[Imperial Historian]

Okay will keep it in mind if I get one of those cards and value the TG more than the card. Though at that price it's unlikely to be worth it.

[Imperial Historian]

And damn that's an early politics pick khell, looks like I will be last pick for a while.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2021 - 03:24 PM, said:

Ahhh, I see how it is. You're more afraid of them than me, I guess

No. I literally added up the value of non home planets that would naturally be yours Tappers and Khells. Your value with what you currently at exceeded that of Tapper and Khells. I then added systems around me to Khell and Tappers count then added up what was left over for me and your three totals were roughly equivalent and what was left over for me was slightly higher. Since my homeworld would be in greater danger this seemed the most equitable distribution for all parties. Feel free to do the math yourself. If you find a better distribution feel free to point it out to me.

Tapper is more isolated and has easier access to MR, so his home area should have less total res/inf as a balancing factor to that, just like Morgoth's adjacnet systems aren't as good as Tatts/IH's adjacent systems as balance for his defensive isolation. I don't think you can treat the slices as perfectly symmetrical equal-resource blocks like in a standard layout game.

But even if we accept that logic... [[Vegas + Loki/Ab/Ash + Everra + Accoen/Jeol'ir]] is much more total res+inf than my [[Lisis/Velnor + Mehar Xull + Tequran/Torkan + Atlas]], so by your logic of carving up the map by equal resources you should still be donating a couple more planets to me to make it even, right?

[Imperial Historian]

I'm very intrigued as to how everyone's tech paths develop this game, the new tech adds so many options.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 22 April 2021 - 05:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2021 - 03:24 PM, said:

Ahhh, I see how it is. You're more afraid of them than me, I guess

No. I literally added up the value of non home planets that would naturally be yours Tappers and Khells. Your value with what you currently at exceeded that of Tapper and Khells. I then added systems around me to Khell and Tappers count then added up what was left over for me and your three totals were roughly equivalent and what was left over for me was slightly higher. Since my homeworld would be in greater danger this seemed the most equitable distribution for all parties. Feel free to do the math yourself. If you find a better distribution feel free to point it out to me.

Tapper is more isolated and has easier access to MR, so his home area should have less total res/inf as a balancing factor to that, just like Morgoth's adjacnet systems aren't as good as Tatts/IH's adjacent systems as balance for his defensive isolation. I don't think you can treat the slices as perfectly symmetrical equal-resource blocks like in a standard layout game.

But even if we accept that logic... [[Vegas + Loki/Ab/Ash + Everra + Accoen/Jeol'ir]] is much more total res+inf than my [[Lisis/Velnor + Mehar Xull + Tequran/Torkan + Atlas]], so by your logic of carving up the map by equal resources you should still be donating a couple more planets to me to make it even, right?

Maybe he's adding your bajillion TG to your total.

[twelve]

Khell D'rek I'm looking at Tech and Politics for my agent. If you want to use it I believe 1 tg was the going rate to secure it. Let me know it either of you are interested.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 05:53 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2021 - 05:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2021 - 03:24 PM, said:

Ahhh, I see how it is. You're more afraid of them than me, I guess

No. I literally added up the value of non home planets that would naturally be yours Tappers and Khells. Your value with what you currently at exceeded that of Tapper and Khells. I then added systems around me to Khell and Tappers count then added up what was left over for me and your three totals were roughly equivalent and what was left over for me was slightly higher. Since my homeworld would be in greater danger this seemed the most equitable distribution for all parties. Feel free to do the math yourself. If you find a better distribution feel free to point it out to me.

Tapper is more isolated and has easier access to MR, so his home area should have less total res/inf as a balancing factor to that, just like Morgoth's adjacnet systems aren't as good as Tatts/IH's adjacent systems as balance for his defensive isolation. I don't think you can treat the slices as perfectly symmetrical equal-resource blocks like in a standard layout game.

But even if we accept that logic... [[Vegas + Loki/Ab/Ash + Everra + Accoen/Jeol'ir]] is much more total res+inf than my [[Lisis/Velnor + Mehar Xull + Tequran/Torkan + Atlas]], so by your logic of carving up the map by equal resources you should still be donating a couple more planets to me to make it even, right?

Maybe he's adding your bajillion TG to your total.

That wouldn't make sense. If we can add my Hacan-specific abilities to the starting "worth" surely we should likewise add the Mahact-specific abilities to the worth of his zone, too, no?

[twelve]

No D'reks about 1 value less than the other two but I'm factoring my safety into the equation too. I'm already letting 2 others next to my homeworld uncontested. I need to be compensated somehow. So a slightly higher resource influence value will likely be needed to build up defenses for the late game.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 05:02 PM, said:

Khell if I leave you your choice of strategy what can I offer you to make me speaker?

A use of my agent?

Because we can't trust you to actually keep your word, you will have to overpay. My choice of strategy, use of your agent, your racial, your trade PN.

Come on Khell, you're getting the Strategy you want and a mech on the board. There's no way I'd break that deal as it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.

I'll be picking politics down the line, probably the round after and would expect you to make a similar offer.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 05:59 PM, said:

No D'reks about 1 value less than the other two but I'm factoring my safety into the equation too. I'm already letting 2 others next to my homeworld uncontested. I need to be compensated somehow. So a slightly higher resource influence value will likely be needed to build up defenses for the late game.

The way you've carved it up, it's

Twelve: 14r/12i
Khell: 11r/11i
Tapper: 10r/11i
D'rek: 10r/10i

(before Khell and Tapper's attachments were discovered)

If you wanted to be upset about other players being next to your home system... I don't think you should have picked that starting spot (or should've gone Xxcha and rushed the flagship).

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 06:10 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 05:02 PM, said:

Khell if I leave you your choice of strategy what can I offer you to make me speaker?

A use of my agent?

Because we can't trust you to actually keep your word, you will have to overpay. My choice of strategy, use of your agent, your racial, your trade PN.

Come on Khell, you're getting the Strategy you want and a mech on the board. There's no way I'd break that deal as it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.

I'll be picking politics down the line, probably the round after and would expect you to make a similar offer.

If you want to make a counteroffer then go ahead. But I can already get mechs on the board with Self Assembly Routines, so your agent isn't as enticing to me as you think it is. You'll have to offer more.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 07:19 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 06:10 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 05:02 PM, said:

Khell if I leave you your choice of strategy what can I offer you to make me speaker?

A use of my agent?

Because we can't trust you to actually keep your word, you will have to overpay. My choice of strategy, use of your agent, your racial, your trade PN.

Come on Khell, you're getting the Strategy you want and a mech on the board. There's no way I'd break that deal as it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.

I'll be picking politics down the line, probably the round after and would expect you to make a similar offer.

If you want to make a counteroffer then go ahead. But I can already get mechs on the board with Self Assembly Routines, so your agent isn't as enticing to me as you think it is. You'll have to offer more.

I'd do the trade PN instead. That and you pick strategy.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 07:21 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 07:19 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 06:10 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 05:02 PM, said:

Khell if I leave you your choice of strategy what can I offer you to make me speaker?

A use of my agent?

Because we can't trust you to actually keep your word, you will have to overpay. My choice of strategy, use of your agent, your racial, your trade PN.

Come on Khell, you're getting the Strategy you want and a mech on the board. There's no way I'd break that deal as it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.

I'll be picking politics down the line, probably the round after and would expect you to make a similar offer.

If you want to make a counteroffer then go ahead. But I can already get mechs on the board with Self Assembly Routines, so your agent isn't as enticing to me as you think it is. You'll have to offer more.

I'd do the trade PN instead. That and you pick strategy.

Mmm, yes, I'm sure you'll be looking to quickly refresh your 2 trade goods. I suspect I won't be able to cash in on that until the time comes that I actually pick Trade myself. So again, needs to be more than that.

[twelve]

D, on 22 April 2021 - 06:34 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 05:59 PM, said:

No D'reks about 1 value less than the other two but I'm factoring my safety into the equation too. I'm already letting 2 others next to my homeworld uncontested. I need to be compensated somehow. So a slightly higher resource influence value will likely be needed to build up defenses for the late game.

The way you've carved it up, it's

Twelve: 14r/12i
Khell: 11r/11i
Tapper: 10r/11i
D'rek: 10r/10i

(before Khell and Tapper's attachments were discovered)

If you wanted to be upset about other players being next to your home system... I don't think you should have picked that starting spot (or should've gone Xxcha and rushed the flagship).

I'm not upset I'm just stating I took the risk of placing my starting position here so I'm expecting a greater reward. And as you so clearly laid out above the way I suggest the allocation of planets comes out to about even for all three of you. I'm fairly sure I'm going to suffer attrition at a greater rate than any of you and will likely lose my homeworld at some point so the slightly larger production should hopefully balance us all out.

[Galactic Council]

Presumably strategy phase will get completed while I'm asleep - you guys can go ahead and start the action phase once everyone's chosen their strategies, but please leave me a placeholder post between end of Strategy Phase and beginning of the Action phase so that I can put a Custodians post in!

[twelve]

Interesting choice Morgoth. What are you concerned about that you feel you need Diplomacy? Or do you want the extra resources from it?

[D'rek]

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 10:55 PM, said:

Interesting choice Morgoth. What are you concerned about that you feel you need Diplomacy? Or do you want the extra resources from it?

I bet he grabs MR and then diplo's it to ensure IH can't swoop onto it after.

[twelve]

D, on 22 April 2021 - 11:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 10:55 PM, said:

Interesting choice Morgoth. What are you concerned about that you feel you need Diplomacy? Or do you want the extra resources from it?

I bet he grabs MR and then diplo's it to ensure IH can't swoop onto it after.

You cant diplo Rex

[D'rek]

Well, maybe he wants to diplo Primor so it's nice and safe while he moves everything on it to MR.

[twelve]

D, on 23 April 2021 - 12:21 AM, said:

Well, maybe he wants to diplo Primor so it's nice and safe while he moves everything on it to MR.

This makes sense.