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when I first read the series I never liked captain Ganoes Paran, and recently I started to re-read the series and and he began to irritate me again, I tried to make the effort to see where he was coming from and try to like him but I can't do it. I don't like him and wish one of the bridge burners would use a pig-sticker on him.
My dislike for him began due to the arrogant manner in which he behaved when dealing with topper. The man is the head of the claw but Paran treats him like he is a nobody and not someone who has considerably more power and influence than himself, not to mention that topper could easilly kill him.
Anyway, I was just wondering if other people like him or not?
do you like captain paran?
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 01:26 PM
No he has never been one of my favourite characters or even one of the characters that i like at all for that matter.
As much as he is integrel to the story a lot and likes to ennoy the people in power (which should make me love him) but for some reason I just dont like him.
As much as he is integrel to the story a lot and likes to ennoy the people in power (which should make me love him) but for some reason I just dont like him.
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 01:33 PM
I like him and always have. He believes in doing what is right over what is expected or proper. I did find him a little weak and wishy-washy at first until he finally accepted the whole Master of the Deck deal, thats when I really started to like him. And the whole incident at Coral with the BB's and QB.
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 03:32 PM
I think Ganoes is a well flushed out character, and have enjoyed him more as a result of recent re-reads of the series.
I never got the sense that he was juvenile or wishy-washy... in fact he always stood out to me as a character that was decisive. His awareness of, and frustration with, being used (by Lorn, by Oppon, by others) is a good indication of this.
I saw his resentment of assuming the mantle of MoD as a continuation of his internal struggle with being pushed and pulled instead of creating his own direction. I view his assumption of the role as a decision made after realizing that by doing so he would have a broader ability to make changes and carry a bigger stick in enforcing them... the whole not dying as a result of denying the role might have played some small part.
I certainly see Paran as one of the most interesting characters, with great upside.
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I never got the sense that he was juvenile or wishy-washy... in fact he always stood out to me as a character that was decisive. His awareness of, and frustration with, being used (by Lorn, by Oppon, by others) is a good indication of this.
I saw his resentment of assuming the mantle of MoD as a continuation of his internal struggle with being pushed and pulled instead of creating his own direction. I view his assumption of the role as a decision made after realizing that by doing so he would have a broader ability to make changes and carry a bigger stick in enforcing them... the whole not dying as a result of denying the role might have played some small part.
I certainly see Paran as one of the most interesting characters, with great upside.
-- Clu
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 04:36 PM
Him treating Topper like hes an ordinary man is a sign of character. It shows that he doesn't give a rats ass about authority and will do as he pleases, which is exactly why he is the best choice for Master of Deck. He's not arrogant, just because he doesn't fear death. He knows his place in the world and knows how to deal with people. He is captain of the Bridgeburners and all things considered no one is more arrogant then that lot.
Don't exactly see why you wouldn't like him because of that.
Don't exactly see why you wouldn't like him because of that.
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 06:02 PM
Yep, gotta second Jen on that one. He is one of my fave characters in the books, because he does not accept his newly given powers easilyand struggles with the responsibilities it entails. I think that the character was/is very well developed by SE, meaning that given the circumstances Paran found himself in (Oponn's tool, Wanderer within the Sword, being killed by Sorry etc...), he reacts in an understandable way imo. And he does have character. Plus he earned the BB's respect. Gotta trust in their judgement 
Apart from that, how can a guy that is the MotD and a half-Soletaken Hound of Shadow not be cool
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Apart from that, how can a guy that is the MotD and a half-Soletaken Hound of Shadow not be cool
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 06:09 PM
hes a pretty cool character because he was developed so well. he started out basically as just another noble born soldier (but with some more brains, heh) but as all these differant situations befall him he grows and grows. i also like how he deals with the bridgeburners, and slowely earns there respect
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 07:47 PM
i like Paran a lot...i've liked him since his first conversation with Whiskeyjack in GoTM and "the world doesn't need another merchant" comment! i don't really care for either of his sisters, tho!!!
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 07:52 PM
I loved the way he dealt with Topper - who was an arrogant a***
Because he is his own man he has become Master of the Deck.
Because he is his own man he has become Master of the Deck.
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Posted 14 September 2005 - 08:24 PM
He's been my favourite character since scene 1, and he has not disappointed. His words with Whiskeyjack simply drew me into the entire series.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:59 PM
I'd have his babies if nature had seen fit to create certain things differently
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:39 PM
Morgoth said:
I'd have his babies if nature had seen fit to create certain things differently
...perhaps you are a bigger Ganoes fan than myself...*goes off to call Abyss and tell him to get his brain eating tools ready for there can be only one!*
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 02:12 AM
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It took a couple of rereads but now I've learned to like him. (I'm even ready to compete with Morgoth about having his babies )
)Gotta change the order to 2 Brains...*goes of to call Abyss*
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 10:35 AM
I also like characters who dont just role over to those in authority but generally only when these characters have done something themselves to back up their attitude. Paran had done nothing other than be Lorn's lackey for a couple of days.
Personnally I thought he was simply too stupid to keep his mouth shut and to stuck up to show any respect.
I was also annoyed by his scheme to be gifted control of the bridgeburners by serving as lorn's lackey rather than earn it legitamatly.
He does not like to be associated with the streotype of the noble born officers but that is exactley what he is, always looking for the short cut and not caring that he is where he is because of who he knows not what he knows.
Personnally I thought he was simply too stupid to keep his mouth shut and to stuck up to show any respect.
I was also annoyed by his scheme to be gifted control of the bridgeburners by serving as lorn's lackey rather than earn it legitamatly.
He does not like to be associated with the streotype of the noble born officers but that is exactley what he is, always looking for the short cut and not caring that he is where he is because of who he knows not what he knows.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 02:44 PM
hes gotta be in my top 3 characters outta the books and i loved the way he gave oponns sword to cotillion and how he yanks oponn into the sword with him to help free the hounds
