[D'rek]

Tapper, on 21 March 2019 - 05:20 AM, said:

D'rek, can you add a trade with me for Shields Holding during your turn? In the rush, I forgot it yesterday but it is for you.

I forgot too! Done!

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

[Tattersail_]

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

I have no choice but to activate Corneeq on my next action, I can't have you keep munching up my territory.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

I have no choice but to activate Corneeq on my next action, I can't have you keep munching up my territory.

Ehhh, I'm sure you're planning to build in both Jord and Resculon. You could do the Jord build first while waiting for me to vacate.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

I have no choice but to activate Corneeq on my next action, I can't have you keep munching up my territory.

Ehhh, I'm sure you're planning to build in both Jord and Resculon. You could do the Jord build first while waiting for me to vacate.

I could, but you could also use leadership secondary, increase fleet supply and move into Corneeq with your homeworld ships. I have no guarantee from you anymore. You don't agree to anything, we could have haggled cost of doing business but you decided to be vague and then use the non binding loop hole.

So what are you proposing?

I see a way in where you leave 1 fighter behind and you'll get TG's for it. That's 4 extra for you. What's in it for me?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

I have no choice but to activate Corneeq on my next action, I can't have you keep munching up my territory.

Ehhh, I'm sure you're planning to build in both Jord and Resculon. You could do the Jord build first while waiting for me to vacate.

I could, but you could also use leadership secondary, increase fleet supply and move into Corneeq with your homeworld ships. I have no guarantee from you anymore. You don't agree to anything, we could have haggled cost of doing business but you decided to be vague and then use the non binding loop hole.

So what are you proposing?

I see a way in where you leave 1 fighter behind and you'll get TG's for it. That's 4 extra for you. What's in it for me?

If you move in now, I'll get 4 TGs too, so not sure I follow your logic.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

D, on 21 March 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

D, on 19 March 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 March 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

ah what's the difference on your turn or mine?

Aye, what's the difference. So let's stick with my original interpretation.

By the way Tatts, the real answer to "what's the difference on your turn or mine?" was that one is a binding deal and the other is not.


As it turns out, squids don't negotiate with terrorists but they have no objections to lying for the sake of... well, not dying. Ordinarily I'd feel bad about it, but I just got deal-broken and invaded by IH, myself, so I'm not really in a position to let remorse guide my actions. I'm still not planning to attack you this round, but I'm not going to pay you for it. I do also plan to pull the troops out of Corneeq as part of the retaking of Bereg/Lirta, but I couldn't risk doing it this turn and thus leaving my homeworld open to IH (or, for that matter, to the possibility of you having In the Silence of Space and this was all a ruse).

I knew you'd do it. In the end I thought I'd extend a little trust.

You could have moved all ships from corneeq to your hw. Gravity drive for carrier, destroyer moves twice same as fighters.

Yes, but if I had I wouldn't have been able to build much of anything due to fleet supply, and then wouldn't have enough forces to take back Berita

I have no choice but to activate Corneeq on my next action, I can't have you keep munching up my territory.

Ehhh, I'm sure you're planning to build in both Jord and Resculon. You could do the Jord build first while waiting for me to vacate.

I could, but you could also use leadership secondary, increase fleet supply and move into Corneeq with your homeworld ships. I have no guarantee from you anymore. You don't agree to anything, we could have haggled cost of doing business but you decided to be vague and then use the non binding loop hole.

So what are you proposing?

I see a way in where you leave 1 fighter behind and you'll get TG's for it. That's 4 extra for you. What's in it for me?

If you move in now, I'll get 4 TGs too, so not sure I follow your logic.

I have a provisional to move in now and don't care that you get the TG's. I'm saying if you want me to wait then I want 2 TG's from you on my turn and 2 on your turn when you move, and you leave a fighter behind to get back the cost.

[D'rek]

Nope, we still don't negotiate with terrorists, Tatts. I'm all for peace, but if you want to resume hostilities so be it.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 21 March 2019 - 01:00 PM, said:

Nope, we still don't negotiate with terrorists, Tatts. I'm all for peace, but if you want to resume hostilities so be it.

Ha ha ha, i've been the one for peace during the whole game. You are the terrorist capturing my home world and attacking me all game. Funny.

[twelve]

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

I wish I could.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

To be fair, the game ending on such an anti-climactic note would suit it to the hilt: imho, this was collectively probably our worst run so far. Only D'rek and IH play very well, and Morgoth doesn't make mistakes but is mainly profiting from peace and quiet.

I think your game more or less went of the rails at the starting tech and through a few gambles and tangles with D'rek.
Tatts' game went of the rails when he selected that corner of space and Sol.
My game first took a turn for the worst when I decided I would utilize my great starting position as a defensive fortress instead of a base of expansion, and went further south through my deal with IH.
Nom didn't get much chance to do anything wrong except perhaps his racial selection after it became clear he'd neighbour Blend.
Blend plain and simple allowed himself to be outbuilt by a player with fewer resources and fewer starting strength and didn't negotiate from a position of strength. Also, choosing the wrong tech.
Gnaw doesn't do much wrong, but both this game and last he also doesn't seem to play for victory but for territory.

[Blend]

Tapper, on 21 March 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

To be fair, the game ending on such an anti-climactic note would suit it to the hilt: imho, this was collectively probably our worst run so far. Only D'rek and IH play very well, and Morgoth doesn't make mistakes but is mainly profiting from peace and quiet.

I think your game more or less went of the rails at the starting tech and through a few gambles and tangles with D'rek.
Tatts' game went of the rails when he selected that corner of space and Sol.
My game first took a turn for the worst when I decided I would utilize my great starting position as a defensive fortress instead of a base of expansion, and went further south through my deal with IH.
Nom didn't get much chance to do anything wrong except perhaps his racial selection after it became clear he'd neighbour Blend.
Blend plain and simple allowed himself to be outbuilt by a player with fewer resources and fewer starting strength and didn't negotiate from a position of strength. Also, choosing the wrong tech.
Gnaw doesn't do much wrong, but both this game and last he also doesn't seem to play for victory but for territory.

And Tapper did nothing except fuck with me for no benefit to himself - you're just as far away from a win as most of the people on your list, Tapper.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 21 March 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

Tapper, on 21 March 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

To be fair, the game ending on such an anti-climactic note would suit it to the hilt: imho, this was collectively probably our worst run so far. Only D'rek and IH play very well, and Morgoth doesn't make mistakes but is mainly profiting from peace and quiet.

I think your game more or less went of the rails at the starting tech and through a few gambles and tangles with D'rek.
Tatts' game went of the rails when he selected that corner of space and Sol.
My game first took a turn for the worst when I decided I would utilize my great starting position as a defensive fortress instead of a base of expansion, and went further south through my deal with IH.
Nom didn't get much chance to do anything wrong except perhaps his racial selection after it became clear he'd neighbour Blend.
Blend plain and simple allowed himself to be outbuilt by a player with fewer resources and fewer starting strength and didn't negotiate from a position of strength. Also, choosing the wrong tech.
Gnaw doesn't do much wrong, but both this game and last he also doesn't seem to play for victory but for territory.

And Tapper did nothing except fuck with me for no benefit to himself - you're just as far away from a win as most of the people on your list, Tapper.

He's on his list

[Itwæs Nom]

Last minute catching up for math test which is in 3 hours so will get to my turn afterwards

[Galactic Council]

I think I've had a pretty successful game so far.

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 21 March 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

Blend, on 21 March 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

Tapper, on 21 March 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 21 March 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

Ah, Gnaw, we had a trade deal did we not. 1 tg this round and your trade PN the next, yes?

Gnaw. Do NOT give him your trade agreement PN. If you do Morgoth wins. He scores the trade PO and I'm sure a secret objective this round and with IH probably giving anyone other than himself the speaker token that will guarantee Morgoth gets Imperial again. And he can build War Suns which means he's keeping Rex.Would everyone stop fucking around with each other and focus on taking out Morgoth.

To be fair, the game ending on such an anti-climactic note would suit it to the hilt: imho, this was collectively probably our worst run so far. Only D'rek and IH play very well, and Morgoth doesn't make mistakes but is mainly profiting from peace and quiet.

I think your game more or less went of the rails at the starting tech and through a few gambles and tangles with D'rek.
Tatts' game went of the rails when he selected that corner of space and Sol.
My game first took a turn for the worst when I decided I would utilize my great starting position as a defensive fortress instead of a base of expansion, and went further south through my deal with IH.
Nom didn't get much chance to do anything wrong except perhaps his racial selection after it became clear he'd neighbour Blend.
Blend plain and simple allowed himself to be outbuilt by a player with fewer resources and fewer starting strength and didn't negotiate from a position of strength. Also, choosing the wrong tech.
Gnaw doesn't do much wrong, but both this game and last he also doesn't seem to play for victory but for territory.

And Tapper did nothing except fuck with me for no benefit to himself - you're just as far away from a win as most of the people on your list, Tapper.

He's on his list

Huh... Too early in the morning. LoL. Anyway, I'm teching the way I am to meet the requirements of a Secret Objective - I'm going for VPs. So I think that judgment should maybe be reserved for post game. Frankly, my game would have been fine if Gnaw hadn't decided to take my HW for no benefit to himself except to fuck with me cause he didn't like the way I was negotiating with him.

[twelve]

That fiasco with the carrier and graviton lasars bs was the turning point definitely for me. I'd be in a really good spot if my gamble paid off. Not sure I agree with the starting tech. It was more Gnaw using Tech before I could afford it round 1 that was the problem so I couldn't get gravity Drive early.

I can see a path to set Morgoth way back and give someone else a shot at the win but it would require Gnaw and Blend and IH and D'rek to stop fighting each other and turn on Morgoth. That space port near Rex needs to go as well. Anyone have any suggestions?

[Blend]

twelve, on 21 March 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

That fiasco with the carrier and graviton lasars bs was the turning point definitely for me. I'd be in a really good spot if my gamble paid off. Not sure I agree with the starting tech. It was more Gnaw using Tech before I could afford it round 1 that was the problem so I couldn't get gravity Drive early.

I can see a path to set Morgoth way back and give someone else a shot at the win but it would require Gnaw and Blend and IH and D'rek to stop fighting each other and turn on Morgoth. That space port near Rex needs to go as well. Anyone have any suggestions?

If you can get Gnaw to agree to peace with me, you'd be some kind of magician.

[Blend]

Do remember that someone just needs to win one fight against Morgoth to take away the Shard - that'll remove 1 VP from his increasing pool.