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#2681 User is offline   Imperial Historian 

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:02 AM

View PostTapper, on 17 March 2019 - 07:16 PM, said:

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View Posttwelve, on 16 March 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

Tapper what's the cost for a free refresh? And are you using trade early?


Votes, except (obviously) for Gnaw, and perhaps less obviously so for IH.
Timing is flexible, I am open to offers.

IH: free refresh if you do not pillage me this turn for the TGs paid to me for playing Trade and for transferring Shields Holding to D'rek.

Blend, Morgoth, D'rek, Twelve, Nom: 3 votes on an agenda of my choice in the upcoming agenda phase. Positive effects of said agenda(s) will target me, negative effects will not target anyone who gave votes for the refresh.

Gnaw: I would have happily accepted votes, but... well, Nekro. Let's work something out.

Whomever holds Tatts' Trade Agreement right now, for Tatts' TA:
3 of your votes on an Agenda of my choice during the next Agenda phase.
I will not accept Tatts' votes unless he owns his own PN right now.

Any negative effects of the chosen agenda(s) will not hurt the player holding Tatts' TA PN at this time.



You don't have commodities this turn right?

I hold morgoths trade PN, if you give us both refreshes I will not pillage you this turn.

Otherwise yes I will accept a free refresh for no pillage on those two trades.

For refreshing Morgoth, I want 3 votes, either yours or his, I am not picky.

For your own TG, a free refresh for no pillage on those two transactions (which is just one transaction, really: after all, I can transfer Shields Holding before I play Trade).

Alternatively, pillage all you want but give me 3 votes, same deal as everyone else, and I will refresh your TG for free.


Btw i'm assuming our deal where you exchange my commodities is still on?
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:05 AM

View PostBlend, on 17 March 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 17 March 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 16 March 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

Tapper what's the cost for a free refresh? And are you using trade early?


Votes, except (obviously) for Gnaw, and perhaps less obviously so for IH.
Timing is flexible, I am open to offers.

IH: free refresh if you do not pillage me this turn for the TGs paid to me for playing Trade and for transferring Shields Holding to D'rek.

Blend, Morgoth, D'rek, Twelve, Nom: 3 votes on an agenda of my choice in the upcoming agenda phase. Positive effects of said agenda(s) will target me, negative effects will not target anyone who gave votes for the refresh.

Gnaw: I would have happily accepted votes, but... well, Nekro. Let's work something out.

Whomever holds Tatts' Trade Agreement right now, for Tatts' TA:
3 of your votes on an Agenda of my choice during the next Agenda phase.
I will not accept Tatts' votes unless he owns his own PN right now.

Any negative effects of the chosen agenda(s) will not hurt the player holding Tatts' TA PN at this time.


I think I will be lucky if I even have 3 votes after this round, so I will pass.


Blend if tapper agrees I'll pay the 3 votes for you if you pay me 1 TG. I could exchange 2 tg for your 3 commodities instead if you are worried about exchanging them.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:28 AM

I have a provisional in with Khell, just waiting to see the outcome of IH's battle.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:46 AM

IH do you use the battle calculator? How do you feel with it's performance? Some battles I've calculated had me at 90 plus percent only to lose a shit load of ships in the process. I have you at very good odds to destroy her ships even if she announces retreat, but just wondering what you think.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:59 AM

It's as good as the data you put it. It gives a good idea of base probabilities but obviously doesn't account for the impact of action cards and different strategies very well.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:05 PM

And probability is just probability. You can roll 6000 sixes in a row on a regular die even though the chances of that happening are pretty low.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:15 PM

And you can have a 90 percent chance of winning and still lose a lot of ships.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:38 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 18 March 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

View PostBlend, on 17 March 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 17 March 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 16 March 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

Tapper what's the cost for a free refresh? And are you using trade early?


Votes, except (obviously) for Gnaw, and perhaps less obviously so for IH.
Timing is flexible, I am open to offers.

IH: free refresh if you do not pillage me this turn for the TGs paid to me for playing Trade and for transferring Shields Holding to D'rek.

Blend, Morgoth, D'rek, Twelve, Nom: 3 votes on an agenda of my choice in the upcoming agenda phase. Positive effects of said agenda(s) will target me, negative effects will not target anyone who gave votes for the refresh.

Gnaw: I would have happily accepted votes, but... well, Nekro. Let's work something out.

Whomever holds Tatts' Trade Agreement right now, for Tatts' TA:
3 of your votes on an Agenda of my choice during the next Agenda phase.
I will not accept Tatts' votes unless he owns his own PN right now.

Any negative effects of the chosen agenda(s) will not hurt the player holding Tatts' TA PN at this time.


I think I will be lucky if I even have 3 votes after this round, so I will pass.


Blend if tapper agrees I'll pay the 3 votes for you if you pay me 1 TG. I could exchange 2 tg for your 3 commodities instead if you are worried about exchanging them.


I dont have any TGs and am not likely to get any any time soon is the big problem.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:47 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 18 March 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

And you can have a 90 percent chance of winning and still lose a lot of ships.


Just look at all my fights with Khell in the first game.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

@Tapper my votes are as good as yours

View PostBlend, on 18 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 18 March 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

View PostBlend, on 17 March 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 17 March 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 16 March 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

Tapper what's the cost for a free refresh? And are you using trade early?


Votes, except (obviously) for Gnaw, and perhaps less obviously so for IH.
Timing is flexible, I am open to offers.

IH: free refresh if you do not pillage me this turn for the TGs paid to me for playing Trade and for transferring Shields Holding to D'rek.

Blend, Morgoth, D'rek, Twelve, Nom: 3 votes on an agenda of my choice in the upcoming agenda phase. Positive effects of said agenda(s) will target me, negative effects will not target anyone who gave votes for the refresh.

Gnaw: I would have happily accepted votes, but... well, Nekro. Let's work something out.

Whomever holds Tatts' Trade Agreement right now, for Tatts' TA:
3 of your votes on an Agenda of my choice during the next Agenda phase.
I will not accept Tatts' votes unless he owns his own PN right now.

Any negative effects of the chosen agenda(s) will not hurt the player holding Tatts' TA PN at this time.


I think I will be lucky if I even have 3 votes after this round, so I will pass.


Blend if tapper agrees I'll pay the 3 votes for you if you pay me 1 TG. I could exchange 2 tg for your 3 commodities instead if you are worried about exchanging them.


I dont have any TGs and am not likely to get any any time soon is the big problem.


Whatever are the exact results of my attack I'm willing to, for a price obviously, negotiate your war sun's safe return towards your homeworld via Mellon Zohbat by emptying it of any of my potential ships at the beginning of next round

Might even exchange commodities if we come to a mutually beneficial agreement, if that's possible between our kinds anyway
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:39 PM

@Gnaw yeah forgot about the sftt

Can I still edit it in since my fight hasn't been resolved anyway?
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:43 PM

View PostItwęs Nom, on 18 March 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

Whatever are the exact results of my attack I'm willing to, for a price obviously, negotiate your war sun's safe return towards your homeworld via Mellon Zohbat by emptying it of any of my potential ships at the beginning of next round

Might even exchange commodities if we come to a mutually beneficial agreement, if that's possible between our kinds anyway


I should be able to make it back to my homeworld without you having to empty M/Z. It's why I took Warfare this round.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:52 PM

View PostBlend, on 18 March 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 18 March 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

Whatever are the exact results of my attack I'm willing to, for a price obviously, negotiate your war sun's safe return towards your homeworld via Mellon Zohbat by emptying it of any of my potential ships at the beginning of next round

Might even exchange commodities if we come to a mutually beneficial agreement, if that's possible between our kinds anyway


I should be able to make it back to my homeworld without you having to empty M/Z. It's why I took Warfare this round.


Huh? Warfare only grants you plus one movement, even with gravity drive, flank speed and that plus one movement you'd have to be sure Gnaw does not block your way via Quann. Otherwise I hope you weren't thinking of the Warfare secondary to move your ships?:p
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:01 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 18 March 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 18 March 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 18 March 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

Whatever are the exact results of my attack I'm willing to, for a price obviously, negotiate your war sun's safe return towards your homeworld via Mellon Zohbat by emptying it of any of my potential ships at the beginning of next round

Might even exchange commodities if we come to a mutually beneficial agreement, if that's possible between our kinds anyway


I should be able to make it back to my homeworld without you having to empty M/Z. It's why I took Warfare this round.


Huh? Warfare only grants you plus one movement, even with gravity drive, flank speed and that plus one movement you'd have to be sure Gnaw does not block your way via Quann. Otherwise I hope you weren't thinking of the Warfare secondary to move your ships?:p


My War Sun is 4 spaces away from my HW. With the +1 from Warfare, I should be able to move there in 2 moves using my Unexpected Action. Of course, that is obviously dependent on what others do, and I may reconsider Nom's offer later this round if it turns out to be necessary, but if I can get there without having to pay Nom something to do it, then I'll go with that option.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:18 PM

View PostBlend, on 18 March 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 18 March 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

View PostBlend, on 17 March 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 17 March 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 16 March 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

Tapper what's the cost for a free refresh? And are you using trade early?


Votes, except (obviously) for Gnaw, and perhaps less obviously so for IH.
Timing is flexible, I am open to offers.

IH: free refresh if you do not pillage me this turn for the TGs paid to me for playing Trade and for transferring Shields Holding to D'rek.

Blend, Morgoth, D'rek, Twelve, Nom: 3 votes on an agenda of my choice in the upcoming agenda phase. Positive effects of said agenda(s) will target me, negative effects will not target anyone who gave votes for the refresh.

Gnaw: I would have happily accepted votes, but... well, Nekro. Let's work something out.

Whomever holds Tatts' Trade Agreement right now, for Tatts' TA:
3 of your votes on an Agenda of my choice during the next Agenda phase.
I will not accept Tatts' votes unless he owns his own PN right now.

Any negative effects of the chosen agenda(s) will not hurt the player holding Tatts' TA PN at this time.


I think I will be lucky if I even have 3 votes after this round, so I will pass.


Blend if tapper agrees I'll pay the 3 votes for you if you pay me 1 TG. I could exchange 2 tg for your 3 commodities instead if you are worried about exchanging them.


I dont have any TGs and am not likely to get any any time soon is the big problem.


Pay me 1tg with the commodities you get was what I meant
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:23 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 18 March 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

Pay me 1tg with the commodities you get was what I meant


Oh, duh, well, if you'd be willing to do that, I'd give you a TG for you to pay Tapper for my refresh.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:44 PM

Geez, nice rolls Nom.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:46 PM

Combat in Mellon/Zohbat resolved. Nom, can you please make your post all proper-like when you get the chance.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:53 PM

The Arborec certainly show stronger combat proficiency with Nom at the helm.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 03:08 PM

Well that went better than expected...
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