[nicetrout]

QuickTidal, on 01 May 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

amphibian, on 01 May 2018 - 03:39 AM, said:

The stakes for me in most Marvel movies are very low because the movie doesn't end with the characters changed.

With the specific characters that died in this movie, I believe Infinity War is a regression to the "don't worry, it's not permanent" thing, which is boring to me.

Do the stakes need to be high for you as the audience member though? The stakes are high for the characters within their universe. That is enough for the story at hand, and for the first half of a two part story. This is going to (for example) utterly DESTROY Tony going forward, and Rocket, and a few others for sure.

Was it meant to emotionally manipulate US as the audience, I very much doubt it. I think the deaths in IW occur and are meaningful to those left afterwards. The sacrifices are internal.

I don't think anyone was watching thinking, well those people are all dead....nor do I feel that the Russo's intent.

Okay, sure. I do agree that like the stakes of a story matter to the characters within. However I can't imagine everybody who made the film thought...


"We really want viewers to feel unattached and unmoved by the ending. What they'll be moved by is that Steve Rodgers learned a lesson."

Sure, the second part is important. But certainly the Russo's and Fiege wanted me to feel something at the finale.

Others did, I didn't. Primarily because of the transparent impermanence of the whole thing.

[Yllana]

I don't know. Isn't the whole point of the MCU by now that we are more interested in the characters, their relationships, what they feel and what they go through than in who dies at the end? For me, the most interesting part of the finale was

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how they struggled against this powerful foe, gave their best and then realized that this time their best just wasn't good enough. And the horror and bewilderment the characters felt when their friends turned to dust. Okay and that coupled with the bewilderment of the more "naive" part of the audience was pretty amazing.

[Tsundoku]

Some fans really just need to take some time out for a little reality check:

CAUTION: SPOILY SPOILERS OF SPOILERYNESS

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Marvel fans have been attacking Chris Pratt on social media over his character's scripted actions.

http://www.news.com....0bda328d593e217

[Andorion]

Saw it. Loved it.

For me this movie was about Thanos and Thor. I actually wish Thanos got even more screentime. I wish someone would talk to him about his notion of "imbalance" This reminds me a lot of Imperiex and his notion of a flawed universe in DC.

I have really loved Thor's evolution over the last two movies. His good-natured muscled goof days are truly over and he actually feels like a force to be reckoned with.

All the Guardians except Rocket dying was a serious gut punch. I can't even think of what he is going to be feeling like.

Really looking forward to Capain Marvel and the next Avengers.

[QuickTidal]

Yllana, on 02 May 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

I don't know. Isn't the whole point of the MCU by now that we are more interested in the characters, their relationships, what they feel and what they go through than in who dies at the end? For me, the most interesting part of the finale was

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how they struggled against this powerful foe, gave their best and then realized that this time their best just wasn't good enough. And the horror and bewilderment the characters felt when their friends turned to dust. Okay and that coupled with the bewilderment of the more "naive" part of the audience was pretty amazing.

Agreed entirely.

[paran falcon]

Andorion, on 02 May 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Saw it. Loved it.

For me this movie was about Thanos and Thor. I actually wish Thanos got even more screentime. I wish someone would talk to him about his notion of "imbalance" This reminds me a lot of Imperiex and his notion of a flawed universe in DC.

I have really loved Thor's evolution over the last two movies. His good-natured muscled goof days are truly over and he actually feels like a force to be reckoned with.

All the Guardians except Rocket dying was a serious gut punch. I can't even think of what he is going to be feeling like.

Really looking forward to Capain Marvel and the next Avengers.

I guess its my own fault for trying to keep up with reaction without reading the spoiler tags until I get to see it, hopefully this weekend. Banning myself from this thread until then.

[paran falcon]

Briar King, on 02 May 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Tis never a good idea to read a ded thread PF until you see it.

Yeah, like I said, my own fault. Still, its not even a week since the premier night and everyone else used spoiler tags. Whatever, no big deal.

[Khellendros]

I really enjoyed it, more than I thought I would. It's interesting how this film basically confirms the MCU as a large-scale TV series, in that the film gave absolutely no concessions to anyone who hadn't seen the previous 'episodes'. I'd imagine if I had gone into this as a standalone film, I might have thought that Michael Bay had written the screenplay.

I was impressed by the extent to which they managed to balance the enormous cast and multiple plots without dropping all the balls. It wasn't perfect (Cap plot thread), but nonetheless it could have been way way worse.

The film kept me hooked throughout, and even took a couple of (for me) unexpected twists. The funny bits were funny, and even some of the serious bits were poignant (though I thought others missed the mark a little).

And I probably most appreciated how much time they took to flesh out Thanos, and how much screentime they gave the villain (not something the MCU has been particularly good at before). None of the erstwhile protagonists actually go through any sort of character development, but Thanos does. I came away with the impression that this was less an Avengers film and more a Thanos film.

[Salt-Man Z]

I agree that Thor was h*cking awesome.

Khellendros, on 02 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

I really enjoyed it, more than I thought I would. It's interesting how this film basically confirms the MCU as a large-scale TV series, in that the film gave absolutely no concessions to anyone who hadn't seen the previous 'episodes'.

I was actually surprised how much exposition they managed to subtly cram in. You get Star-Lord and Thor summarizing their latest movies to each other, Drax talking about the "dance-off to save the universe" from GotG1, etc.

Khellendros, on 02 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

It wasn't perfect (Cap plot thread), but nonetheless it could have been way way worse.

Yeah, a lot of the original Avengers cast didn't get a whole to do, but on the other hand, they're some of the only ones left, so I'm guessing they'll have much more screentime in the part 2.

Khellendros, on 02 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

I came away with the impression that this was less an Avengers film and more a Thanos film.

Yep, the directors had been saying as much. Brolin was pretty fantastic.

[worry]

Just got home, liked it a lot. It wouldn't replace any of my Top 5 MCU movies, but the best of these movies set a high standard so that's no insult.

If I had any negatives they'd be:

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It kinda pulls its punches a little. -- That said, I suppose that's in service of that finale, which actually managed to be a bigger surprise than if any of the main dudes had died. I think we were all expecting at least RDJ to make his exit, but this might even be a smarter way to do it, as far as impact. Leave the big exits for IW2.

Personally, I'd prefer a combo of Thanos's motivations here and his love of Death. I thought that was what they were gonna do with Hela in TR, as she'd be a good avatar...but she didn't win, and Thanos is just a different kind of mad. Ah well, Brolin killed it anyway.

Lastly, even though I'm sure a reversal is in store, it kinda sucks that both Mantis and Drax disappeared. Keeping him around without her woulda added even more pathos. Also Drax is the best.

Anyway, those are all teeny tiny nitpicks, cuz the movie was pretty solid. Just stick the landing and it'll be a real triumph.

[Aptorian]

Briar King, on 03 May 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

Know what I think will be really cool to see in Ant Man? IW spoiler

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is if at the end both Wasp and him disappear this explaining why he wasn’t in it. Plus it would just be badass if it happened in the end credits. I’m assuming the movie will take place before IW. If it’s after that’s another story and it could be great to see the fallout in another movie playing out

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That wouldn't explain why they aren't in Infinity War part 1. That would explain why they weren't in the second one - If they don't show up there.

What would be funnier is if there was an after credits thing showing them actually being there in Wakanda or somewhere else, they were just tiny and sneaky doing their own thing.

[Nicodimas]

What’s your top five MCU movies worry ??

Please compare your top 5 villains to thanos I’m curious about something, actually anyone can?

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@ worry in terms of holding its punches it inverse!

Thanos should have been rocking them harder with the fight on titan, I’m just assuming that’s what you meant.

They should have FOX characters, warlock/Richards and a few others in the fight.

I want a THANOs Orgin story by 2020!!!!!!! Let’s meet Death.

My top 5

Ironman 1 + sequels
Black Panther
Guardians 1 + 2
Thor: Ragnarock + Thor
infinity war + Avengers

I cheated.
6th man award to Ant-man!!

[worry]

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My top 5 are (mind you, I've never rewatched any MCU movie, and I've only seen part of The Incredible Hulk for some reason):
1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
2. Black Panther
3. The Avengers
4. CA: Winter Soldier
5. CA: Civil War

My favorite villains have been:
1. Thanos (so, I guess, no comparison!)
2. Killmonger
3. Vulture
4. Dormammu
5. Klaue

Re: IW, one more nitpick I have is the whole Gamora making Star Lord promise her to kill her rather than get the Stone, but then giving it up herself for the exact same reason, except it's Nebula in her place. I guess in a way that's what makes them perfect for each other, and maybe I'll grow to like it, it's just that in the moment I was like .

Two extremely good things in this were: Hulk refusing to come out, even for a big finale...that showed restraint and a smart use of delayed gratification. And Red Skull's return, as he looked especially gruesome in his cursed & hooded new role.

[Aptorian]

My take on the Top 5 films and villains:

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Current Marvel Cinematic Universe:

Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Antman
Iron Man
Infinity War

If I was allowed to add non-Cinematic Universe films it would look something like:

Deadpool
Logan
X-Men Days of Future Past
Blade 1
Blade 2
(Honorable mention for Dolph Lundgren's Punisher)

Best villains?

Thanos by a mile
Ultron because of James Spader's voice work
Michael Keaton's Vulture
What's his name from Ant-Man.
And I sort of want to say Loki from Avengers 1 but I just hate the way Marvel has written the Asgardians SO MUCH.

This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 03 May 2018 - 03:13 PM

[Khellendros]

So my sister won a raffle to a private screening of Infinity War with Tom Holland and a Q&A after - what questions should she ask?

[Khellendros]

Oh and my top 5:

Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Avengers: Infinity War

Villains:

Zemo
Thanos
Vulture
Loki
Ultron (also just for James Spader's voice)

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 03 May 2018 - 09:17 PM

[Gothos]

Absolutely loved every little bit of it. It's now my favourite MCU movie without question. It even almost made me go see it a second time, and if movie tickets weren't so insanely expensive, I would have. Everyone was on top of their game, and Josh Brolin absolutely KILLS as Thanos, imo. Waiting for part II is going to be painful.

As far as top 5s go...
Movies:
Infinity War
Ragnarok
Civil War
Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy

Villains:
Thanos
Zemo
Loki
Vulture
Ultron

[Salt-Man Z]

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[Aptorian]

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I assume that though the material is made out of groot, it stops being groot when it is separated from his body. I guess it depends upon the wish's nature. Does it erase everything about the person or does it just claim their soul or life energy perhaps?

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[Tsundoku]

Khellendros, on 03 May 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

So my sister won a raffle to a private screening of Infinity War with Tom Holland and a Q&A after - what questions should she ask?

"Do you hate having to do these publicity things because they're part of your contract? Or do you see it as a small price to pay and just try to have a good time with fans who hopefully aren't too embarrassing?"