[Briar King]

I’d like Terez to snag the thread glory but I haven’t seen her around in quite some time. So Terez if you see this make another thread and I ll make sure a mod merges with you as starter any discussion this thread gathers. It’s tradition after all! We must have a Terez GoT thread.

Anyway thanks to my BFF Malankoozie we know that S8 begins 4/14/19. Who will survive in this alt uni clusterfuck in the end?

[worry]

The teaser looks like it was filmed for the ad, and isn't an actual scene from the show, right?

[Slow Ben]

worry, on 14 January 2019 - 11:42 PM, said:

The teaser looks like it was filmed for the ad, and isn't an actual scene from the show, right?

Thats what i thought.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Slow Ben, on 15 January 2019 - 12:22 AM, said:

worry, on 14 January 2019 - 11:42 PM, said:

The teaser looks like it was filmed for the ad, and isn't an actual scene from the show, right?

Thats what i thought.

Quite - there'd be no reason for there to be statues of Sansa, Arya and Jon in Winterfell's crypts whilst they're still alive, so I'm guessing it is purely shot for the ad.

Predictions of who makes it out alive? I'm guessing not Dany, probably not Tyrion, unsure about Jon. I feel like Jaime might bite the dust although I'd rather he didn't, and I'm actively hoping that Cersei does!

[Maark Abbott]

I hope they all die just like the writing quality did in Season 7.

[Traveller]

I'm hoping that despite the poor writing, some of the detail that George has passed on about how he was going to end it has survived to the show, and we'll still get a few decent surprises - like the Hodor/Bran link.

[worry]

Yah, 6 episodes for sure, that are rumored to all be over an hour and even perhaps 'feature length'.

[nacht]

The spectacle will be amazing but the story may end up being hollow (Time Travel will do that to a story)


Interesting that Catelyn mentions that all this happened because she couldn't love Jon. Why is that important to mention?
Then there is the crow's feather (I think that is what it is in), implying Bran is involved. Maybe it is his vision or maybe he projected the future into Winterfell.



If Bran can change the past (as demonstrated by the Hodor story line) then unfortunately Bran might turn out to be the one that delivers the Deus Ex Machina.
He can change the past so that Lyanna and Rhaegar marry and Rhaegar becoming the king.

This whole story turned out this way because of a big mistake by Ned Stark (not supporting Lyanna). (probably manipulated into this by Tywin)

[nacht]

nacht, on 18 January 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

If Bran can change the past (as demonstrated by the Hodor story line) then unfortunately Bran might turn out to be the one that delivers the Deus Ex Machina.<br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">He can change the past so that Lyanna and Rhaegar marry and Rhaegar becoming the king.

There is a hint of this, when Bran reached out to Ned Stark after Dayne is murdered and before Jon is delivered.

This post has been edited by nacht: 18 January 2019 - 10:11 AM

[Traveller]

Bran may be able to change the past, but his lesson was a very strong one - DON'T mess with the past.

Taught by the 3 eyed Crow... who may have learned his own lesson by trying to warn the King about the Walkers, and instead driving him insane.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Traveller, on 18 January 2019 - 10:11 AM, said:

Bran may be able to change the past, but his lesson was a very strong one - DON'T mess with the past.

Taught by the 3 eyed Crow... who may have learned his own lesson by trying to warn the King about the Walkers, and instead driving him insane.

I suspect that's where that was going as well.

Catelyn saying the motherless child bit - I'm pretty sure that's something she said earlier in the series but I can't remember in what context. Something to do with her feeling the gods are punishing her (with what happens to Ned and her children) for not loving Jon maybe?

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 18 January 2019 - 10:31 AM

[worry]

I believe it's the scene where she opens up to Talisa while making a prayer wheel to the Seven.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

worry, on 18 January 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

I believe it's the scene where she opens up to Talisa while making a prayer wheel to the Seven.

Ha, the other half will be happy, that's what he thought as well. You're both better at this game than me

[Cause]

nacht, on 18 January 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

This whole story turned out this way because of a big mistake by Ned Stark (not supporting Lyanna). (probably manipulated into this by Tywin)

???
I don't think he had much influence one way or the other. He believed she was held against her will.

[nacht]

Cause, on 21 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

nacht, on 18 January 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

This whole story turned out this way because of a big mistake by Ned Stark (not supporting Lyanna). (probably manipulated into this by Tywin)

???
I don't think he had much influence one way or the other. He believed she was held against her will.

Yes, and then supported Robert against Rhaegar. Why would there be such confusion between a brother and sister about who the sister loves?

[nacht]

Traveller, on 18 January 2019 - 10:11 AM, said:

Taught by the 3 eyed Crow... who may have learned his own lesson by trying to warn the King about the Walkers, and instead driving him insane.

I missed this somehow. Are you saying the mad king (Aerys II) went mad because of the 3 eyed crow warned him?

[nacht]

nacht, on 21 January 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

Cause, on 21 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

nacht, on 18 January 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

This whole story turned out this way because of a big mistake by Ned Stark (not supporting Lyanna). (probably manipulated into this by Tywin)

???
I don't think he had much influence one way or the other. He believed she was held against her will.

Yes, and then supported Robert against Rhaegar. Why would there be such confusion between a brother and sister about who the sister loves?

Any why would he hide Jons birth from Catelyn. Big mistake Lord Eddard Stark :-)

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Someone with better book knowlegde than me might correct it, but I'm sure in the first book there's a recalled conversation between Lyanna and Ned where she's illustrating she knows what Robert is, that he won't be faithful etc. but she'll do her duty. I always interpreted that as partly why Ned thought she'd been taken by Rhaegar.

[Nevyn]

nacht, on 21 January 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

Cause, on 21 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

nacht, on 18 January 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

This whole story turned out this way because of a big mistake by Ned Stark (not supporting Lyanna). (probably manipulated into this by Tywin)

???
I don't think he had much influence one way or the other. He believed she was held against her will.

Yes, and then supported Robert against Rhaegar. Why would there be such confusion between a brother and sister about who the sister loves?

Ned didn't just leap into a war after the 'adbuction'.

His father and brother went to the mad king to protest and were tortured and killed.

And if I recall the king then ordered Jon Arryn to turn Ned over as well ...


So its not like a mistake by Ned caused the war. Whatever prophecy and /or love kicked off Rhaegar/Lyanna started the war with a lot of help from the mad king.

Ned's mistakes are much more around who he didn't tell about Jon's true birth. Namely, Jon and Catelyn. The latter likely off a sketchy interpretation of his promise to Lyanna (things would have gone far smoother had she known). And the former seemingly because he wanted Jon to join the night's watch and be out of the politics of the kingdom before he knew who he was.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Nevyn, on 21 January 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

Ned's mistakes are much more around who he didn't tell about Jon's true birth. Namely, Jon and Catelyn. The latter likely off a sketchy interpretation of his promise to Lyanna (things would have gone far smoother had she known). And the former seemingly because he wanted Jon to join the night's watch and be out of the politics of the kingdom before he knew who he was.

I read the not telling anyone to be a choice so there was no possibility of Robert finding out and wanting the baby killed because it's a Targaryen (when Tywin presented Rhaegar's dead children to Robert he makes some cold comment about seeing "only dragonspawn" when Ned calls him on the murder of children.)