[Cause]

Did the show ever mention why the hound hates his brother? That he burnt his face when he was playing with his toy?

[worry]

That's one of the soapy things about the show. People standing there making facial expressions at what is going on around them. It's like The Californians. In the early seasons the dialogue more than made up for it. In these past few, it's been hit and miss, and this season especially they don't even bother writing dialogue. They're fortunate Headey is such a good actress cuz she at least did what she could.

[Malankazooie]

I gotta say, some of the 'sword biting flesh' scenes were pretty brutal. The shoulder/clavicle cleave is one that will stay with me for awhile.

[worry]

Yah and that dude getting both his hands chopped off. He was like "I want to do the Home Alone face because my hands just got chopped off, but i can't do it because my hands just got chopped off!"

[Coco with marshmallows]

Sooo.....dunno how likely true (or not) this is, but...

Go to 31.40:

[Slow Ben]

Coco with marshmallows, on 13 May 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

Sooo.....dunno how likely true (or not) this is, but...

Go to 31.40:

https://www.youtube....h?v=FeftoI3c81c

I'm gonna go ahead and set myself up for disappointment and hope its true.

Well, it was short lived, a quick google search squashes my dreams.

This post has been edited by Slow Ben: 14 May 2019 - 12:52 AM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Slow Ben, on 14 May 2019 - 12:50 AM, said:

Coco with marshmallows, on 13 May 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

Sooo.....dunno how likely true (or not) this is, but...

Go to 31.40:

https://www.youtube....h?v=FeftoI3c81c

I'm gonna go ahead and set myself up for disappointment and hope its true.

GRRM responded that it's false, and... he hasn't written any of ADoS yet,---won't start until TWoW is finished....

If D&D had access to GRRM's dialogue, they would have used it, and the show wouldn't have sucked so much. Barristan-actor might be thinking of the first version of TWoW which GRRM scrapped because he thought it wasn't good enough (to publish---HBO is a different story... 'it's not a novel, it's HBO').

'I have said it before: don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

Except here, of course.'

http://georgerrmarti...n-the-internet/

[Malankazooie]

[Maark Abbott]

Well, that was crap. Rushed, insensible in places, fights tacked in just to close characters off. Unsatisfying. Analacritous. UNREADY.

[Cause]

Maark Abbott, on 14 May 2019 - 07:06 AM, said:

Unsatisfying. Analacritous. UNREADY.

The Words of House D&D

[Maark Abbott]

Cause, on 14 May 2019 - 07:52 AM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 14 May 2019 - 07:06 AM, said:

Unsatisfying. Analacritous. UNREADY.

The Words of House D&D

Time for High House Hydra to come back methinks

[QuickTidal]

According to GRRM himself the ending of the books is like this, but it also SEEMS like the TV episodes since the defeat of the Night King are basically The Scouring of the Shire (second to last chapter in ROTK). They've defeated Sauron, and they return home to find they have to deal with the human enemy in their midst still (Saruman), and taking the whole Hobbit/Shire notion of "If we don't bother people, they won't bother us" and trash it into irrelevance. As such, they defeated the world-ending threat (Night King/WW's) and now they are dealing with their human threats (Cersei, Dany).

[Gorefest]

A bit odd in that case that the world-ending threat has made less victims than the mop-up threat, both in total numbers as well as in main characters. Euron alone has done almost more damage to our beloved cast then the whole White Walker army and NK combined.


I wonder when Bronn is going to call in for Highgarden. I'd love to see that conversation. "Yeah, I was promised Highgarden if I didn't kill Jaime Lannister." "But Jaime Lannister is dead." "Well, I didn't kill him. Castle please."

[QuickTidal]

Gorefest, on 14 May 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

A bit odd in that case that the world-ending threat has made less victims than the mop-up threat, both in total numbers as well as in main characters. Euron alone has done almost more damage to our beloved cast then the whole White Walker army and NK combined.

I don't think he said it would be a direct analogy...merely what he was aiming for with his ending.

If we're honest, the whole thing is ripped off from Tad Williams anyways.

[Abyss]

I thought it was... fine.

Varys... meh. There used to be the suggestion there was a cabal behind Varys who wanted 'what was best for the kingdom', but all we got here was one sneaky guy whose bestest friend had a crisis of conscience.

Tyrion... should really just stop now and stick to drinking and whoring because pricesly nothing is working out the way he plans. At all.


Zany Dany was always a possibility... i kind of hope they step back from it next ep, but it wasn't utterly random. I was ok w it.

Drogon just murderizing the fleet and defences... see THAT is why the Targaryens were badasses, and without the surprise ambush nonsense, this worked and was even great to watch at points. Pun intended.

Euron v Jaime... unnecessary. Wasn't even a good fight. Two characters who were way better than the endings written for them.

Jon... oh look, useless and ineffective and an emo mess. Again.

Grey Worm does a great vengeful face.

Arya... i get all the reasoning behind her last conversation with Sandor and turning away and the significance of her not finishing The List, but even so, that scene just rang contrived. Her run through KL while Dany was busy bbq'ing the place was suitably brutal.

Cleganebowl... pretty much played out the way i expected. Satisfying. I liked the last bits when Gregor went for the head-squeeze, Sandor stabbed him thru the brain, and then big suicide wall fall flames splat. Appropriate end for both.

Qyburn... appropriate... would have liked a little more.

Cersei... after all this time and her sheer willful rise to the Iron Throne, taking out enemy after enemy, i expected more than a lot of standing there watching everything fall apart. Her being pregnant, we were never going to have that moment where Jaime kinslayer's her, so all things considered, this was an acceptable end for them both, i would like to have seen her fight harder against it tho'.

[Gorefest]

Also, if this last bit is just mop-up, that basically means that the whole Jon Snow character and his Targaryen/Stark ancestry has been totally irrelevant. He did bugger-all in the NK/White Walker apocalypse fight and he did bugger-all in the KL destruction. So if he ends up sitting the throne it would be because, what? His heritage? The fact that everyone in Westeros loves him so much? Begs the question why they would love him in the first place, considering his total lack of making any real impact in the series apart from returning from the dead and getting the wildlings and the Northmen to work together. Wildlings and Nothmen does not the whole of Westeros make. Why would the Dornish, the Stormlands or the Westerlands accept him? An epic square-off against Dany might help some way towards this, but it does leave you wondering what all the R+L=J stuff was really about.

[QuickTidal]

Gorefest, on 14 May 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

Also, if this last bit is just mop-up, that basically means that the whole Jon Snow character and his Targaryen/Stark ancestry has been totally irrelevant. He did bugger-all in the NK/White Walker apocalypse fight and he did bugger-all in the KL destruction. So if he ends up sitting the throne it would be because, what? His heritage? The fact that everyone in Westeros loves him so much? Begs the question why they would love him in the first place, considering his total lack of making any real impact in the series apart from returning from the dead and getting the wildlings and the Northmen to work together. Wildlings and Nothmen does not the whole of Westeros make. Why would the Dornish, the Stormlands or the Westerlands accept him? An epic square-off against Dany might help some way towards this, but it does leave you wondering what all the R+L=J stuff was really about.

Because it is those in the Targ ancestry who don't really want the throne, who are best at sitting on it.

See: Egg.

Abyss, on 14 May 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

Varys... meh. There used to be the suggestion there was a cabal behind Varys who wanted 'what was best for the kingdom', but all we got here was one sneaky guy whose bestest friend had a crisis of conscience.

I did like the VERY subtle context of his conversation with the little girl. "She's not eating" and Varys makes a frowny face....because he was trying to POISON HER (Dany). I missed that context on my first watch.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 14 May 2019 - 02:22 PM

[Tattersail_]

Gorefest, on 14 May 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

Also, if this last bit is just mop-up, that basically means that the whole Jon Snow character and his Targaryen/Stark ancestry has been totally irrelevant. He did bugger-all in the NK/White Walker apocalypse fight and he did bugger-all in the KL destruction. So if he ends up sitting the throne it would be because, what? His heritage? The fact that everyone in Westeros loves him so much? Begs the question why they would love him in the first place, considering his total lack of making any real impact in the series apart from returning from the dead and getting the wildlings and the Northmen to work together. Wildlings and Nothmen does not the whole of Westeros make. Why would the Dornish, the Stormlands or the Westerlands accept him? An epic square-off against Dany might help some way towards this, but it does leave you wondering what all the R+L=J stuff was really about.

Initial's for his father and mother. That was meant to be the big reveal at one stage which it was to those who wouldn't have worked it out. He is the rightful heir to the throne, so there should be no dispute if Varys has sent out all his little birds/messages.

They didn't quite make that clear.

One episode to wrap everything up seems ridiculous.

[Gorefest]

Tattersail_, on 14 May 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

Initial's for his father and mother.

I know what it means, obviously. I just mean that it seems utterly pointless now in how things are playing out.

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He is the rightful heir to the throne, so there should be no dispute if Varys has sent out all his little birds/messages.

He is only the rightful heir if you accept that the Targs are somehow 'meant' to sit on the throne. In that case he does have the best claim. But the throne has changed hands multiple time through conquest and the Targs don't have some sort of mythical age-old claim on it. The last rightful sitters by conquest are the Baratheons, which makes Gendry the rightful ruler. If you accept the conquest angle, it is Dany who leads the troops who capture the throne back so she is now the rightful ruler. Jon being the direct descendant of Rhaegar doesn't mean much anymore in that respect. He has done nothing to make a difference, really. Arya killed the NK, Dany destroyed Cersei and King's Landing. Jon did...what? Look forlorn and emo. The citizens of Westeros should be glad that he doesn't want the throne; he'd be downright useless on it.

[Tattersail_]

Gorefest, on 14 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 14 May 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

Initial's for his father and mother.

I know what it means, obviously. I just mean that it seems utterly pointless now in how things are playing out.

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He is the rightful heir to the throne, so there should be no dispute if Varys has sent out all his little birds/messages.

He is only the rightful heir if you accept that the Targs are somehow 'meant' to sit on the throne. In that case he does have the best claim. But the throne has changed hands multiple time through conquest and the Targs don't have some sort of mythical age-old claim on it. The last rightful sitters by conquest are the Baratheons, which makes Gendry the rightful ruler. If you accept the conquest angle, it is Dany who leads the troops who capture the throne back so she is now the rightful ruler. Jon being the direct descendant of Rhaegar doesn't mean much anymore in that respect. He has done nothing to make a difference, really. Arya killed the NK, Dany destroyed Cersei and King's Landing. Jon did...what? Look forlorn and emo. The citizens of Westeros should be glad that he doesn't want the throne; he'd be downright useless on it.

He's a"people's" champion. Everyone who has met him likes his integrity and passion. He might not be the cleverest, he might trust too easily but he isn't innocent, he knows how to listen to his followers and he'd be a good peaceful ruler. With him on the Throne he can make Sansa Warden of the North, but also wouldn't give a shit if she wanted to be Queen. He'd be like, yeah go ahead and be Queen. Does anyone else have an army that can oppose him now if he becomes King?