[Blend]

Gnaw, on 13 February 2019 - 03:00 AM, said:

Morgoth is downright scary.

I mean, that's nothing new. He's one we always have to watch out for.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 13 February 2019 - 02:33 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 13 February 2019 - 02:09 AM, said:

Holy crap Tatts. 10/12?? And they're worried about me??? I'm 14/4

D'rek == 12/18

Tapper == 8/8

Twelve == 10/9

Blend == 8/8

IH == 12/9

Morgoth == 15/10

Nom == 5/4


Yeah, we're the ones to worry about.

Big difference in context. E.g., I might technically have 12 resources total but they're all spread across my planets so it's only if I spend no influence all round. If I maximize each planet I have... 5 resources (and yes, 16 influence, I have MR for now after all). Tatts' maximum efficiency is 8/9, yours is 13/2, Tapper is 7/7, Twelve is 6/7, Morgoth is 14/8, IH is 11/3 (or 7/7), etc.

Of course being 13/2 isn't great either if it means you have no influence to get CTs or votes... unless you're Nekro.

Nekro don't need much influence due to not being part of agendas and gaining CT's through tech, Morgoth stated that he had too many CT's to know what to do with them all. So you're in a good position Gnaw. Morgoth's position is amazing, that's a fertile production for an experienced player.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 13 February 2019 - 02:33 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 13 February 2019 - 02:09 AM, said:

Holy crap Tatts. 10/12?? And they're worried about me??? I'm 14/4

D'rek == 12/18

Tapper == 8/8

Twelve == 10/9

Blend == 8/8

IH == 12/9

Morgoth == 15/10

Nom == 5/4


Yeah, we're the ones to worry about.

Big difference in context. E.g., I might technically have 12 resources total but they're all spread across my planets so it's only if I spend no influence all round. If I maximize each planet I have... 5 resources (and yes, 16 influence, I have MR for now after all). Tatts' maximum efficiency is 8/9, yours is 13/2, Tapper is 7/7, Twelve is 6/7, Morgoth is 14/8, IH is 11/3 (or 7/7), etc.

Of course being 13/2 isn't great either if it means you have no influence to get CTs or votes... unless you're Nekro.

So morgoth 22
D'rek 21
Tatts 17
Gnaw 15
Tapper 14
IH 14
Twelve 13
Blend 8
Nom 5

I have some terrifying neighbors

[Tattersail_]

Lodor, Silvano and Herrah would put you on 20, they are all unclaimed right now. I don't know how adventurous you want to be.

[Imperial Historian]

Lodor won't be unclaimed for long, and I can't really reach the others now, but yes I'm not in a completely awful position.

[Tattersail_]

D'rek, Blend and Gnaw, I am open to exchanging SftT as you are the only ones who have not done so yet. First come first serve with this offer as it is mutually beneficial.

[Galactic Council]

The wormhole passageways have completed their periodic shift. The planet Mallice now exists in subspace close to the territories of the Solarians.

(I've moved Mallice on the game map to below the Sol player card).

[Galactic Council]

Gnaw, on 13 February 2019 - 01:33 AM, said:

Galactic Council, on 13 February 2019 - 12:12 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 12 February 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 12 February 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 12 February 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

makes me wonder what other rules will change on the fly.

Anything and everything I want - look forward to a new rule change every round. A roll of 5 blows up your fleet. The politics secondary now switches your race!

I really didn't think such a thing had happened in previous games because it just didn't sound like something the Warfare sec was meant for, and I still don't, but also don't be melodramatic about it If the precedent was set I will keep it the same, I didn't think I was changing anything by not allowing infantry but it seems that I would be.

That having been said, I still don't agree with picking up troops before moving and think that should be revisited before a new game starts.

Oooooo a set of special cards that goes out to everyone before the game, one per player:

Choose a player: they have to choose another race.

Choose two players: chosen players have to switch starting positions.

Choose a player: switch homeworld positions with that player (just the homeworlds move).


As for the warfare secondary, I don't see the problem with it. If it was OP everyone would be using it to move infantry around. The only way I can see it being truly overpowered would be if Logistics was played followed immediately by Warfare in the same turn. Following players could build, move via warfare secondary, then perform a Tactical Action to move again. Unlikely to the point I don't recall that happening yet.
If you really are concerned about it being OP, make it read 2 units. I started to say excluding docks and PDS but that might make it fun...

It's less about it being OP (as you say, that hasn't been shown yet in previous games) and more that it doesn't, to me, seem to be in the spirit of the card. After all, if you can pick up infantry from a planet and put them in the space area with the move, why can't you set them down as well at the end?

Because an invasion can only happen as part of a tactical action.

For example, when I was mistaking the logistics secondary for the warfare secondary, I was considering moving the forces out of my homeworld to Wellon. That way my ships would be there without actually having to take Wellon.
I find it perfectly logical and don't see a problem with it. Definitely don't think it's OP. The free build offered by the logistics secondary is far more OP in my mind.

The more I look at it, the more illogical it looks to me, because the action talks specifically about moving SHIPS, not units, and not any other action (like picking up unit ground forces off planets). I'm only allowing it now because it has been used like that previously and I didn't stipulate a change at the beginning of this game, but in future either the card wording is changed or - my preference - you can't move infantry.

You don't think it's OP because 1) You're the Nekro and when you get your flagship you probably intend to use this ability to your advantage , and 2) previous games defined 'empty' as actually empty, including of planets. So the secondary HAS been boosted for this game, and therefore there is greater risk of it being too strong now.

[Tattersail_]

Also what did Twelve research? That allows you to move up to 4 infantry around your systems. That is a third tier tech. People could bypass researching that by just doing the warfare secondary.

[Morgoth]

ugh, sorry for the lack of participation the last few days. I got a second round of throwing up my insides. I love my girlfriend, but working with kids and bringing all that stuff home has its downsides.

[Morgoth]

Hey Gnaw, I can't manage to send ships to you this turn. My lack of tokens is showing itself. Are you fine with getting one next turn and I'll throw in a trade good too? You'll have even more tech to chose from if so.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 13 February 2019 - 11:07 AM, said:

ugh, sorry for the lack of participation the last few days. I got a second round of throwing up my insides. I love my girlfriend, but working with kids and bringing all that stuff home has its downsides.

When my girl gets sick because she's been to a play group or soft play area I initially feel so angry. Helpless when she's coughing and bunged up. All I can do is be patient and give her my love.

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth, on 13 February 2019 - 11:07 AM, said:

ugh, sorry for the lack of participation the last few days. I got a second round of throwing up my insides. I love my girlfriend, but working with kids and bringing all that stuff home has its downsides.

I made it through almost the whole of 2018 without getting ill once and then just after Christmas my niece infected me. I only stopped coughing a few days ago. I am plotting my righteous revenge, that 1-year old won’t know what hit her.

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

D'rek, Blend and Gnaw, I am open to exchanging SftT as you are the only ones who have not done so yet. First come first serve with this offer as it is mutually beneficial.

Macaw and I will be swapping ours when it comes back around to my turn (meant to do it once we neighboured, forgot, and then Macaw also forgot)

This post has been edited by Blend: 13 February 2019 - 01:04 PM

[Tapper]

Morgoth, on 13 February 2019 - 11:07 AM, said:

ugh, sorry for the lack of participation the last few days. I got a second round of throwing up my insides. I love my girlfriend, but working with kids and bringing all that stuff home has its downsides.

Being a parent and being infected by a small baby, I know your pain.
And what Tatts said. As a parent, you'd happily be infected by most virulent cold possible if it would prevent my little Sofía from suffering through the night with a blocked nose she cannot clean.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 13 February 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

D'rek, Blend and Gnaw, I am open to exchanging SftT as you are the only ones who have not done so yet. First come first serve with this offer as it is mutually beneficial.

Macaw and I will be swapping ours when it comes back around to my turn (meant to do it once we neighboured, forgot, and then Macaw also forgot)

Fair enough.

D'rek what say you?

[Tattersail_]

Does Morgoth realise it is his turn, or is he waiting for word from Macaw

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

Blend, on 13 February 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

D'rek, Blend and Gnaw, I am open to exchanging SftT as you are the only ones who have not done so yet. First come first serve with this offer as it is mutually beneficial.

Macaw and I will be swapping ours when it comes back around to my turn (meant to do it once we neighboured, forgot, and then Macaw also forgot)

Fair enough.

D'rek what say you?

Tatts if I was you I wouldn't be in a hurry to exchange your sftt, since d'rek is extremely unlikely to benefit from attacking you due to your military superiority. At this stage of the game it's almost certain someone will have to give back a sftt and you will be able yo get more from it down the line. I'm already regretting giving D'rek my ceasefire as the jol nar are in such a strong position for scoring VP when left in peace, especially with so many resources.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 13 February 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

Blend, on 13 February 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

D'rek, Blend and Gnaw, I am open to exchanging SftT as you are the only ones who have not done so yet. First come first serve with this offer as it is mutually beneficial.

Macaw and I will be swapping ours when it comes back around to my turn (meant to do it once we neighboured, forgot, and then Macaw also forgot)

Fair enough.

D'rek what say you?

Tatts if I was you I wouldn't be in a hurry to exchange your sftt, since d'rek is extremely unlikely to benefit from attacking you due to your military superiority. At this stage of the game it's almost certain someone will have to give back a sftt and you will be able yo get more from it down the line. I'm already regretting giving D'rek my ceasefire as the jol nar are in such a strong position for scoring VP when left in peace, especially with so many resources.

Everyone has that extra VP at the moment that I cannot achieve unless I do the deal, I am sure there are others that are looking at the Jol Nar with avid interest but gaining a VP would be my priority. Unless of course Blend and Gnaw could come in to some agreement with me. Where we each get a SftT. Blend gets mine, Gnaw get's Blend's and I get Gnaw's or something like that. Just like you Gnaw and I did last game IH.

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 13 February 2019 - 03:18 PM, said:

Everyone has that extra VP at the moment that I cannot achieve unless I do the deal, I am sure there are others that are looking at the Jol Nar with avid interest but gaining a VP would be my priority. Unless of course Blend and Gnaw could come in to some agreement with me. Where we each get a SftT. Blend gets mine, Gnaw get's Blend's and I get Gnaw's or something like that. Just like you Gnaw and I did last game IH.

I wouldn't be opposed to this if Macaw are in.