[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hmm, not too happy i comes from Shelly

Why do you say "meh"? Thinking back that would be a simple explanation.

IF I remember correctly I the "meh" was directed at the WIFOM talk above the idea I put forward that you "like".

Since it all stemmed a WIFOM discussion.

I see the WIFOM for the Fanderay vote, not so clear for the lack of pushing an alternative candidate. After two votes, was Thyrllan truly beyond saving?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:58 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hmm, not too happy i comes from Shelly

Why do you say "meh"? Thinking back that would be a simple explanation.

IF I remember correctly I the "meh" was directed at the WIFOM talk above the idea I put forward that you "like".

Since it all stemmed a WIFOM discussion.

I see the WIFOM for the Fanderay vote, not so clear for the lack of pushing an alternative candidate. After two votes, was Thyrllan truly beyond saving?

heh?

I meant the entire post was about WIFOM...the end bit was just a better alternative way if dealing with the WIFOM argument, which you like. I see merit in it obviously.
But the gist of the entire post was discussing a WIFOM scenario so that why I said "meh"

thats what you asked right?...or am i confused.

[Tennes]

Path-Shaper, on 18 May 2020 - 05:25 PM, said:

It is day 3. About 17 hours and a half remaining. (Tuesday midday BST) Gives me a chance to post final hours.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

1 vote Sheltatha Lore; Aranatha
5 votes Rikkter; Jalan, Tennes, Barghast Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay
1 vote Ruse; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Rikkter, Gait

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Venesara.

I'm counted twice here. I didn't vote Rikkter.

Gonna catch up firs and then do what I wanted to do earlier, which is look into the three people who until this day had very little scrutiny. Jalan, Rikkter, and Kilava. Will see where that brings me.

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 07:13 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:58 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hmm, not too happy i comes from Shelly

Why do you say "meh"? Thinking back that would be a simple explanation.

IF I remember correctly I the "meh" was directed at the WIFOM talk above the idea I put forward that you "like".

Since it all stemmed a WIFOM discussion.

I see the WIFOM for the Fanderay vote, not so clear for the lack of pushing an alternative candidate. After two votes, was Thyrllan truly beyond saving?

heh?

I meant the entire post was about WIFOM...the end bit was just a better alternative way if dealing with the WIFOM argument, which you like. I see merit in it obviously.
But the gist of the entire post was discussing a WIFOM scenario so that why I said "meh"

thats what you asked right?...or am i confused.

Yes, it seems we agree on the important bit of my recent post. Let’s not get caught on the “meh”, sorry

[Aranatha]

I have to say, I think rikkter's case on tennes is weird but also on point in places albeit a bit wordy and partly reactive, however it's aided by the fact that Sheltatha is once again being tennes giant knight in shining armor - even going so far as to 'subtly' distancing himself from tennes.
That said, I agree that the sudden acitivty from Rikkter is also suspect in a sense. My thinking right now is that it's possible that Shel is tennes symp - unless they've just been playing recklessly and is town after all?
Some of the other's reactions are confusing to me. I have no idea what Kalse is on about, and his vote doesn't make any kind of sense, seems like a throw away vote to me. Fanderay voting for Rikkter is something of a red flag to me, since I think it's a possibility that Tyrllan was distancing himself from Fande before he was lynched. Shel is whining about people attacking his master as usual.
The case against Rikkter seems less about actual evidence and more a combination of town doing fucking retarded knee jerk voting to fit in and scum taking advantage of the fact that Rikkter suddenly became active. You have to do better than that.
look at Barghast's reason to vote Rikkter - it seems more that he thinks Rikkter plays the game too well. What kind of argument even is that? Maybe it's correct that Rikkter is scum, but you have to do a better job of convincing me - this shit happens WAY too often in MAFIA and the reason Town loses more often than not. You vote for the actual good cases, and it becomes a lot more important as the days passes. And I become even more skeptical when Shel comes along with 'it's valid' as if that's all it takes to vote in this game. Fucking hell if I can't smell Shel's symp antics from a mile away.
The thing is that if we want to get good information from lynches, we have to actually make a case for them and argue - it's the only way we'll suss out the scum. Otherwise we might aswell make random choices and lose.

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere. The person that suddenly became active and is making a hell of a case is an easy target for scum at this point. If you got something better to build a vote for Rikkter on, then bring it on.

For now though I'll

remove vote
Vote Tennes

Also tennes is recorded as having voted twice - which is clearly wrong. Fix it PS.

[Fanderay]

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere.

When did I say I didn't want to vote for Rikkter?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

I have to say, I think rikkter's case on tennes is weird but also on point in places albeit a bit wordy and partly reactive, however it's aided by the fact that Sheltatha is once again being tennes giant knight in shining armor - even going so far as to 'subtly' distancing himself from tennes.
That said, I agree that the sudden acitivty from Rikkter is also suspect in a sense. My thinking right now is that it's possible that Shel is tennes symp - unless they've just been playing recklessly and is town after all?
Some of the other's reactions are confusing to me. I have no idea what Kalse is on about, and his vote doesn't make any kind of sense, seems like a throw away vote to me. Fanderay voting for Rikkter is something of a red flag to me, since I think it's a possibility that Tyrllan was distancing himself from Fande before he was lynched. Shel is whining about people attacking his master as usual.
The case against Rikkter seems less about actual evidence and more a combination of town doing fucking retarded knee jerk voting to fit in and scum taking advantage of the fact that Rikkter suddenly became active. You have to do better than that.
look at Barghast's reason to vote Rikkter - it seems more that he thinks Rikkter plays the game too well. What kind of argument even is that? Maybe it's correct that Rikkter is scum, but you have to do a better job of convincing me - this shit happens WAY too often in MAFIA and the reason Town loses more often than not. You vote for the actual good cases, and it becomes a lot more important as the days passes. And I become even more skeptical when Shel comes along with 'it's valid' as if that's all it takes to vote in this game. Fucking hell if I can't smell Shel's symp antics from a mile away.
The thing is that if we want to get good information from lynches, we have to actually make a case for them and argue - it's the only way we'll suss out the scum. Otherwise we might aswell make random choices and lose.

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere. The person that suddenly became active and is making a hell of a case is an easy target for scum at this point. If you got something better to build a vote for Rikkter on, then bring it on.

For now though I'll

remove vote
Vote Tennes

Also tennes is recorded as having voted twice - which is clearly wrong. Fix it PS.

Read to first few sentences and gave up.

It’s like you are attempting to rattle off every possible scenario under the sun.

Skip to the end and... Surprise surprise your hard on prevails as usual.
Yaaawn

never would have seen that vote coming.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Fanderay, on 18 May 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere.

When did I say I didn't want to vote for Rikkter?

Welcome to my world. Get used to it.

[Aranatha]

Fanderay, on 18 May 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere.

When did I say I didn't want to vote for Rikkter?

I was reading between the lines - did I misread you? I'll go back and read again.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3. About 15 hours remaining. (Tuesday midday BST) Gives me a chance to post final hours.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

1 vote Sheltatha Lore; Aranatha
4 votes Rikkter; Jalan, Barghast Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay
1 vote Ruse; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Rikkter, Gait
1 vote Venesara; Kalse

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Venesara.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 08:07 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 18 May 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere.

When did I say I didn't want to vote for Rikkter?

I was reading between the lines - did I misread you? I'll go back and read again.

Doing a great job buddy. Keep it up.

[Gait]

Path-Shaper, on 18 May 2020 - 08:08 PM, said:

It is day 3. About 15 hours remaining. (Tuesday midday BST) Gives me a chance to post final hours.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

1 vote Sheltatha Lore;
4 votes Rikkter; Jalan, Barghast Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay
1 vote Ruse; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Rikkter, Gait, Aranatha*
1 vote Venesara; Kalse

Players not voted; Fanderay,* Gamelon, Hanas, Kalse*, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Venesara.

*fix

Edit fix 2.0

This post has been edited by Gait: 18 May 2020 - 08:26 PM

[Aranatha]

I apologize fande I DID misread you. This was the post I was referring to, however it doesn't change my stance on your vote. It's not a well built argument at all.

Fanderay, on 18 May 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

So, I'm not really a fan of Rikkter's case. As other people have pointed out, it seems like he saw votes on him and decided to just build a case. It's odd that he'd vote for Tennes halfway through his case, before he'd even really started on D2. I guess it was maybe an attempt to draw out Tennes? It just doesn't read well to me.
I also dislike how much pointless shit he quotes. Stuff like Tennes saying "fucking hell" or Sheltatha's sumo=symp correction. It feels like a way to bloat the post and make it seem more substantial than it really is.

Rikkter, on 17 May 2020 - 06:22 PM, said:

Continued...

It is around this time that SL suddenly grows an incredible hard on for Tennes (and for some reason does not vote for him). This attack on Tennes is notable throughout the remainder of day 1.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm not saying they're symping one of you. I'm saying they're signalling to the three of you, ergo symping all three*. And Skin's vote is on Thyr, so how is that lynching their killer?* I know, I know. Usually not a fan of signalling cases myself. This one kinda struck me though. I remember yesterday noticing the 'EXTREMELY trustworthy' bit. Today the '3/4' thing stood out to me but there's a lot of alts so I didn't actually clock that this was from the same person until I re-read the thread this evening. When I realized that I was like HUH maybe there's something there.

*makes a signalling case**admits to not liking signalling cases.*My thinking is this one way too brazenly silly to be scum.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

Honestly Tennes, if you're not scum, then my vibe scanner is so off, I might aswell go and live in a shoe box and never play mafia again. Although I'm not tiny enough for a shoe box. Hmm. As soon as anyone start making up ridiculous claims after barely one day, over analyzing word choices claiming symp, I get major scum vibes. Actually my radar is going off like crazy right now. Beep Beep BEEP.First you vote Skintick for absolutely no reason, then take the vote away for even less. Trying to seem like town so much, you might aswell have a giant 'scum' sign above your head. Just saying. I guess you could be poking for the sake of poking, and as such randomness can work sometimes, but I'm not really convinced that's your motive. I can SMELL you. Huh. ALSO can we PLEASE have some normal vote counting - the current vote counting is confusing as fuck. Also I don't want to have to keep counting how many votes are necessary - would Path-fucker please give an update with that. Pfff. Back to Tennes the scum scummery scum. Did you really hover over Skintick like a giant hovercrafting hovercraft sent to hover, and didn't think nobody would notice? Care to explain yourself hover-over-er?

hmmm...this is interesting.I don't think what Tennes has said/done really warrants this level of backlash. I can understand a mild amount of scrutiny (as I have myself indicated)... But you seem to really be going at him quite hard.So the question for me os...Are you a symp jumping to someone he has scrutinised's rescue by deflecting onto him?...or simply the village idiot jumping the gun with his "vibe scanner"?Either way...food for thought.

To be continued on last time...

Strangely, Rikkter says that Shel was attacking Tennes, but the two posts they quoted seem to disprove their point. The second post is quite literally Shel defending Tennes, and the first post explains one of the things Rikkter was confused about (Shel not voting for Tennes).

Rikkter, on 17 May 2020 - 06:23 PM, said:

Tennes shows a strong interest in the Merrid case (our healer), pestering Okral to cough up more details on this in particular. Much more notable after Merrid's CF.

Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 13 May 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

Seems to be a done deal, but at least I can rest in peace, knowing that I was 100% right to be nervous about posting much early (I like being right!). So far, everyone who has been under serious suspicion has primarily just been guilty of being active. Sometimes, a duck is just a duck. I did say I would vote though. So, for being soooo perfectly mild mannered and unobtrusive...Vote Merrid

You're not helping your case. Stop talking about how nervous you are and do something useful instead. You said you were nervous about posting tangible stuff too early. If you're Town, it is never too early for information. Yes, sticking your neck out might come back to haunt you. Tough luck. Everyone wants to survive but at the end of the day you don't win if you live to the end of the game, you win if your team wins.It looks like you're getting lynched today and for a good reason but if you're actually town, you still have 3 hours or so to post something useful. Build a case. Share your notes. Give the team something to work with on the following day if you actually flip town.You think Merrid is scum? Cool! Now tell us why, so we can follow that thread in the future, instead of posting this asinine shit about how right you were.

This point doesn't make much sense to me. The main thrust of their post isn't about getting Okral to give information on Merrid, it's trying to get Okral to post something remotely useful.

Rikkter, on 17 May 2020 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 17 May 2020 - 07:31 PM, said:

I don't have time to post much until tomorrow but this is some galaxy brain logic to think I was deflecting from Thyr all the time to then cast a vote that tipped the scale on them.

I voted Thyr on D2 when the votes were 4/4/2 between Ven, Thyr, and Hanas. If I were scum, I would need to be out of my mind to switch to Thyr at that point.

No, actually you wouldn't be out of your mind at all. There are probably at least 3 people who will show up as scum on a CF this game. Taking opportunities to distance is a hallmark of scum play. What better way to distance than to join early on to a lynch train on the first scum. You read the room correctly, that Thyr was careening toward a lynch despite all your efforts to derail and redirect suspicion. This was all made worse by the inability to SL to get another separate train up to speed, although the Hanas train was promising (something you noted when you did vote for Thyr).

Your behavior is a reasonable, cold calculation, and unfortunately you overdid the defense/derailment attempts for Thyr, making it abundantly apparent on a careful reread. And so quotable. I doubt you will be able to untie yourself from all your own words protecting Thyr, but I will be amused to watch you try.

Seems super WIFOM to me. Sure, it would have been a good move for scum, but it also would have been a good move for a town player.

As Shel has pointed out, Thyr's comment on Rikkter is also odd. For now, I'll put a vote on Rikkter.

Vote Rikkter

I understand not agreeing with a case, but this vote seems like an overreaction and a deliberate prop up of a case to divert from the Tennes case. Ending with the comment about Thyr mentioning Rikkter - completely side stepping the fact that Thyr VOTED for FANDERAY before he got lynched. That's worth a lot more scrutiny than a random comment - so talk about hypocritical. My vote on tennes stands.

Edit: for got 'a' in apologize

This post has been edited by Aranatha: 18 May 2020 - 08:19 PM

[Kilava]

oh I have been reading reading reading. I am not done with full reread but case incoming. oh yes, case incoming...

[Aranatha]

Fix the votes please PS.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

I understand not agreeing with a case, but this vote seems like an overreaction and a deliberate prop up of a case to divert from the Tennes case. Ending with the comment about Thyr mentioning Rikkter - completely side stepping the fact that Thyr VOTED for FANDERAY before he got lynched. That's worth a lot more scrutiny than a random comment - so talk about hypocritical. My vote on tennes stands.

Edit: for got 'a' in apologize

You either missed the entire discussion on this or You have no clue what WIFOM is

I’m thinking It’s the latter

[Barghast]

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

look at Barghast's reason to vote Rikkter - it seems more that he thinks Rikkter plays the game too well. What kind of argument even is that?

In-between lines of what did you read that?

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 08:26 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

I understand not agreeing with a case, but this vote seems like an overreaction and a deliberate prop up of a case to divert from the Tennes case. Ending with the comment about Thyr mentioning Rikkter - completely side stepping the fact that Thyr VOTED for FANDERAY before he got lynched. That's worth a lot more scrutiny than a random comment - so talk about hypocritical. My vote on tennes stands.

Edit: for got 'a' in apologize

You either missed the entire discussion on this or You have no clue what WIFOM is

I’m thinking It’s the latter

If you say so Sweetie.

[Aranatha]

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 08:29 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

look at Barghast's reason to vote Rikkter - it seems more that he thinks Rikkter plays the game too well. What kind of argument even is that?

In-between lines of what did you read that?

If it's not a correct assessment, then what's the real case against Rikkter then? Because I don't see it atm.

[Aranatha]

I'll be around before the day ends unless something unforeseen happens.