Brujah, on 26 October 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:
Who are "they"?
Colin Kaepernick is a single person. Please do not exaggerate or change my words.
Secondly, 'die slow' is a southern coloquialism that you can substitute for 'f You' derived from a rap lyric by the Great poet Tupac Shakur. If you dislike someone then you might hear 'die slow' instead of fuck you.
You've latched onto two words from a series of posts because you feel that putting me in a negative light makes the things you say more true.
Now that we've cleared up your racist taunt, and now your clinging to a two word phrase you both chose to take literally and expand to include a large group of people instead of the truth, which is that it was only mentioned about one person specifically, maybe you'd like to use actual substance to discuss this subject instead of poor attempts to defraud my character, thus my disposition.
Ahh, telling someone to Die Slow is OK cos you're from the South. Got it.
I followed on the "they" from BK saying "them" I was part replying to him but yes you haven't said that all the kneelers need to die. Only one. Which makes it better...
Brujah, on 27 October 2017 - 12:47 AM, said:
Shinrei, on 25 October 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:
That's because before Trump it was about police treatment of minorities and the blackballing of Kaep. After Trump it became an argument about free speech.
Demands to salute a flag only brings North Korea to my mind.
Not saluting and choosing to protest by any disrespectful act are not one and the same.
Plenty of players stand without covering their hearts. I don't believe our NFL games are the place for protest in the first place, but even more so, I don't believe an individual who has a problem with a current issue should choose to disrespect the flag as a medium for their expression.
Our Flag is not a Donald Trump creation. It has flown for most of the 44 different Presidents while in office.
Saluting is also the wrong word for our discussion. The military salute.
Standing for the anthem with a hand or hat over your heart is customary, and even this isn't done nearly as much as in the past. Just standing for the anthem is about all that people do, and that is completely fine.
There is nothing to compare getting drunk at a ball game and standing still and silent for less than 1 percent of your time for the anthem, that you can compare to the atrocities in North Korea.
Even our own military require its soldiers to salute the flag.
Spectators at an NFL game can do as they please. Stand or sit. People pay to watch a football game, and millions of t.v. viewers watch as well.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having all the players just stand there for the anthem. It's plain and simple. They don't need to lock arms and show solidarity. Just stand there while(for example) some little girl sings the anthem. There's no saluting going on.
Leave it be. We have other times and places for protesting whatever one's hearts desire.
Protesting our flag only brings North Korea to mind.
OK, here we go...
So these people are protesting what they say as an injustice in the system, and they are using the influence they have and the arena they have to bring it to people's attention. But they shouldn't protest there? Why? Why shouldn't they use their position to speak on an issue they feel is very real and very prevalent? YOU might disagree that it is a current issue but they certainly do and they have the right to bring it up (Again, I am using "they" because now we are talking about the whole kneeling vs standing issue not just your irrational hatred for Kap...)
When people protested in Ferguson and it got violent they were met with vast criticism and told not to be so violent. Now they are bringing the issue up in a non-violent way and are being told that it is not the place.
So when is it? Every time someone tries to bring it up they are told they are doing it wrong, or the timing is wrong or the means by which they are protesting is wrong.
The only reason it became about "protesting the flag" or "protesting the anthem" is because Donald Trump told everyone that it was. He has (quite successfully) diverted attention away from the actual issues and turned it into a "you're unpatriotic" issue. When literal Nazi's (remember how the US fought against them a few years ago?) were walking the streets of American cities, they were not decried by the administration as unpatriotic, because they had freedom of speech (they're white so they get that).
But black people kneeling in a peaceful manner? UNPATRIOTIC! NEED TO BE SACKED! Anyone who honestly agrees with that clearly can't see that America has completely ceased to be the land of the free. It's sad...
And your last sentence "Protesting our flag only brings North Korea to mind." Wow. So you have bought in to the whole "YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT AMERICA OR YOU ARE A TRAITOR" narrative that seems quite prevalent at the moment?
First of all, they're not protesting the flag. But I've covered that. Secondly, why? If someone is saying "I love this country but there is so much wrong with it at the moment" why is that like North Korea? Being sacked for kneeling is more like a dictatorship state than actually making a protest (oh wait, being black they don't have a right to freedom of speech is that right? It's kind of the feeling I'm getting from everyone ranting about this... Again: White people who are actual Nazis and actually literally killed someone in their protest - Freedom of speech. Black people using the position they have to try and get a serious issue more spotlight - ungrateful traitors who should be fired.)
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