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Twilight Imperium 8 : Magi's Madness - Chat Thread

#2241 User is offline   Morgoth 

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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:24 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 07 June 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

That's a challenging new objective.... especially for Morgoth!


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:25 PM

Control the Borderlands -- 2VP -- Status Phase -- Have units in 5 systems on the edge of the game board other than your home system.

Does Mallice Count?

When using my Hero, I can move infantry and fighters from what I have found out, what's a stickler for people is systems that have the L1Z1X command token in it. Can I get a ruling on whether or not I can do this? If say A/M was activated, would my Hero permit the Dread and GF/Fighters to move?
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:27 PM

Oh yay, I drew the best action card of all, Confusing Legal Text. Anyone want to buy it for the low low low price of 1 TG? Saves you from future public executions (unless it gets sabotaged) and... nothing else!

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:39 PM

I'm pretty sure confusing legal text should have been removed from the game as of POK and been replaced with confounding legal text.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:40 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 07 June 2021 - 02:25 PM, said:

Control the Borderlands -- 2VP -- Status Phase -- Have units in 5 systems on the edge of the game board other than your home system.

Does Mallice Count?


No.

View PostTattersail_, on 07 June 2021 - 02:25 PM, said:

When using my Hero, I can move infantry and fighters from what I have found out, what's a stickler for people is systems that have the L1Z1X command token in it. Can I get a ruling on whether or not I can do this? If say A/M was activated, would my Hero permit the Dread and GF/Fighters to move?


It's a messy bit of the rules, for sure.

The Movement rules say you can only pick up units from systems that don't contain your CTs. But those are written mainly with tactical action movement in mind, even though though it applies to all cases of movement.

Retreat rules also use the above movement rules for moving units out of the system when they retreat, but they overwrite the CT-in-system rule so you can still retreat units out of an activated system.

Then there's a FAQ clarification that abilities like Skilled Retreat (and the L1Z1X commander) should can move units, answering yes.

But does that follow the original movement rules or is it like a retreat?

I don't think it's ever been officially clarified.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:41 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 07 June 2021 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure confusing legal text should have been removed from the game as of POK and been replaced with confounding legal text.


Nope, they are both included.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:42 PM

View PostD, on 07 June 2021 - 02:41 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 07 June 2021 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure confusing legal text should have been removed from the game as of POK and been replaced with confounding legal text.


Nope, they are both included.


Oh well then sucks to be you D'rek
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:43 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 07 June 2021 - 02:42 PM, said:

View PostD, on 07 June 2021 - 02:41 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 07 June 2021 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure confusing legal text should have been removed from the game as of POK and been replaced with confounding legal text.


Nope, they are both included.


Oh well then sucks to be you D'rek


Perhaps you'll regret it later when you get elected for Public Execution ^_^

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:47 PM

Took another look at the most recent LRR, and actually I think the transport rules are clearer than I thought:

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95.3 now says "other than the active system" for movement outside of tactical actions. That permits the transport of units out of the active system for retreats even if it has a CT, and keeps things consistent with the other rules regardless of the FAQ clarification.

So that means the L1Z1X hero ability should follow these same rules without any conflict/inconsistency - when you move a ship with the L1Z1X hero you can't transport ground forces/fighters with that ship if the system has your CT in it (but if it doesn't have a CT, you can).

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:51 PM

View PostD, on 07 June 2021 - 02:47 PM, said:

Took another look at the most recent LRR, and actually I think the transport rules are clearer than I thought:

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95.3 now says "other than the active system" for movement outside of tactical actions. That permits the transport of units out of the active system for retreats even if it has a CT, and keeps things consistent with the other rules regardless of the FAQ clarification.

So that means the L1Z1X hero ability should follow these same rules without any conflict/inconsistency - when you move a ship with the L1Z1X hero you can't transport ground forces/fighters with that ship if the system has your CT in it (but if it doesn't have a CT, you can).


Thanks D'rek, that is similar to what I thought after looking it up. I just didn't want to produce any cool moves for others to deny this could happen. It certainly opens up that 2 VP objective for me but not sure I'd want to waste it on that if other options or available.
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:56 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 07 June 2021 - 01:45 PM, said:

Tapper, Tatts, IH, that's a confirm on all votes FOR Wormhole Reconstruction, please.

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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:59 PM

Yep votes already submitted
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 03:26 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 07 June 2021 - 02:19 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 07 June 2021 - 02:08 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 07 June 2021 - 01:49 PM, said:

Tatts, unless something happens to change my mind between now and beginning of the strategy phase, I want to take Tech.


That's fine, I am just thinking of IH, with leadership he can stall out everyone, with Imperial he can score mec rex, and extra VP's. Not sure whether tech is really that important to you over these two conditions.


You and Twelve both go before IH, I'm sure you could do something about that too!


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 04:31 PM

I'd like Leadership. If its available I'm taking it
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:06 PM

Tatts shall I give you 1TG for your racial now?
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:11 PM

Just missing votes from one person to complete agenda phase! :)
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:29 PM

Done. Sure IH. You can do. Or whenever
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:55 PM

Blend I have 15 votes not that it changes anything
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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:57 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 07 June 2021 - 05:55 PM, said:

Blend I have 15 votes not that it changes anything


Oops, def missed Mallic! Will update now.
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Posted 08 June 2021 - 05:30 AM

Hey Tapper, can I pay you 2 TG to make me speaker? I will leave you the strategy card of your choice of course.
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