[Siergiej]

I looked at Bubba when I was going through the original Khell train for the first time. He is the first non-Blend vote but his explanation, if way off the mark, seemed genuine. It has left him in a bit of a blindspot for me but if indeed there was a killer on that original train - and I'll be surprised if there wasn't - Blend and/or HD are much higher odds IMO.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 8 hours and 29 minutes left in the day.

7 Players still alive: (Ment, HD, Blend, Ando, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
4 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go night.

Players not voted: (Ment, HD, Blend, Ando, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)


Will adjust time shortly.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 February 2017 - 12:36 PM

[Siergiej]

I keep lurking, but it's unlikely I'll have time to post anything substantial before timeout. So I'm gonna leave my Blend vote here and if anything happens, will react accordingly. Might also switch to HD, will ponder that a bit more.

vote Blend

[Macros]

I'm here.
Have read up to date. On phone however. I would go back to my HD feelings of yesterday if there was a with to follow it. As has been said, a lot of hedging and his leading question yesterday that I pulled at the time.

[Andorion]

Back, and reading up.

[Blend]

Hmmm.... I'd love to OMGUS Siergiej's vote on me, but what can I say, I understand it - I'm the obvious choice. Everyone thinks I'm a symp, and if that's true, lynching me would give you another day.

Thing is, I'm not the symp. I'm just a townie that wanted to lynch Khell this game. Maybe that ruined the game for the rest of town, but I had fun doing it nonetheless!

At this point, I'd be willing to vote Siergiej, Bubba or Macros without too much hesitation - all three seem pretty scummy to me for different reasons.

I'd be willing to consider an HD lynch if that's where the thread wants to go, but I still have a hard time believing that he's scum. If he is, he's played a good townie game, imho.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 6 hours and 20 minutes left in the day.

7 Players still alive: (Ment, HD, Blend, Ando, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
4 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go night.

1 Vote Blend; (Siergiej)

Players not voted: (Ment, HD, Blend, Ando, Mac, Bubba)

[Andorion]

Having done a full read on Sierg, which was exhausting and frustrating, I have to say, he comes off as mostly Town, except here - a chain of posts about holding off on the vote, and then he puts Khell at L -1, when Khell was not done yet,

And Mess hammers in a very dubious way. Symp maybe?

Siergiej, on 23 February 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

I'd like for Khell to comment before we drop the hammer.

Siergiej, on 23 February 2017 - 11:24 PM, said:

Must say I am disappointed.

Khellendros, on 23 February 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

You'd like me to comment?

None of you have looked at the trains, or the way people have voted, or who is unlikely to be partnered with whom based on what they've said. I hope you do that tomorrow, which may turn out to be d-day, but better late than never.

Funny you should say that, because my entire case on Mess is based on how that first train on you developed. But that's not the only place where you're omitting facts. From the same post above:

Khellendros, on 23 February 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

Anyway, I've answered all your questions a dozen times over, so that's that. If I'm around when I wake up tomorrow, I'll be looking at a few interactions over the last couple of days. If I'm not, good luck town.

No you haven't. It has been pointed out by more than one person that your initial reasoning for revealing as Guard and what you said later on are contradictory. How does I was trying to survive match up with there was no one around to hammer?

But we're like what, 20h from timeout still? I don't feel like we need to hurry, so I'd say le him say whatever he still has to say.

Siergiej, on 24 February 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

K, I'm off to bed. Ment, Ando: please hold off pulling the trigger. I want to read whatever analysis he can come up with. Then we can hammer - if he flips scum we can just disregard whatever he writes, if he is a Guard, his thoughts might prove very useful.

EDIT

typo. Ffs.

Siergiej, on 24 February 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

At this stage I think we should withhold sharing thoughts on what Khell wrote until D4 and lynch him to avoid doing this all over again tomorrw (unless he drops some bombshell later today).

If Khell is scum and we start discussing his thoughts, we're just reinforcing a train of thought that is leading us astray. If he flips scum, everything he said today should just be disregarded as an attempt to confuse and manipulate town.

If Khell is a Guard and we start discussing his thoughts, we're giving scum information that can alter their NK choices today. Why do that?

Siergiej, on 24 February 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

I'm here only for 10 more minutes, will be online later in the evening but defo not for timeout. I will change my vote because Khell is the only lynch we can get and even tho I think Mess is more likely scum, Khell's CF will be useful. Ment, you can hammer before timeout.

remove vote


vote Khellendros

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

And after that everybody politely waited for me to do this. Okay. So let's see.

Aye, let us see.

Vote Khell

[Andorion]

Bubba, on 21 February 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

I think I will go with what makes the most sense to me. I think Kell is one of the killers, not by the way he has played, but how those around him have. HD slipped on to Kells train when it looked like his lynch was going to happen (it's how I would play it if it looked my partner was going to be lynched) and macs supper whiny post gives it more validity to me. I'm going to start day two off with a vote on HD his fence sitting posting style, and the way it looked like he was hiding on the Kell train is all I have at the moment. I'm open to a better case if one gets made.

vote HD

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Is it possible that the killers don't know each other in this game?

As for Bubba, he really has not posted much, or said anything very substantial. Quite suspicious.

These two posts are giving me the wrong feelings - if you think Khell is a killer, why vote HD?

Why speculate if Killers know each other? They usually do in a M&P. Why assume a weakness? Scummy

[Siergiej]

Interesting catch re: Bubba.

As for my posts about Khell: they're spread over 20 hours.

[Andorion]

Siergiej, on 28 February 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Interesting catch re: Bubba.

As for my posts about Khell: they're spread over 20 hours.

My point was tha with your long history of waiting for Khell, your vote seems wrong. It stands out.

Any opinions on HD or Mac?

I don't think I can read through the entire game again.

[Siergiej]

I want to hear Mac's reasoning for leaning towards Ment. There was very little indicating he might go down this route earlier in the game and I'm wondering what's changed.

My thoughts on HD are on the previous page: https://forum.malaza...st__p__1276592.
tl;dr I think he is the most likely scum next to Blend. Khell's final posts also have a lot of good points about HD's game.

[Andorion]

Siergiej, on 28 February 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

I want to hear Mac's reasoning for leaning towards Ment. There was very little indicating he might go down this route earlier in the game and I'm wondering what's changed.

My thoughts on HD are on the previous page: https://forum.malaza...st__p__1276592.
tl;dr I think he is the most likely scum next to Blend. Khell's final posts also have a lot of good points about HD's game.

I like your case on Blend.

HD is definitely suspicious.

At this juncture I would not rule out HD&Blend, Bubba&Blend team.

[Mentalist]

With Blend being the common denominator, I would not be adverse to looking there as a last resort vote.

I should be have some time in about an h and a half to jot some thoughts down (but since it's my phone, it'll take longer to do).

[Blend]

Well, unfortunately, I have to go write an exam in about half an hour, so I won't be here for timeout.

As I don't want to not have voted today, I'm going to go ahead and...

vote Siergiej

He currently strikes me as the scummiest.

[Andorion]

Blend, on 28 February 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

Hmmm.... I'd love to OMGUS Siergiej's vote on me, but what can I say, I understand it - I'm the obvious choice. Everyone thinks I'm a symp, and if that's true, lynching me would give you another day.

Thing is, I'm not the symp. I'm just a townie that wanted to lynch Khell this game. Maybe that ruined the game for the rest of town, but I had fun doing it nonetheless!

At this point, I'd be willing to vote Siergiej, Bubba or Macros without too much hesitation - all three seem pretty scummy to me for different reasons.

I'd be willing to consider an HD lynch if that's where the thread wants to go, but I still have a hard time believing that he's scum. If he is, he's played a good townie game, imho.

Blend, on 28 February 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Well, unfortunately, I have to go write an exam in about half an hour, so I won't be here for timeout.

As I don't want to not have voted today, I'm going to go ahead and...

vote Siergiej

He currently strikes me as the scummiest.

Uh..huh...

So mind explaining these reasons Blend?

[Mentalist]

k, dealt with urgent work. Now I got 2ish hours that I can half-devote to mafiaz.

[Siergiej]

I'm out and probably won't make it for timeout. Hope there's still another day tomorrow

[Andorion]

I won't be around for much longer.

I am going to

Vote Blend.

His vote is lazy at best, and scummy at worst.

[Mentalist]

So I did a re-read of everything after the JPK lynch.

Basically, Bubba and Blend played an almost identical game, with their votes ending up on Khell (though Bubba did entertain the possibility of an HD vote Day2).

Mac and Ando also had similar game. Looking purely at their posts, some of Andy's are odd (he tipped the JPK train, while suggesting we should go for blend after- but he hasn't until now). Then there's also that day 2 "find" of Khell's "killer slip" , which struck me at the time as trying too hard.

Sierg seems most town of the bunch, I don't have a re-read on HD, and I don't trust my feelings on Mac, because most of the dead people voiced suspicion against him.