[Morgoth]

aye, the latter. I didn't pay attention to the former discussion to be honest.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

I have a question regarding secondaries and my commander, when I spend a CT from my strategy pool with my commander I gain a TG, can I spend that TG as part of the secondary or not, eg if I use technology can I use the tg to pay part of the 4 resource cost? I think I can but just double checking.

I would say no as you have to spend the TGs in order to use the secondary, so you wouldn't be spending the CT until you've spent the TGs or Resources or whatever to spend the CT.

We'll see if Drek says otherwise - she knows the intricacies of the rules better than I!

[Tattersail_]

Isn't it like gaining the 1 TG from using production from last game? You could not use that TG in your build could you?

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 01:48 PM, said:

Isn't it like gaining the 1 TG from using production from last game? You could not use that TG in your build could you?

You could use that TG in your build last game, that's part of why I'm asking.

[Galactic Council]

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 01:48 PM, said:

Isn't it like gaining the 1 TG from using production from last game? You could not use that TG in your build could you?

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 01:59 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 22 April 2021 - 01:48 PM, said:

Isn't it like gaining the 1 TG from using production from last game? You could not use that TG in your build could you?

You could use that TG in your build last game, that's part of why I'm asking.

Not sure what you guys are talking about here... 1Tg from using production?

[Galactic Council]

Oh, you mean Tatts' Commander ability from last game?

I'd argue that you decide to use production BEFORE you spend the TGs for it, so it's not the same in this situation, because you have to spend the CT in order to use a secondary, and in order to spend the CT, you have to have paid to use the secondary.

But again, I might be wrong. We'll see what Drek says, she'll likely come in here and show me how wrong I am using the rules and stuff!

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 22 April 2021 - 01:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

I have a question regarding secondaries and my commander, when I spend a CT from my strategy pool with my commander I gain a TG, can I spend that TG as part of the secondary or not, eg if I use technology can I use the tg to pay part of the 4 resource cost? I think I can but just double checking.

I would say no as you have to spend the TGs in order to use the secondary, so you wouldn't be spending the CT until you've spent the TGs or Resources or whatever to spend the CT.

We'll see if Drek says otherwise - she knows the intricacies of the rules better than I!

I'm not a million% sure, but I think you're right. The strategy card secondaries are all written as combined sentences on a single bullet in the text, e.g.: "Spend 1 token from your strategy pool to draw 2 action cards." meaning you resolve the whole bullet as an effect at once and there's no possible timing window mid-resolution.

If the strategy card secondary were written as:

Do the following:

• Spend a strategy token
  
• Spend 4 resources.
  
• Research a technology.

You could gain the TG after the first bullet and use it in when resolving the second bullet.

[Galactic Council]

Am just checking with the TTS community re: IH's above question, just to see if they agree with our above assumptions. Will get a map update done and the game going into Round 2 shortly!

[D'rek]

Do you want to just toss a placeholder "start of strategy phase" post into the game thread for now? The map update/new objective won't affect my strategy card choice.

[Galactic Council]

Tatts - please be sure to include your fulfilled SO in the "Other" section of your status phase post and all posts going forward.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

Hey Twelve, I plan on moving into Rigel next turn. I only built/brought 2 infantry, I will not invade the tech specialty planet you landed on.

If you move your dread out of the way, I'll trade you my trade agreement as compensation for the CT you spend on the move. Not entirely equal, but hey, you save the dread.

I was looking at the map yesterday and with the distribution of planets it makes sense for you and Khell to have 1 system each near my homeworld unless you opt for Everra instead of the Rigel system.

However these systems are right next to my home system. So while I dont have objections to you moving and claiming the systems I do have conditions to a peaceful arrangement and 1 request. Khell the conditions apply to you as well and please let me know which system you prefer.

The conditions are: you only bring in enough infantry/ no mechs to claim the planets. No structures are to be built and if anything other than a carrier is used to bring in those troops its cleared with me in advance and they vacate as soon as possible.

The 1 request for you, Tapper, is since you have only 2 infantry that you allow me to move the dread and infantry out but save the tech specialty until a later round to claim. I would like to use it on tech this round. And how soon do you need me to move out?

[twelve]

I should have also read your full post before I replied as I now see you already offered a reasonable deal though from the implied text you want to bring in more than just your carrier

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 02:49 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

Hey Twelve, I plan on moving into Rigel next turn. I only built/brought 2 infantry, I will not invade the tech specialty planet you landed on.

If you move your dread out of the way, I'll trade you my trade agreement as compensation for the CT you spend on the move. Not entirely equal, but hey, you save the dread.

I was looking at the map yesterday and with the distribution of planets it makes sense for you and Khell to have 1 system each near my homeworld unless you opt for Everra instead of the Rigel system.

However these systems are right next to my home system. So while I dont have objections to you moving and claiming the systems I do have conditions to a peaceful arrangement and 1 request. Khell the conditions apply to you as well and please let me know which system you prefer.

The conditions are: you only bring in enough infantry/ no mechs to claim the planets. No structures are to be built and if anything other than a carrier is used to bring in those troops its cleared with me in advance and they vacate as soon as possible.

The 1 request for you, Tapper, is since you have only 2 infantry that you allow me to move the dread and infantry out but save the tech specialty until a later round to claim. I would like to use it on tech this round. And how soon do you need me to move out?

I could go for K...whatever that 2-planet system below Sem-Lore is called. I'm happy to take it with just a couple of infantry, but if the infantry are destroyed through exploration (they're both hazardous planets), then I want to be able to repopulate them later.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 03:02 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 02:49 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

Hey Twelve, I plan on moving into Rigel next turn. I only built/brought 2 infantry, I will not invade the tech specialty planet you landed on.

If you move your dread out of the way, I'll trade you my trade agreement as compensation for the CT you spend on the move. Not entirely equal, but hey, you save the dread.

I was looking at the map yesterday and with the distribution of planets it makes sense for you and Khell to have 1 system each near my homeworld unless you opt for Everra instead of the Rigel system.

However these systems are right next to my home system. So while I dont have objections to you moving and claiming the systems I do have conditions to a peaceful arrangement and 1 request. Khell the conditions apply to you as well and please let me know which system you prefer.

The conditions are: you only bring in enough infantry/ no mechs to claim the planets. No structures are to be built and if anything other than a carrier is used to bring in those troops its cleared with me in advance and they vacate as soon as possible.

The 1 request for you, Tapper, is since you have only 2 infantry that you allow me to move the dread and infantry out but save the tech specialty until a later round to claim. I would like to use it on tech this round. And how soon do you need me to move out?

I could go for K...whatever that 2-planet system below Sem-Lore is called. I'm happy to take it with just a couple of infantry, but if the infantry are destroyed through exploration (they're both hazardous planets), then I want to be able to repopulate them later.

Kraag and Siig.

If you're going for that, I will happily hop onto Loki/Abaddon/Ashtroth, and leave Vega Major/Minor for Twelve. But if you prefer Loki/Ab/Ash Khell I don't mind picking the Vegas instead.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 22 April 2021 - 02:19 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 April 2021 - 01:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

I have a question regarding secondaries and my commander, when I spend a CT from my strategy pool with my commander I gain a TG, can I spend that TG as part of the secondary or not, eg if I use technology can I use the tg to pay part of the 4 resource cost? I think I can but just double checking.

I would say no as you have to spend the TGs in order to use the secondary, so you wouldn't be spending the CT until you've spent the TGs or Resources or whatever to spend the CT.

We'll see if Drek says otherwise - she knows the intricacies of the rules better than I!

I'm not a million% sure, but I think you're right. The strategy card secondaries are all written as combined sentences on a single bullet in the text, e.g.: "Spend 1 token from your strategy pool to draw 2 action cards." meaning you resolve the whole bullet as an effect at once and there's no possible timing window mid-resolution.

If the strategy card secondary were written as:

Do the following:

• Spend a strategy token
• Spend 4 resources.
• Research a technology.

You could gain the TG after the first bullet and use it in when resolving the second bullet.

That does make sense, oh well.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 03:09 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2021 - 02:19 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 April 2021 - 01:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

I have a question regarding secondaries and my commander, when I spend a CT from my strategy pool with my commander I gain a TG, can I spend that TG as part of the secondary or not, eg if I use technology can I use the tg to pay part of the 4 resource cost? I think I can but just double checking.

I would say no as you have to spend the TGs in order to use the secondary, so you wouldn't be spending the CT until you've spent the TGs or Resources or whatever to spend the CT.

We'll see if Drek says otherwise - she knows the intricacies of the rules better than I!

I'm not a million% sure, but I think you're right. The strategy card secondaries are all written as combined sentences on a single bullet in the text, e.g.: "Spend 1 token from your strategy pool to draw 2 action cards." meaning you resolve the whole bullet as an effect at once and there's no possible timing window mid-resolution.

If the strategy card secondary were written as:

Do the following:

• Spend a strategy token
• Spend 4 resources.
• Research a technology.

You could gain the TG after the first bullet and use it in when resolving the second bullet.

That does make sense, oh well.

TTS folks agree with this assessment as well. There is no window there as you have to spend the CT and resources at the same time when using a secondary.

[twelve]

D, on 22 April 2021 - 03:07 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 22 April 2021 - 03:02 PM, said:

twelve, on 22 April 2021 - 02:49 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 April 2021 - 06:22 AM, said:

Hey Twelve, I plan on moving into Rigel next turn. I only built/brought 2 infantry, I will not invade the tech specialty planet you landed on.

If you move your dread out of the way, I'll trade you my trade agreement as compensation for the CT you spend on the move. Not entirely equal, but hey, you save the dread.

I was looking at the map yesterday and with the distribution of planets it makes sense for you and Khell to have 1 system each near my homeworld unless you opt for Everra instead of the Rigel system.

However these systems are right next to my home system. So while I dont have objections to you moving and claiming the systems I do have conditions to a peaceful arrangement and 1 request. Khell the conditions apply to you as well and please let me know which system you prefer.

The conditions are: you only bring in enough infantry/ no mechs to claim the planets. No structures are to be built and if anything other than a carrier is used to bring in those troops its cleared with me in advance and they vacate as soon as possible.

The 1 request for you, Tapper, is since you have only 2 infantry that you allow me to move the dread and infantry out but save the tech specialty until a later round to claim. I would like to use it on tech this round. And how soon do you need me to move out?

I could go for K...whatever that 2-planet system below Sem-Lore is called. I'm happy to take it with just a couple of infantry, but if the infantry are destroyed through exploration (they're both hazardous planets), then I want to be able to repopulate them later.

Kraag and Siig.

If you're going for that, I will happily hop onto Loki/Abaddon/Ashtroth, and leave Vega Major/Minor for Twelve. But if you prefer Loki/Ab/Ash Khell I don't mind picking the Vegas instead.

The map distribution says Tapper and Khell is okay. You are already at your limit. You would have to pay me a lot to claim any system around me. Start the offering now. 2 uses of your trade agreement pn staring immediately and then again next round should suffice.

[Galactic Council]

Game map is updated to end of Status Phase.

[D'rek]

Ahhh, I see how it is. You're more afraid of them than me, I guess

[D'rek]

Khell, why don't you go for Loki/Ab/Ash instead of Kraag/Siig? You'd get 3res/2inf out of it each round rather than 2res/2inf from Kraag/Siig, plus an additional explore, plus 2 of them are cultural so don't need to worry about losing the infantry. Puts both you and me in a more flexible geographic position, that way, too - like if you want to use the beta wormhole in the future I can clear the airspace for you to fly through it.