[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Aptorian, on 08 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

Just read the gyms are going to be closed until August in Denmark. Mah GAINS!

I've been trying to exercise at home with dumbbels and a small EZ-bar but it's just not the same.

I NEED TO LIFT HEAVY WEIGHTS!

'I wanted to show everyone how badly being sedated for 6 weeks on a ventilator or intubated can be. Amongst other things, covid19 reduced my lung capacity with pneumonia. Over 8 weeks I’ve been away from family and friends Getting stronger everyday and working to increase my lung capacity.'

https://www.facebook...&type=3

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 16 May 2020 - 04:09 PM

[Gust Hubb]

Azath Vitr (D, on 16 May 2020 - 04:08 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 08 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

Just read the gyms are going to be closed until August in Denmark. Mah GAINS!

I've been trying to exercise at home with dumbbels and a small EZ-bar but it's just not the same.

I NEED TO LIFT HEAVY WEIGHTS!

'I wanted to show everyone how badly being sedated for 6 weeks on a ventilator or intubated can be. Amongst other things, covid19 reduced my lung capacity with pneumonia. Over 8 weeks I’ve been away from family and friends Getting stronger everyday and working to increase my lung capacity.'

https://www.facebook...&type=3

Holy crap man. I am so sorry that happened and glad you made it through. Being on the ventilator for COVID is not a good sign when it happens.

[Aptorian]

I dont think Azath is posting his own Facebook account, Gust.

But the gym closures are definitely frustrating for gymgoers.

One of my favourite bodybuilders, Luke Sandoe, commited suicide a few weeks ago and it can't be ignored the Crisis probably had something to do with it.

Here's a random, terribly formatted article on him. Guy was a beast:

https://heavy.com/sp...ke-sandoe-dead/

[Mentalist]

I am annoyed I won't get to swim until July at the earliest.

I've been taking advantage of sunny weekends to hit the bike as hard as I can.It's no substitute to doing 2 clicks twice a week at the pool, and my cardio endurance feels like crap; but it's something.

I've resolved not to look at a scale until the lockdown is over. I don't feel like crap (working from home, I basically eliminated "lunch" as a meal, I just drink tea all day with occasional fruit/sandwich, and long lines at the liquor store mean I'm not drinking that much, so this quasi-diet might be offsetting lack of serious exercise; But I don't wanna know any specifics.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Gust Hubb, on 16 May 2020 - 06:04 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 16 May 2020 - 04:08 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 08 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

Just read the gyms are going to be closed until August in Denmark. Mah GAINS!

I've been trying to exercise at home with dumbbels and a small EZ-bar but it's just not the same.

I NEED TO LIFT HEAVY WEIGHTS!

'I wanted to show everyone how badly being sedated for 6 weeks on a ventilator or intubated can be. Amongst other things, covid19 reduced my lung capacity with pneumonia. Over 8 weeks I've been away from family and friends Getting stronger everyday and working to increase my lung capacity.'

https://www.facebook...&type=3

Holy crap man. I am so sorry that happened and glad you made it through. Being on the ventilator for COVID is not a good sign when it happens.

For a moment there I thought I might have forgotten the quotation marks. Thankfully not me.

Personally, I injured my right wrist practicing music excessively (mostly the Seaboard), so I've been doing everything with my left hand (since I'm right handed this helps with concision, when not copying and pasting). After about a month I thought it was mostly better, so when my bulk supply of toilet paper and kitty litter arrived in a single gigantic box I decided to carry it to my apartment instead of putting it on a roller, which was incredibly foolish. Might be another month before it heals.

My elderly parents tell me that toilet paper is still almost impossible to find at local stores. Amazon had bulk 'professional toilet paper' available for a decent price provided I got 60 rolls. By the time I told my parents about it, it was sold out again.

My father's been worried about losing muscle mass and anxious for the gyms to reopen. Should send him these photos.

OTOH my six pack has been looking better than ever. Turns out those electric muscle stimulators actually work (on already visible abdominal muscles, at least).

[LinearPhilosopher]

I dont supposed any of tthe medically inclined people here can opine as to how trustworthy this article is

https://theconversat...obox=1589490211

[Cause]

As far as I know that’s all accurate. Initially the us and The Who advises against wearing masks because as the article points out it doesn’t really protect the average person on the street from everyone else.

However if everyone wears the masks what they are doing is protecting others from themselves. So it only helps if everyone does it. Hence the need to enforce it.

In trying to prevent average people on the street from buying out and hoarding all the medical PPE The Who and the cdc and us government unintentionally gave out a bad message. The message is now cover your moth with anything, it’s about protecting others from your mouth so anything can work. Doctors testing covid 19 patients need the PPE to protect themselves from their patients so they need the good stuff.

Sadly the PPE messaging in general is abysmal. I see grocery store workers, mailmen etc all wear gloves. Gloves only work if they are used temporarily. If you wear the same pair all day you might as well not bother. Today i saw my post woman rub her eyes with her gloves hands. Who knows how many surfaces she touched today with her gloves, so they did nothing. Similarly I see people wear their masks incorrectly, touch them constantly, lower them below their nose or even mouths for a break etc. so that’s a few reasons amongst many why they not helping the average person.

But covering your mouth is something small we can all do to prevent basically breathing our germs and viruses on other people

[Aptorian]

Seeing a bunch of stories about people being angry borders are still closed around Europe because they want to go shopping or on vacation. It's like these dumb fucks don't get that people traveling to and from other countries is what started this mess.

Sweden wants Denmark to reopen our border to them because we already opened towards Germany. Well guess what, Germany took the virus serious and their death count isn't still climbing, you dumb blondes. Sweden is actually calling this discrimination.

This is why we can't have nice things.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 17 May 2020 - 08:51 AM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Not sure how significant this is:
'Eight patients who were administered Moderna’s vaccine were found to have antibody levels similar to those in blood samples of people who have recovered from Covid-19, according to early results from the study conducted by the National Institutes of Health.

All 45 participants in the study were given three different doses of the vaccine and Moderna said it saw dose-dependent increase in immunogenicity, the ability to provoke an immune response in the body.'

https://www.scmp.com...s-promise-after

Seems to be being treated as a huge story by financial news, but barely reported elsewhere. (Or maybe the real story is that the US stock market is surging up again this morning, and they want to provide a rational and optimistic explanation?...)

[Aptorian]

Today was the first opening day for my Library.

We'd planned everything like we were prepared for a zombie Invasion. Red tape coridors to funnel people into a line. Stations with sanitizer. Separate doors for entry and exit. Three people to watch the doors and floor. And most importantly a booking system was used to ensure we didn't get overcrowded.

The actual result? We had about the usual amount of visitors and we mostly just stood around feeling bored.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 18 May 2020 - 02:39 PM

[amphibian]

Feeling bored is the best result. It means that the protocols are working and capacity isn't being reached.

[Malankazooie]

Well, this sort of answers a question, yeah? (unless there were mistakes). I've a feeling this autumn/winter is going to be a doozy.

Sailors on sidelined USS Theodore Roosevelt infected with the coronavirus for second time

[Mezla PigDog]

Azath Vitr (D, on 15 May 2020 - 03:33 PM, said:

'Asked whether they plan to get vaccinated against COVID-19 if and when a vaccine arrives, a majority of Americans (55 percent) say yes.

The rest — a significant minority — say they won’t get vaccinated (19 percent) or they’re not sure (26 percent).

Thinking about this I put myself in the 26%. I would put myself in the 55% if the question was "Do you plan to get a coronavirus vaccine when it is proven safe and effective?" Not to scaremonger but there will never have been a vaccine developed so quickly or under so much political pressure. And in the UK I don't trust the politicians we have in charge at the moment or what they have done to our civil servants who would be approving it. I have never read detailed scientific vaccine literature and I trust the basic science and will be more trusting assuming a covid one is based on existing proven science adapted for this virus but I think I'll be doing a lot of reading before I get this one if it comes about quickly. Not to satisfy myself of the science so much but to understand if it really is based on proven vaccines enough so as to mitigate the risk from unhealthy political interference with the fast tracking.

Some healthy scepticism is the right and sensible thing. The vaccine developers and then the manufacturers will be under immense pressure (and I assume incentive in some cases). Of course you expect the regulatory pathway to be robust but those individuals will be under immense pressure too. I do feel that a lot of the "good news" on development fronts is more for stock markets than for individuals at the moment. Some of the Oxford Profs in the UK news I wonder if they are just doing it to see their pension investments improve, the optimism is quite frightening to me as a scientist.

And let's face it. Fast track vaccine made under undue political influence is totally how a zombie apocalypse starts.

[Malankazooie]

[Cause]

@mezla I agree with you that all this fast tracking is worrying. In my job interview one of the scientists made a comment that it was amazing to see how quickly the science on covid was moving and that every day there was a new paper. I said that I found it a bit frightening and just hoped that the peer review (when it’s happening at all, lots of information is bypassing it) was still rigorous.

That said outside of a bad immune reaction I’m not sure if I can see a significant danger in even a faulty vaccine but I haven’t given it much thought yet I must admit.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'if a vaccine elicits an immune response that misses the target cells, the result could potentially be worse than if no vaccine was given.

"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," Professor Frazer said.

"So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."

[...] vaccine was tested with SARS in 2003 and resulted in reinfected lab monkeys having a nasty immune response, which is why many groups working on a vaccine for Sars-CoV-2 are going for a very specific antibody response.

Professor Frazer said the narrow, targeted approach is fine, unless you pick the wrong specific antigen — the substance that stimulates an immune response which antibodies bind to — in which case you could end up with the same problem.'

https://www.abc.net....NjIMOuFacFsJ9xI

Moderna:

'These initial results are based on tests of the low and medium doses. The only adverse effect at those doses was redness and soreness in one patient’s arm where the shot was given.

But at the highest dose, three patients had fever, muscle pains and headaches, Dr. Zaks said, adding that the symptoms went away after a day.

But the high dose is being eliminated from future studies, not so much because of the side effects, but because the lower doses appeared to work so well that the high dose is not needed.

[...] Moderna uses genetic material — messenger RNA — to make vaccines, and the company has nine others in various stages of development, including several for viruses that cause respiratory illnesses. But no vaccine made with this technology has yet reached the market.'

https://www.nytimes....hY6-kwq0eGbjcaU

[QuickTidal]

Oof, Premier announced schools in Ontario will not reopen this year, will reopen in the fall. This sucks for graduating students. I expect everyone else will get caught up with time and effort...

No real word on Daycare's reopening yet, just some talk about how they might do it when they do it...but yeah, nada, so our kids are home for at least the remainder of may, possibly some of June.

67 days now cooped up.

[Aptorian]

I miss my couch. It was nice getting paid full salary for about a handful of hours of work a week, tops.

I'm baffled by the news here in Denmark and communication from the government. Everything is opening fast and I'm not seeing much caution from people around me. Yet the government keeps saying that the infection rate is still falling and they don't believe a second wave is likely to happen.

Maybe two months of fear mongering just made me sceptical but thiiis doesn't seem right. I'm waiting for a surge.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 19 May 2020 - 07:47 PM

[Mezla PigDog]

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2020 - 06:11 PM, said:

67 days now cooped up.

Urgh.

My sons nursery are working to a 1st June reopening. I think it will be 70 days by then. Various changes are being discussed. I am not really expecting any of the measures to protect our household from infection. Definitely not convinced it is the right thing for the nursery staff so we are just keeping an open mind to pull him back out if it starts to feel more wrong. The majority part of me is approaching it like it won't happen at all as I think UK cases are going to start rising exponentially again soon. So hard as an individual to decide what is right. Which I think is the UK governments plan.

[Macros]

there will totally be a surge. Pubs reopen in spain soon, just what for that shit fight to explode