[Gnaw]

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 06:00 PM, said:

D, on 19 February 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

D, on 19 February 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 05:13 PM, said:

Macaw/Tapper - can I count on either of you for commodities swapping this round? I assume Nom will not want to swap with me.

Worst comes to worst, I will help you turn them to TG in the agenda phase.

Well, we have to be neighbours for that to happen - where do you think you're gonna end up neighbouring me?

That's why I said Agenda phase, where we don't have to be neighbours.

Say what? I thought you still had to be neighbours to trade during agenda phase, no?

Nope. Free trade zone. Think of it as the Imperium swap meet.

[Blend]

Oh, good, Gnaw, you're around.

Alright, so here's what I picture for swapping of Lodd Eru:

This round, you move your dread and infantry off Lodd Eru during the first two or three turns.
I move my carrier, 2 fighters, 2 infantry from Mansa III to Lodd Eru only after you've used it for its resources.

I claim the three tech planets objective during this status phase (assuming I can hold Silvano through this round).

Next round, assuming that I've managed to hold on to Silvano, I move my carrier, fighters and infantry to the blank hex north of Lodd Eru.
I use Lodd Eru for the tech pre-requisite, then you can take it back.
Mansa III will be empty of any of my troops, so if you can manage to take both, you can take both next round.
We can even discuss you borrowing Silvano for the objective if it's relevant.
I use that Carrier, Fighters and Infantry to harrass Morgoth.

Once this has all gone down, with the caveat that I'd like to have an extra round to claim the objective if someone takes Silvano from me this round, I'd be willing to do the swap of my Racial PN for your Racial PN.

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 19 February 2019 - 04:50 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

Tatts I'll do you a deal, you continue to respect my ownership of tar'mann, and give me your trade PN.

I won't use your trade PN for at least two turns so you can still use the goods to build up your forces once more.

I'll move my cruiser on tar'mann out of the way so you can rescue your carrier on bereg.

I will not move my cruiser to the beta wormhole and interfere with your efforts to retake your homeworld.

I cannot accept this deal. With Gravity Drive D'rek can move a dread and infantry from her HW to destroy my spacedock. So taking back Jord to lose that would be bad. When she researches Dread 2 which is beneficial towards the new objective she could actually move both dreads and destroyer into Arnor/Lor, Corneeq/Rescullon. So first move would have to be for me to make Arnor/Lor pretty strong to make sure I have good odds of defending her off.

Next move would be to take my HW but if you have ships in the Beta wormhole then I'll have to move my ships there. So no taking my HW back and D'rek gets stronger using production and influence at will. You cannot do anything to stop her as she has your ceasefire and other people are too far away right now.

I respect your ownership of Tar'mann, and it's up to you if you want to screw me over.

So you are saying you won't contest my ownership of tar'mann, but you won't give me anything for not moving to the beta wormhole and getting a free refresh.

Come on offer me something so I can justify to myself not making the move which benefits me the most.

How about your racial PN and I promise not to use it while you have strategy CTs.

[Blend]

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 06:07 PM, said:

Next round, assuming that I've managed to hold on to Silvano, I move my carrier, fighters and infantry to the blank hex north of Lodd Eru.

Err, north east of Lodd Eru.

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 19 February 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 06:00 PM, said:

D, on 19 February 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

D, on 19 February 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 05:13 PM, said:

Macaw/Tapper - can I count on either of you for commodities swapping this round? I assume Nom will not want to swap with me.

Worst comes to worst, I will help you turn them to TG in the agenda phase.

Well, we have to be neighbours for that to happen - where do you think you're gonna end up neighbouring me?

That's why I said Agenda phase, where we don't have to be neighbours.

Say what? I thought you still had to be neighbours to trade during agenda phase, no?

How could you not know? You modded the game where I was only able to survive by trading during the agenda phase.

lol - you dare question the Galactic Council's omniscience?!

[Gnaw]

That sounds good. I was hoping you'd actually attack my dread though. I'd announce a retreat to the blank hex. My hope would be thst I'd land a shot on a fighter and gain a tech. Worst case for you is you lose a fighter. Worst for me is I hit nothing and you get two hits. I'm willing to risk that seeing as how I could gain a tech and save a CT.

Oh, and yeah I’ll give the SftT right back.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 19 February 2019 - 06:22 PM

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 06:08 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 February 2019 - 04:50 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

Tatts I'll do you a deal, you continue to respect my ownership of tar'mann, and give me your trade PN.

I won't use your trade PN for at least two turns so you can still use the goods to build up your forces once more.

I'll move my cruiser on tar'mann out of the way so you can rescue your carrier on bereg.

I will not move my cruiser to the beta wormhole and interfere with your efforts to retake your homeworld.

I cannot accept this deal. With Gravity Drive D'rek can move a dread and infantry from her HW to destroy my spacedock. So taking back Jord to lose that would be bad. When she researches Dread 2 which is beneficial towards the new objective she could actually move both dreads and destroyer into Arnor/Lor, Corneeq/Rescullon. So first move would have to be for me to make Arnor/Lor pretty strong to make sure I have good odds of defending her off.

Next move would be to take my HW but if you have ships in the Beta wormhole then I'll have to move my ships there. So no taking my HW back and D'rek gets stronger using production and influence at will. You cannot do anything to stop her as she has your ceasefire and other people are too far away right now.

I respect your ownership of Tar'mann, and it's up to you if you want to screw me over.

So you are saying you won't contest my ownership of tar'mann, but you won't give me anything for not moving to the beta wormhole and getting a free refresh.

Come on offer me something so I can justify to myself not making the move which benefits me the most.

How about your racial PN and I promise not to use it while you have strategy CTs.

I think a deal can be made, let me think for a little bit.

[Imperial Historian]

I'd like some clarity on the retreat rules actually. My understanding was that you could retreat to any empty hex, and I believe that is how we have been playing, however when looking for the exact rules it seems to suggest you can only retreat somewhere you have units or a controlled planet.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

I'd like some clarity on the retreat rules actually. My understanding was that you could retreat to any empty hex, and I believe that is how we have been playing, however when looking for the exact rules it seems to suggest you can only retreat somewhere you have units or a controlled planet.

Sumbitch

[Imperial Historian]

I know, I would have much preferred the other option as well but it does make some sort of sense. Could be I've missed an errata however, as I'm pretty sure we have been playing retreat to empty hexes is allowed.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 06:37 PM, said:

I know, I would have much preferred the other option as well but it does make some sort of sense. Could be I've missed an errata however, as I'm pretty sure we have been playing retreat to empty hexes is allowed.

Same

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

I'd like some clarity on the retreat rules actually. My understanding was that you could retreat to any empty hex, and I believe that is how we have been playing, however when looking for the exact rules it seems to suggest you can only retreat somewhere you have units or a controlled planet.

"The system that a player’s units retreat to must contain
one or more of his units, a planet he controls, or both.
Additionally, the system cannot contain ships controlled by
another player."

But that's only for regular retreats. the Skilled Retreat action card lets you move to any hex as long as there are no enemy ships there.

[Blend]

D, on 19 February 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

I'd like some clarity on the retreat rules actually. My understanding was that you could retreat to any empty hex, and I believe that is how we have been playing, however when looking for the exact rules it seems to suggest you can only retreat somewhere you have units or a controlled planet.

"The system that a player’s units retreat to must contain
one or more of his units, a planet he controls, or both.
Additionally, the system cannot contain ships controlled by
another player."

But that's only for regular retreats. the Skilled Retreat action card lets you move to any hex as long as there are no enemy ships there.

Correct - and this is definitely how I ruled anytime someone wanted to retreat / when deciding whether or not I wanted to wait to see if someone wanted to announce a retreat while resolving battles last game.

[Imperial Historian]

Ah ok that must be where my confusion came from. So you need a skilled retreat to retreat anywhere. Thanks.

[Blend]

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

That sounds good. I was hoping you'd actually attack my dread though. I'd announce a retreat to the blank hex. My hope would be thst I'd land a shot on a fighter and gain a tech. Worst case for you is you lose a fighter. Worst for me is I hit nothing and you get two hits. I'm willing to risk that seeing as how I could gain a tech and save a CT.

Oh, and yeah I’ll give the SftT right back.

I can leave an infantry on Lodd Eru for you if you'd like, so you can still get a Tech off me, but would you be willing to throw in a bit of extra incentive for that? I think the plan I have is pretty equitable on both sides or slanted slightly towards you as you'll end up with War Suns as a result. Frankly, I don't have much in terms of tech, anyway - Plasma Scoring, Neural Motivators and Sarween Tools, and I should have Cruiser II by that point - though I should have my first racial tech by the time you get back to Lodd Eru if you're interested in that.

[Gnaw]

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

That sounds good. I was hoping you'd actually attack my dread though. I'd announce a retreat to the blank hex. My hope would be thst I'd land a shot on a fighter and gain a tech. Worst case for you is you lose a fighter. Worst for me is I hit nothing and you get two hits. I'm willing to risk that seeing as how I could gain a tech and save a CT.

Oh, and yeah I'll give the SftT right back.

Never mind. Unless you wait until I can build on my homeworld. Otherwise we’ll do it your way.

[Blend]

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:44 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

That sounds good. I was hoping you'd actually attack my dread though. I'd announce a retreat to the blank hex. My hope would be thst I'd land a shot on a fighter and gain a tech. Worst case for you is you lose a fighter. Worst for me is I hit nothing and you get two hits. I'm willing to risk that seeing as how I could gain a tech and save a CT.

Oh, and yeah I'll give the SftT right back.

Never mind. Unless you wait until I can build on my homeworld. Otherwise we’ll do it your way.

I should be able to stall my move to Lodd Eru until about turn 5, maybe 6, if necessary.

[Gnaw]

Blend, on 19 February 2019 - 06:45 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:44 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

That sounds good. I was hoping you'd actually attack my dread though. I'd announce a retreat to the blank hex. My hope would be thst I'd land a shot on a fighter and gain a tech. Worst case for you is you lose a fighter. Worst for me is I hit nothing and you get two hits. I'm willing to risk that seeing as how I could gain a tech and save a CT.

Oh, and yeah I'll give the SftT right back.

Never mind. Unless you wait until I can build on my homeworld. Otherwise we'll do it your way.

I should be able to stall my move to Lodd Eru until about turn 5, maybe 6, if necessary.

👍

[Gnaw]

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 19 February 2019 - 03:32 PM, said:

Free refresh?

Post a move as long as you're around?

Dammit Nom.

[Itwæs Nom]

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 07:02 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 19 February 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 19 February 2019 - 03:32 PM, said:

Free refresh?

Post a move as long as you're around?

Dammit Nom.

here just a sec