[Enaglio]

Does any one have any information on the Tyrant that is supposed to return to Darujhistan? Also the Segulah 2nd talks about the segulah being an army for Darujhistan against the Tyrant. Any thoughts or information on this?

[Illuyankas]

Nothing concrete, as that's the first mention of the Tyrant in the books as far as I can remember, but it could be related to the Tyrant/s of Assail. As the Tyrant's armies can slaughter T'lan Imass on mass, and the Seguleh can muster warriors better than the best Imass fighter, it seems to be a fair bet. But ICE is doing the Assail books, so unless the Tyrant leaves Assail and comes to Darujistan in Toll The Hounds (next book in Genabackis), it'll be done by ICE in his five books.

[Werthead]

There is of course the possibility that:

1) Return of the Crimson Guard is released before the end of 2007 and details the rest of the Crimson Guard going to Assail to help out their group that got its butt kicked there (prior to Midnight Tides). They team up with the T'lan Imass and take down the Tyrants in some Avowed/Bound tag-team action. Then the Crimson Guard 'return' to Genabackis and their allies there. However, one surviving Tyrant flees to his bolt-holt on Genabackis, Darujhistan...

2) ...where Erikson picks up the story in Toll the Hounds, which should be released in 2008.

Unlikely, but it would be cool if they worked it like that. And we know Return takes place after The Bonehunters and if it involves the Crimson Guard then it's what they're getting up to after their disappearance from Genabackis between MoI and TBH, and the only hint of what that was involves the group who fled Assail for Lether, so it ties together.

[Ashamanic2]

In Gardens of the moon, it is mentioned that the rulers of Darujistan were known as the Tyrant kings - Mammot tells Crokus this

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I am just beggining the fifth volume, which opens with the reign of Ektalm, second to last of the Tyrant kings

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Usurper of Lestastte and succeeded by his daughter Sandenay, who brought on the rising time and with it the end of the age of the tyrants.

though whether this is the same tyrant, I couldn't say

[Dolorous Menhir]

Is it confirmed that the Tyrant Kings (pretty sure there was a street name, and as noted above Mammot spoke of them) of Darujhistan and the human Tyrant on Assail are the same/linked? There are other examples of Tyrants, notably the Jaghut (are we sure the Tyrant Kings were human?).

Does anyone have a good sense of the relations between the absent Tyrant(s), the island Seguleh and the Torrud Cabal? The Soldier left it ambiguous how the three groups were related, who was allied and opposed.

[Braven Tooth]

Dolorous Menhir said:

Does anyone have a good sense of the relations between the absent Tyrant(s), the island Seguleh and the Torrud Cabal? The Soldier left it ambiguous how the three groups were related, who was allied and opposed.

indeed. I re-read it a couple of times and sometime's it sounded to me like the seguleh/cabaal were oppossed to the tyrant, sometimes that they were allied to him.

[Cause]

@werthead- your ideas are too interconnected between ices world and stevens. I think they are avoiding this and indeed is why they are writing seperate series

[Morgoth]

Also, didn't Iccy dethrone the Tyrant of the city?

In addition, the tyrant kings mammot speaks of cannot have been Jaghut I think as this would be a time when the T'lann Imass still spent all their time hunting themselves some tusked ones

[Asandir]

Tyrant king.........................HMmmmmmmmmmmmm
Kallor n e one. Maybe somebody along his bloodline.justa crazy idea

[phart]

Cause said:

@werthead- your ideas are too interconnected between ices world and stevens. I think they are avoiding this and indeed is why they are writing seperate series

Maybe but NOK is pretty much interwoven with the rest of the series, in the sense that we see a lot of the same characters, though i don't know what is proposed between the two.

[Cause]

Nok is interwoven but you wont of had to read the book tounderstand the bh for instance

[Set'alahd Crool]

The SoD asked if the Tyrant's children still ruled the city. The way I took that passage was this: There was a founding Tyrant who disappeared - some long-lived sem-ascendant type -and his descendants became the tyrant kings. The seguleh were like the elite royal guards and the cabal members were the royal mages. The mages got tired of one despot after another and they weren't looking forward to the no doubt expected reappearance of the original Tyrant, so with Icarium's help they removed the reigning tyrant king. Then, to make sure the Tyrant's return would be to a city with no loyal army waiting for him, they expelled the seguleh from the city. Ever loyal, the seguleh found themselves an island and turned their military way of life into a self-contained and isolated society, waiting for the return of their rightful king.

This would probably mean the Tyrant is/was an awsome warrior, since the seguleh wouldn't listen to him otherwise.

Unless prolonged isolation has somehow warped their society.

That's my (provisional) take on it.

[tiam]

the tyrant might not have been an aweome warrior he could have been a mage.

[phart]

Cause said:

Nok is interwoven but you wont of had to read the book tounderstand the bh for instance

Maybe, but it does help a bit with the characters and the end of bonehunters is very similar to TBH, in my opinion.

It gives us more info which is always helpful.

[tiam]

yes it helps but is not vital is the overall message about NOK in regards to BH