[Serc]

Serc, on 09 March 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 08 March 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

Hey, JPK, fuck you too!

At least I can stay in skin.

I didn't say fuck you,* I clearly asked you to constructively participate its not that personal. The attitude you've been showing all game hasn't been helping at all though. You have plenty of things that you see people are doing wrong, but you're not exactly standing up and modelling the "correct" behaviors.

Look, I know I'm not exactly a great player, I'm under no illusions there. At least I'm trying to get people more involved today and pointed towards finding the leaders instead of just lynching for little or no reason.

* I asked you to participate or fuck off. There's a difference.

[Iparth Erule]

Alkend, on 08 March 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

At the risk of sounding like an old record... why is no one looking at Iparth Erule?

This is pretty much their entire contribution. First, twisting the meaning of Okaros' words to try and turn as against a very likely Coroner:

Iparth Erule, on 08 March 2017 - 12:28 AM, said:

Mockra, on 08 March 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 07 March 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

Okaros, on 07 March 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

You would think the recruiters might want a juicier role than mine anyway as they will know who they recruit.

That seems a very specific bit of knowledge of the recruitment process

Uhm... Since they start out with no one on their teams, I assume the recruiters would be the ones doing the recruiting...

"They know who they recruit" sounds rather like knowing their character name. The only people who would know if a recruiter learns the character name is the recruiters.

Vote Okaros

Then taking advantage of pressure building up against Bek Okhan, without any reasoning:

Iparth Erule, on 08 March 2017 - 05:56 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Bek Okhan

Barely any content beyond that. This is textbook definition of coasting.

vote Iparth Erule

Acknowledged and I'll admit it openly too. Today is my last 12 hour day at work (3 hours in) this week, I signed up as a low poster. You don't like? Tough shit.

Agreed yesterday's lynch is near useless assuming solo cult starts. Disagree cults won't want to lynch - leaders want to lynch anyone because their main opposition is the other leader. Lynching is Cult primary weapon too this game because no NKs.

[Trake]

JPK, on 08 March 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

Trake, on 08 March 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

Serc, on 08 March 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

Hanas, on 08 March 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Pfff, this game isn't that different. We have a finite number of shots to get rid of both leaders, and that's got to come from lynching unless Serc has a few more vigs up his sleeves. The chance of being wrong is the price we pay for the shot at taking down the scum, and that's as true in games with two cults as it is in a traditional town vs paired killers setup. Connections are nice, but at the end of the day you're lynching for the chance to kill your enemy.

I don't have anything else - for now. That has the possibility to change.

The difference I see in this game is town losing potentially 3 members per day to lynch/recruit in comparison to the usual 2 wcs. Now, admittedly it could be better than that and the two leaders could target the same player or they could be using recruits on each other's minions. I'm still looking at WCS for town though which places us even with both cults at the start of day 3.

I agree with WCS, I thought from the start this would be hard for town. I think that's why there's a bunch of roles though, to try and give town an initial leg up. However, if someone shoots the investigator straight out the gate, that makes it a little trickier...

I'm not going to apologize for that. I made a guess as to whom I thought had potential to be a recruiter, I was wrong. You can rub it in all you want, but it's done and doesn't change our main objective. That goes for Kaschan as well, with try to help or fuck off, your attitude isn't helping the situation.

Yeah it was tongue-in-cheek, a little gentle ribbing Your reasoning for the early vig made sense, I thought, just an amusingly unlucky target.

[Gamelon]

We are getting nowhere right now.

I'll try to see if anyone jumps out as likely lone leader when I come back from the pool.

[Gamelon]

Okaros, on 08 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

Supposably there are many words like, irregardless, that will make you flustrated. I know how to conversate with you though. You know what I meant when writing that word. You understood my meaning but I could care less. For all intensive purposes I forgive you and will go and drink my expresso. I am nauseous but don't misunderestimate or vice a versa ignore what I wrote. Here is the link...


My link

I've gotta say, that link was kinda random.

[Gamelon]

DId a full re-read, not much that's really instructive there.




I'm inclined to vote for one of the people saying the Day 1 lynch was stupid for town- because frankly, town is diminishing daily, and you want votes, because they give you information. (unless every townie is packing an NK and hopes to win the game by night actions. Which generally has terrible results)




IE could be coasting, could be low poster.




This post:

Iparth Erule, on 07 March 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

IE is here. Sleep, work, shit like that.

Reveal sucks. Like what the actual fuck?

Healer stops you being recruited? Since when? So you want to draw a Bodyguard if there is one onto you rather than onto someone who might actually be useful to town?

I am so close to voting for out 'Coroner' right now

Is another one that smacks of "false townie indignation" to me. Speaking kind of in his favour is the fact that he did vote to try to get a lynch.




On the other hand, there's Mockra. Who is playing very anti-town.




One of them is likely a recruiter. it's possible of course that both recruiters tried to play as low-posters, but somehow I doubt it.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 09 March 2017 - 05:05 AM, said:

DId a full re-read, not much that's really instructive there.




I'm inclined to vote for one of the people saying the Day 1 lynch was stupid for town- because frankly, town is diminishing daily, and you want votes, because they give you information. (unless every townie is packing an NK and hopes to win the game by night actions. Which generally has terrible results)




IE could be coasting, could be low poster.




This post:

Iparth Erule, on 07 March 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

IE is here. Sleep, work, shit like that.

Reveal sucks. Like what the actual fuck?

Healer stops you being recruited? Since when? So you want to draw a Bodyguard if there is one onto you rather than onto someone who might actually be useful to town?

I am so close to voting for out 'Coroner' right now

Is another one that smacks of "false townie indignation" to me. Speaking kind of in his favour is the fact that he did vote to try to get a lynch.




On the other hand, there's Mockra. Who is playing very anti-town.




One of them is likely a recruiter. it's possible of course that both recruiters tried to play as low-posters, but somehow I doubt it.

I lean towards IE as recruiter over Mockra. Mockra is playing more like someone who has been recruited to me.

[Okaros]

I have eliminated Gamelon from being possible cult because of his early play.

These two speculative posts

Gamelon, on 06 March 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 March 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 06 March 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Fourth

Fanderay, on 06 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Moment

Your miss-spelling of 'Second' has some significance?

Hmm. Are you picking apart the post and looking for signals from the person picking apart my post looking for signals to be pedantic or are you doing some signalling of your own?

Signalling? Dafuk?

There's 11 players alive. If each cult starts with 2, that's already 7:2:2. Town's can be screwed after one bad lynch + 2 successful recruits.

I think someone's been symp one game too many.

Gamelon, on 06 March 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 March 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 06 March 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 March 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 06 March 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 March 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 06 March 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Also, the cast has 11 roles, and only 2 are cult.

But which one

One is head of Daron, the other Beast. Unless I forgot how to read.

You sort of did

You mean the necromancer? You think he's part of Dagon?

I mean that you misspelled Dagon

Ah, that. I blame auto-correct for crap like that

I don't see a recruiter playing like this early doors.

I am reading up, people are being cagey which may be understandable. So going to try and narrow down as much as possible.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 06 March 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

Checking in, but won't be very active until tomorrow. Still recovering from a weekend of bachelor party-ing.

Based on the cast, the setup looks like 9/1/1, Gamelon where are you getting the 7/2/2 idea from?

Very low radar pings for Alkend, has he done anything this game? Did he vote? Going to look at him as I am reading through.

[Okaros]

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 12:00 AM, said:

Hmmph, nobody around to talk to me? That's a shame, I was hoping to induce PTSD in a few more players before I go out for the evening .

Vote Trake

Here kitty, kitty!

so Hanas votes Trake, who appears not long after. Possible Lover connection there. Has that sort of feel to it.

Very playful between the two

Trake, on 07 March 2017 - 12:50 AM, said:

Kitty? That's a derogatory term. I'm a tiger and don't you forget it racist.


Rawr.

[Okaros]

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

OK, well I'm out for the evening. Got to take a shower to get rid of my BO.

Speaking of which:

Remove Vote
Vote Bek Okhan

See, hardens my thought about them being lovers, any excuse to remove from Trake and encourage other people to post.

[Okaros]

Antagonistic Kaschan shows up. Quite aggressive play from him throughout the game, maybe a way of making us leave him alone.

Kaschan, on 07 March 2017 - 02:22 AM, said:

With faction break down I'm relatively certainly certain you are all just be idiots with your votes.

I'm sure there's jack all here to look at but I will. Cult is either low poster or active non-sensical poster early.

[Okaros]

Kaschan, on 07 March 2017 - 06:29 AM, said:

Point taken though, could have clarified better.

Two hiding places. (Actually, far more but for games sake lets make it playable.)

With his speculation on how cult would play I may rule him out of being cult, although not yet.

[Okaros]

Bek Okhan, on 07 March 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

Hmm. Lots of roles.

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

OK, well I'm out for the evening. Got to take a shower to get rid of my BO.

Speaking of which:

Remove Vote
Vote Bek Okhan

And you voted me 7 hours into day 1, why?

This is the first ping. Who questions one vote? This is why people voted for him day one.

[Okaros]

This post is after Lover Hanas' post about being late to the party. Hanas was being flippant but look at Bek go.

Bek Okhan, on 07 March 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 12:00 AM, said:

Hmmph, nobody around to talk to me? That's a shame, I was hoping to induce PTSD in a few more players before I go out for the evening .

Vote Trake

Here kitty, kitty!

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

OK, well I'm out for the evening. Got to take a shower to get rid of my BO.

Speaking of which:

Remove Vote
Vote Bek Okhan

Fanderay, on 07 March 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 07 March 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

Hmm. Lots of roles.

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

OK, well I'm out for the evening. Got to take a shower to get rid of my BO.

Speaking of which:

Remove Vote
Vote Bek Okhan

And you voted me 7 hours into day 1, why?

You find it strange some people vote seemingly randomly at the start of D1?

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 07 March 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

Hmm. Lots of roles.

Hanas, on 07 March 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

OK, well I'm out for the evening. Got to take a shower to get rid of my BO.

Speaking of which:

Remove Vote
Vote Bek Okhan

And you voted me 7 hours into day 1, why?

You were the last player to turn up, so you got a vote. Try not to be late next time!

Voting people 6-7 hours into a game for low activity is a BS strategy and inevitably leads to misleading chaos

Definitely butt hurt about being voted for.

[Okaros]

Kaschan, on 07 March 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 07 March 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Freely given information incoming.

I am the coroner finder, as town I give the thread their CF's, if I am recruited I give myself and my leader the CF of any who die. I guess the healer will be able to stop me from being recruited? I hope so anyway if not then that is okay because it gives people one less place to look or hit with unwelcome night actions.

That isn't town play. You are asking to be recruited by outing your abilities.

Do you think Town couldn't use those in order to win? Play for your team until it changes.

This reaction by Kaschan pushes him towards the town category for me. Sounds genuine.

[Okaros]

So Mockra was the first person to sign in, and yet after a long absence his first post of meaning is this one.

Mockra, on 07 March 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

Okaros, on 07 March 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Freely given information incoming.

I am the coroner finder, as town I give the thread their CF's, if I am recruited I give myself and my leader the CF of any who die. I guess the healer will be able to stop me from being recruited? I hope so anyway if not then that is okay because it gives people one less place to look or hit with unwelcome night actions.

That should be mod-killable. You play for your CURRENT team.

This shows similar indignation to Kaschan, like in his mind my reveal was not for town's benefit which I think it was. Then his next couple of posts reveal his possible role. Bodyguard, then Bodyguard, then move on.

So possible bodyguard role for him, but then he says he is not in a hurry to lynch anyone and I really do not understand this logic.

Mockra, on 08 March 2017 - 12:16 AM, said:

Serc, on 07 March 2017 - 09:11 PM, said:

Mockra, on 07 March 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

With 2 recruiters and the rest of us as town, I'm not in a hurry to lynch anybody.

Are you suggesting we slow things down and be more methodical about who we lynch here? Because it looks like you're suggesting a no-lynch today.

I think the odds are in favor of us hitting a valuable town role as opposed to a recruiter day 1. I'd rather not jump on someone for no reason, there won't be any resistance for us to look at day 2.

If we are going under the assumption that most roles are in play then it still should not matter that we lynch wrongly only that we lynch because town are all equal in that they all have a role.

Personally, and because of Mockra's stance on the subject I am going to say he is possibly a recruiter but not by much. 60 40.

[Okaros]

So crossing off the list of potential recruiters, Serc (claims vig), Fanderay (was PI), Hanas and Trake (lovers), Mockra (bodyguard) which leaves

Kaschan, Alkend, Bek and Iparth.

Continuing to read up but odds are high that 2 of those 4 mentioned are the recruiter.

[Okaros]

I realize I missed Gamelon off the post above because I had him crossed out on my notepad due to my first removal of potential recruiter.

[Trake]

Okaros, on 09 March 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 07 March 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 07 March 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Freely given information incoming.

I am the coroner finder, as town I give the thread their CF's, if I am recruited I give myself and my leader the CF of any who die. I guess the healer will be able to stop me from being recruited? I hope so anyway if not then that is okay because it gives people one less place to look or hit with unwelcome night actions.

That isn't town play. You are asking to be recruited by outing your abilities.

Do you think Town couldn't use those in order to win? Play for your team until it changes.

This reaction by Kaschan pushes him towards the town category for me. Sounds genuine.

Ment and HD made similar pronouncements last game, so I wouldn't be so ready to take it as gospel.