[Morgoth]

Being this close to each other, IH. I would hope we can agree to trade commodities as the opportunity arises. The same applies to you, tatts. I have no wish to spend resources fighting either of you.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 20 April 2021 - 01:41 PM, said:

Being this close to each other, IH. I would hope we can agree to trade commodities as the opportunity arises. The same applies to you, tatts. I have no wish to spend resources fighting either of you.

Of course, I'm not malicious enough to with hold trading of goods to my neighbours. If I have them, if you have them, then feel free to put that in your post. As we have nothing concrete to meld our relatonship, would you like to swap ceasefires or anything else as a security blanket?

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

If you want it less vague then you have to tell me what you’re after. I’m not trying to be vague on purpose or because of nefarious schemes. I’m happy to agree to something more specific if it sounds good.

Like I said in my original proposal. In addition to the ceasefire swap, we both commit to not playing abilities like your agent, Reactor Meltdown, Vortex, etc on each other.

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

As for the ceasefire/TG proposal, do you mean that you’d convert only my current commodities? I’m obviously hoping for converting my current commodities plus the ones I’ll refresh on my turn (so 4 in total). As above, I’m happy to agree to some more specific terms (unless they’re particularly onerous!) to get that to happen.

So if I do nothing you'll have 2 commodities, and if I do swap both pairs you get 4 TGs. Seems like a pretty significant gain. What am I getting out of it in recompense?

Keep in mind I already have a mutual commodity upgrading arrangement with IH for this round, so you offering to upgrade my commodities to TGs is not worth anything.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 20 April 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 20 April 2021 - 01:41 PM, said:

Being this close to each other, IH. I would hope we can agree to trade commodities as the opportunity arises. The same applies to you, tatts. I have no wish to spend resources fighting either of you.

Of course, I'm not malicious enough to with hold trading of goods to my neighbours. If I have them, if you have them, then feel free to put that in your post. As we have nothing concrete to meld our relatonship, would you like to swap ceasefires or anything else as a security blanket?

I'd be happy swapping ceasefires I think. As soon as I have claimed all the systems bordering on my homeworld, just so as there's no shenanigans.

[D'rek]

@IH - don't you want to have me swap out your commodities into TGs immediately? You can add it to your turn before I go.

[Khellendros]

D, on 20 April 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

If you want it less vague then you have to tell me what you’re after. I’m not trying to be vague on purpose or because of nefarious schemes. I’m happy to agree to something more specific if it sounds good.

Like I said in my original proposal. In addition to the ceasefire swap, we both commit to not playing abilities like your agent, Reactor Meltdown, Vortex, etc on each other.

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

As for the ceasefire/TG proposal, do you mean that you’d convert only my current commodities? I’m obviously hoping for converting my current commodities plus the ones I’ll refresh on my turn (so 4 in total). As above, I’m happy to agree to some more specific terms (unless they’re particularly onerous!) to get that to happen.

So if I do nothing you'll have 2 commodities, and if I do swap both pairs you get 4 TGs. Seems like a pretty significant gain. What am I getting out of it in recompense?

Keep in mind I already have a mutual commodity upgrading arrangement with IH for this round, so you offering to upgrade my commodities to TGs is not worth anything.

What you’re getting is game-long agreement to not use my abilities on you (otherwise it’s just the straight Ceasefire swap), plus I can throw in agreement to use my racial PN when you need it (obviously not against me, but that is covered by your own specifics).

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:58 PM, said:

D, on 20 April 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

If you want it less vague then you have to tell me what you’re after. I’m not trying to be vague on purpose or because of nefarious schemes. I’m happy to agree to something more specific if it sounds good.

Like I said in my original proposal. In addition to the ceasefire swap, we both commit to not playing abilities like your agent, Reactor Meltdown, Vortex, etc on each other.

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 01:30 PM, said:

As for the ceasefire/TG proposal, do you mean that you’d convert only my current commodities? I’m obviously hoping for converting my current commodities plus the ones I’ll refresh on my turn (so 4 in total). As above, I’m happy to agree to some more specific terms (unless they’re particularly onerous!) to get that to happen.

So if I do nothing you'll have 2 commodities, and if I do swap both pairs you get 4 TGs. Seems like a pretty significant gain. What am I getting out of it in recompense?

Keep in mind I already have a mutual commodity upgrading arrangement with IH for this round, so you offering to upgrade my commodities to TGs is not worth anything.

What you’re getting is game-long agreement to not use my abilities on you (otherwise it’s just the straight Ceasefire swap), plus I can throw in agreement to use my racial PN when you need it (obviously not against me, but that is covered by your own specifics).

The only "your abilities" this would apply to are your agent and Vortex (if and when you unlock it). The agent isn't really a downside for me - I get 6 commodities turned to TG from it after all.

And besides, we both know how that goes. We've seen two players swap ceasefires but then one starts passive-aggressively using non-activation abilities on the other, and the other starts retaliating in kind. I can buy action cards, so of course if after we swapped ceasefires you started Vortexing me every round I would start buying Reactor Meltdown, Uprising, and other annoying action cards to play on you in retaliation.

The no-dickery-pact is good for both of us, and not having it is equally bad for both of us. You are trying to position it as some sort of great boon that is worth 4TG to me, but it just plain isn't because it affects us both equally.

As for your faction PN, what gravity rifts am I going to use it on, exactly??? Not helpful at all.

So you're still suggesting you should get/upgrade 4TG in exchange for me getting nothing in return for them.

[D'rek]

Hmm, guess IH did a post-and-run. Probably busy but didn't want to hold up the game. Oh well, I'll move the transaction to my turn, presumably he'll be fine with that.

[Khellendros]

Sounds to me like maybe you want to tell me what you want in exchange for me getting 4TG? I can part with one of the TG as payment, but I suspect you’d like more than that.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 02:12 PM, said:

Sounds to me like maybe you want to tell me what you want in exchange for me getting 4TG? I can part with one of the TG as payment, but I suspect you’d like more than that.

In the case of the first 2 commodities, you will straight up lose them if I do nothing, so 1 TG seems like a fair cost to swap them when your missed opportunity cost is very high.

As for the other 2 from your trade refresh... well, if we were making a ceasefire swap and full no-dickery-pact I suppose I could upgrade those out of the goodness of my cold, dead heart just this once.

[Khellendros]

D, on 20 April 2021 - 02:15 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 02:12 PM, said:

Sounds to me like maybe you want to tell me what you want in exchange for me getting 4TG? I can part with one of the TG as payment, but I suspect you’d like more than that.

In the case of the first 2 commodities, you will straight up lose them if I do nothing, so 1 TG seems like a fair cost to swap them when your missed opportunity cost is very high.

As for the other 2 from your trade refresh... well, if we were making a ceasefire swap and full no-dickery-pact I suppose I could upgrade those out of the goodness of my cold, dead heart just this once.

I can agree to those terms with the full force of He Who Molds Flesh’s dozen oozing hearts, some of them even their own!

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 02:18 PM, said:

D, on 20 April 2021 - 02:15 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 April 2021 - 02:12 PM, said:

Sounds to me like maybe you want to tell me what you want in exchange for me getting 4TG? I can part with one of the TG as payment, but I suspect you’d like more than that.

In the case of the first 2 commodities, you will straight up lose them if I do nothing, so 1 TG seems like a fair cost to swap them when your missed opportunity cost is very high.

As for the other 2 from your trade refresh... well, if we were making a ceasefire swap and full no-dickery-pact I suppose I could upgrade those out of the goodness of my cold, dead heart just this once.

I can agree to those terms with the full force of He Who Molds Flesh’s dozen oozing hearts, some of them even their own!

Ok, I have put the transaction in my turn. Happy doing business with you. I'd shake your... tentacle-hand-thing? But it's oozing too much slime at the moment.

[Imperial Historian]

Yes sorry post and run. That deal is fine.

[Galactic Council]

IH - your most recent action is not possible as your War Sun only has Capacity 3 and your Destroyer has no capacity, so you can only bring over 1 fighter and 2 infantry. I've updated accordingly.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 20 April 2021 - 03:07 PM, said:

IH - your most recent action is not possible as your War Sun only has Capacity 3 and your Destroyer has no capacity, so you can only bring over 1 fighter and 2 infantry. I've updated accordingly.

Prototype War Sun I has 6 capacity. (You were probably looking at/thinking of the flagship stat?)

[twelve]

Yeah Warsuns have good capacity

[Galactic Council]

D, on 20 April 2021 - 03:09 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 20 April 2021 - 03:07 PM, said:

IH - your most recent action is not possible as your War Sun only has Capacity 3 and your Destroyer has no capacity, so you can only bring over 1 fighter and 2 infantry. I've updated accordingly.

Prototype War Sun I has 6 capacity. (You were probably looking at/thinking of the flagship stat?)

twelve, on 20 April 2021 - 03:14 PM, said:

Yeah Warsuns have good capacity

Yep, was definitely looking at the War Sun. My bad! Will fix IH's post.

[Tattersail_]

Blend I remove an infantry to gain a trade good, thank you.

[Khellendros]

Not sure why my banner's disappeared.

[D'rek]

Ooooooo 3 hazardous relic fragments discovered already. In theory I could buy the other 2 from IH and Morgoth and get a relic round 1.

Honestly, I have no idea what value to place on the relic fragments though. What do you guys think? Is the average relic worth 6TG, so a fragment would be worth 2TG? 3TG? 1TG? Hard to say, since some relics would be a complete waste to get early on while others would be great.

Probably not worth doing compared to just investing the TG elsewhere in round 1, but the fact that it's even possible makes it tantalizing