[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 03:44 PM, said:

Actually reading your agent, what is the timing? Is it your action phase or anyone's?

Anytime during anyone's turn during the action phase.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 03:41 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:37 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 03:34 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:32 PM, said:

@IH you're first up, want to do the my-agent, 3-and-1 TG thing right away on your first turn?

How can we do that when you don't have any TG?

Oh yeah, I guess that becomes 2 transactions to do that, eh.

Well, I'm the next turn right after you, so we could do use the agent and you send me 3 commodities on your turn, then at the start of my turn I swap your 1 commodity for a TG.

I'm not doing that because if twelve plays trade early I won't be able to take advantage of trade fully with the new secondary rules.

I don't see any difference for when TRADE is played. Either way you'd have 0 commodities at the time that Twelve plays TRADE so you'd be able to get 4 more commodities from the TRADE secondary.

[Imperial Historian]

I'll wait to here back from twelve on trade first.

[twelve]

D'rek if you want to go for my agent deal 1 tg for me to use my agent on you then I'll need a CT to use. FYI. Let me know if you still want to do that.

[D'rek]

Your turn: gain 4 commodities from Hacan agent; transaction: give 3 commodities to me.

You now have 1/4C, 0TG

My turn: transaction: I give you 1 TG, you give me 1 commodity.

You now have 0/4C, 1 TG

Twelve's turn: he plays TRADE.

Just before your next turn: you do TRADE secondary to replenish commodities.

You now have 4/4C, 1 TG


I don't see how our deal affected the TRADE play.

[twelve]

I'm not giving out trade refreshes. I'm going to be surrounded by people. So even getting a boost from trade even deferred I cant afford to give out refreshes. I need to make sure my defenses are in place prior to my neighbors getting their fleets up and running.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:47 PM, said:

D'rek if you want to go for my agent deal 1 tg for me to use my agent on you then I'll need a CT to use. FYI. Let me know if you still want to do that.

Yup, I would still like to do that. I'll be moving to Tequ'ran/Torkan with my first turn and I anticipate I'll have a TG to give pretty quickly from one source or another.

The timing is that it's whenever *you* are doing a secondary, not when the primary strategy card effect is played and not when I do a secondary, right? So I guess when it happens just comes down to when there's a strategy card played you want to do the secondary on, then.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:47 PM, said:

D'rek if you want to go for my agent deal 1 tg for me to use my agent on you then I'll need a CT to use. FYI. Let me know if you still want to do that.

Yup, I would still like to do that. I'll be moving to Tequ'ran/Torkan with my first turn and I anticipate I'll have a TG to give pretty quickly from one source or another.

The timing is that it's whenever *you* are doing a secondary, not when the primary strategy card effect is played and not when I do a secondary, right? So I guess when it happens just comes down to when there's a strategy card played you want to do the secondary on, then.

By my understanding it would have to be politics twelve used your CT to perform the secondary of, as it refers to active player, a bit different due to forum play rules but the intention is clear.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm not giving out trade refreshes. I'm going to be surrounded by people. So even getting a boost from trade even deferred I cant afford to give out refreshes. I need to make sure my defenses are in place prior to my neighbors getting their fleets up and running.

So no free refreshes even as a non neighbor who could potentially put pressure on those neighbors? I'm willing to pay a TG when next we can trade or a future free refresh.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:05 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:47 PM, said:

D'rek if you want to go for my agent deal 1 tg for me to use my agent on you then I'll need a CT to use. FYI. Let me know if you still want to do that.

Yup, I would still like to do that. I'll be moving to Tequ'ran/Torkan with my first turn and I anticipate I'll have a TG to give pretty quickly from one source or another.

The timing is that it's whenever *you* are doing a secondary, not when the primary strategy card effect is played and not when I do a secondary, right? So I guess when it happens just comes down to when there's a strategy card played you want to do the secondary on, then.

By my understanding it would have to be politics twelve used your CT to perform the secondary of, as it refers to active player, a bit different due to forum play rules but the intention is clear.

Agreed - the Mahact Agent can be used on the secondary of the primary played by the player whose token he will steal. I.e. if he wants to steal D'rek's token, he has to play it on Politics secondary.

[D'rek]

Ahhh, ok got it, makes sense.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:50 PM, said:

Your turn: gain 4 commodities from Hacan agent; transaction: give 3 commodities to me.

You now have 1/4C, 0TG

My turn: transaction: I give you 1 TG, you give me 1 commodity.

You now have 0/4C, 1 TG

Twelve's turn: he plays TRADE.

Just before your next turn: you do TRADE secondary to replenish commodities.

You now have 4/4C, 1 TG


I don't see how our deal affected the TRADE play.

I'm just not in a hurry for 1 TG and giving you 3TG first move is a pretty big boost which benefits you much more than standard. Twelve giving out refreshes affects whether I will need to do further trades this turn.

Let me have some time to think about my first move and I'll get back to you, I was not expecting to get leadership!

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:10 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:50 PM, said:

Your turn: gain 4 commodities from Hacan agent; transaction: give 3 commodities to me.

You now have 1/4C, 0TG

My turn: transaction: I give you 1 TG, you give me 1 commodity.

You now have 0/4C, 1 TG

Twelve's turn: he plays TRADE.

Just before your next turn: you do TRADE secondary to replenish commodities.

You now have 4/4C, 1 TG


I don't see how our deal affected the TRADE play.

I'm just not in a hurry for 1 TG and giving you 3TG first move is a pretty big boost which benefits you much more than standard. Twelve giving out refreshes affects whether I will need to do further trades this turn.

Let me have some time to think about my first move and I'll get back to you, I was not expecting to get leadership!

Okie dokie

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:05 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 03:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:47 PM, said:

D'rek if you want to go for my agent deal 1 tg for me to use my agent on you then I'll need a CT to use. FYI. Let me know if you still want to do that.

Yup, I would still like to do that. I'll be moving to Tequ'ran/Torkan with my first turn and I anticipate I'll have a TG to give pretty quickly from one source or another.

The timing is that it's whenever *you* are doing a secondary, not when the primary strategy card effect is played and not when I do a secondary, right? So I guess when it happens just comes down to when there's a strategy card played you want to do the secondary on, then.

By my understanding it would have to be politics twelve used your CT to perform the secondary of, as it refers to active player, a bit different due to forum play rules but the intention is clear.

I have 3 secondaries I want and politics is one of them. So I have to decide which of the three I want to give a second move to. D'rek was willing to pay so this works for me.

[D'rek]

Faction cards are done! https://imgur.com/a/6V2Ge1e upload is failing, hang on

This post has been edited by D'rek: 19 April 2021 - 04:22 PM

[Imperial Historian]

Oh and khell, if I do this deal how likely is it that you are going to use this opportunity to capture one of my ships?

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:22 PM, said:

Oh and khell, if I do this deal how likely is it that you are going to use this opportunity to capture one of my ships?

Ugh, I see what you mean, that is an annoying possibility.

I think (maybe?) if we used a trade agreement PN that would prevent him from being able to use his agent on the commodity replenish though.

edit: Yeah, trade agreement is a "when" while vuil'raith agent is an "after" so the PN hits first

This post has been edited by D'rek: 19 April 2021 - 04:25 PM

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:07 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2021 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm not giving out trade refreshes. I'm going to be surrounded by people. So even getting a boost from trade even deferred I cant afford to give out refreshes. I need to make sure my defenses are in place prior to my neighbors getting their fleets up and running.

So no free refreshes even as a non neighbor who could potentially put pressure on those neighbors? I'm willing to pay a TG when next we can trade or a future free refresh.

I'm not a huge fan of you whoring your trade goods out to D'rek. She is already trying to team up with the cabal against me. Until I know how things between her and I shake out I would like to be on more even terms resource wise with her. If you are willing to agree to not do that trade with her and if she is willing to wash both yours and my commodities then I might reconsider.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 19 April 2021 - 04:24 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:22 PM, said:

Oh and khell, if I do this deal how likely is it that you are going to use this opportunity to capture one of my ships?

Ugh, I see what you mean, that is an annoying possibility.

I think (maybe?) if we used a trade agreement PN that would prevent him from being able to use his agent on the commodity replenish though.

edit: Yeah, trade agreement is a "when" while vuil'raith agent is an "after" so the PN hits first

So what are you proposing, I give you my trade agreement for a free refresh and then you give me a TG on your turn?

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:27 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2021 - 04:24 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 April 2021 - 04:22 PM, said:

Oh and khell, if I do this deal how likely is it that you are going to use this opportunity to capture one of my ships?

Ugh, I see what you mean, that is an annoying possibility.

I think (maybe?) if we used a trade agreement PN that would prevent him from being able to use his agent on the commodity replenish though.

edit: Yeah, trade agreement is a "when" while vuil'raith agent is an "after" so the PN hits first

So what are you proposing, I give you my trade agreement for a free refresh and then you give me a TG on your turn?

Yeah, that should achieve the same overall outcome and block Khell from sabotaging it (not that I think he was going to anyway). Or in the opposite order would be fine, too, if you prefer not to do it right away.