about those kind of fight ?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 10:12 AM

Did the Malazan's ever pacify the perish part of the continent? I got the impression they had never been there before

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:04 AM

i dont know exactly, i rushed that bit, i wanted to get to the end...
but given the fact that the appearance of the grey shields were a pretty surprise for nearly every1 i would assume that the malazans had never much to do with this part of the continent (dont think they were more west than the jhag odan)

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:21 PM

I also thought that both alliances were very odd. They didn't seem to make sense, especailly Mathok's. I had thought they would either wander off back to their tribes, or carry on harassing malazan armies from a distance. To be dis-illusioned within five minutes of talking to Felisin Younger seemed a bit of a contrived plot device. Especially with the CG's so far very good record with recruiting armies to his cause.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:00 PM

I think with Mathok people underestimate how much the Sha'ik Rebellion was held together by a very very thin weave. It was essentially being carried on a tide, when Sha'ik and then Leoman are gone... well, I don't think ACTUAL, REAL, feelings of 7C people are that much against Malazans. Probably true also for many of the soldiers and their commanders like Mathok - they're there for the fighting, and if they get now a chance to fight under Paran, well, as shown - they take it.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:47 PM

Well, Sha'ik and Dryjina(sp?) are dead, so why would they harass the Malazans? And if the CG wanted them, then he would have made Felisin Younger keep them instead of trying to disarm them. Plus, wander off back to what tribes? Pretty much everyone they knew are dead - all central 7C tribesmen, where the plague hit hardest. Where would they go, that has as much chance of an honourable fight?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 05:04 AM

Also mathok has lost faith in what has happened with the rebirth oif the apocalypse so terrible in his eyes he may have needed a change, aslo 7c is in very bad shape with the plague and very little people left no one to grow food, as laseen says later on.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:42 PM

Mathok has seen the Apocalypse betrayed twice; by Leoman slaughtering his own troops when they'd already lost and traduced (or so he thought) by Felisin Younger's antics(Sha'ik re-re-born, who's in the midst of actually betraying the CG plans it seems)

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 05:34 AM

I think Togg and Fanderay are choosing sides in the war between the gods. They're joining their army with the 14th's to fight the Edur.

Question though, how large of an army can the Edur field, with and without the Letherii army? I haven't re-read in awhile.

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:25 AM

Edur numbers were 420,000 edur before the invasion 1/2 would be woman maybe 1/20 children (that small due to long lives).

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:22 PM

WAS IT 4000000 EDUR OF 400000 edur warriors?

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:26 PM

I thought they numbered a 100.000 warriors.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 04:36 PM

i think it was more than that. also the woman count as combatants as almost half of them are mages. just an estimate but they all seem to have some sort of mage capbility.