[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

I do, in fact, arch my eyebrow quizzically at those who have defended me the most ardently - as, aside from myself, only scum know for sure that I am not one of them.

Or they're your symps.

Just saying...

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

Well exactly. What about that contradicts anything I've said? I think there are multiple scum, which seems obvious, and my personal belief is that there is at least one on each major train.

That gives us two nice smaller groups to go through. Other people might feel different, but I feel confident in eliminating some people as potential suspects (for now), which makes the groups even smaller. For example, Blend from the "Khell group".

Yeah I'd PI'd Blend 2/3 of the way through D1. Now we see if he's actually going to play or just keep a boner for you all game.

[Itwæs Nom]

I don't like (the irony, I'm aware) how reasonable is Macros trying to be and how much is he trying to highlight a reason - I know he can get passionate but this seems a little over the top - this game, as others have said it's usually a gut vote and fuck off for townie Macros in early stages.

His vote on Kitsu might be interpreted as protest to all the unreasonable Khell votes, hence further highlighting his own reasonability. It might have been seen as controversial at the time but later in the game not having been another one to join the Khell bandwagon would be probably seen as the sensible thing to have done. Especially if Macros knows all the time that Khell's not his partner and Khell got lynched. Hell he might have been hiding in the anti-anti-Khell train jsut to show how reasonable he can be. Macc might have thought it probable that Khell'd get lynched and as that didn't happen he could be now trying to sow some suspicion again because why have clean Khell running around like this.

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I fail to see the slip.

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

So-called slip.

with all the chaff and yelling stripped away, this actually looks considerably more suspicious than my first glance of it.

it's the second post that makes the first feel like more of a slip if you understand me. it's like he thought, I didn't slip, I've been watching what I've said, and then was like "uh, I mean so called slip, cause a slip? that would be guilty"

continuing my read

Again, people were like Khell has to be lynched, then voting me for things I didn't even understand (Bubba), so I doubled down on the ridiculousness as I felt I would be lynched anyway no matter what. I did that second post because me saying "so-called" is what Bubba - for reasons I didn't understand - had highlighted when he voted for me, so I just said it again on purpose.


...Which, actually, should be really obvious Maccy.

It did seem obvious to me and it struck me as weird when Macc dismissed the first line of slip-votes and then latched onto this. (I couldn't understand the first slip because I assumed everyone gets that it's a Trump roleplay reference, "so-called judge" one I believe)

The vote for HD does too seem the reasonable path to take, though certainly not creating any waves, placed early enough to not be mindless following.


He put more than ordinary effort into this game, which in itself doesn't neccesarily doesn't have to be scummy(yeah yeah), which probably happened for some reason, presumably that there's more stuff to go by or whatever else that other games usually lack, but then he also goes on and calls the D1 abyssmal. I also found this:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

gives him an easy out if a khell train actually develops and he flips town.

its thin, but it day one and it jumped straight at me *shrug*

I was going to vote you for your jokey HD vote and removal but you were killer last time out so you're second on my list at the minute

Did he have need to point out that Tatts being a killer in the last game makes him less scummy because of the fact that Macc was a killer too?

Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

Blend.

Honestly.
if you ha went out, and tracked khell normally and made a case, there wouldn't be resistance. you have a totally baseless platform.
as has been mentioned, you have just been screaming khell must die hes evil! then as people have poo poo'd your screams, yu've turned it on them.
its utter nonsense.

We can't know if there would or would not be resistance. Was this a slip of the knowledge that Khell's not a scum hence there wouldn't (more like would be less likely to be) be a resistance?

I'm pretty sure there was something else I wanted to add but I can't think of anything else now, so

Vote Macros

[Messremb]

Well where has everyone else got to?

I'm going to

Vote Siergiej

They're one of my more suspicious ones from the JPK train and a low poster to boot.

[Messremb]

x-post, ha!

[Itwæs Nom]

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Nom, Ment, Ando)

lets assume for a second there is a killer on each train.
on one side we have two super high posters and two players without a lot to go on.
on the other, the Khell, and 3 players without a lot to go on.

I just don't see Blend/ mess as killers unless they've gone balls to the wall. I suppose it's possible

going to look at bubba.hd in iso first

then the other 4

Agreed on this though, i.e. discounting Blend and Mess for now - as killers anyway.

Of course, the killer on each train was my idea originally, so perhaps not surprising that I agree

Why Mess? Sure he's a high poster and appears to play a tad too lightly but that's not enough to dismiss for now imo

[Itwæs Nom]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

Well where has everyone else got to?

I'm going to

Vote Siergiej

They're one of my more suspicious ones from the JPK train and a low poster to boot.

Yeah and I also wanted to mention that all the 1 killer here 1 killer there thing seems irrelevant to me with Sierg sitting there comfy with a vote on Blend.

[Itwæs Nom]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

There's a long break before the next votes flow, from RI Tatts going with Macs favourite, gut.

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I have had a bit of a think and my mafia head has taken the best of action.

remove vote
Vote JPK

How does this translate as gut? Gut is quite the opposite of actually thinking and "head"

[Messremb]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 February 2017 - 08:47 PM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

There's a long break before the next votes flow, from RI Tatts going with Macs favourite, gut.

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I have had a bit of a think and my mafia head has taken the best of action.

remove vote
Vote JPK

How does this translate as gut? Gut is quite the opposite of actually thinking and "head"

No evidence of thought

Just done the sums (so someone double-check...) and timeout is 0730 UK time so I'll be around at timeout.

[Siergiej]

I've been doing some more reading and have developed two theories. One points at Mess, the other one points at Khell. But they're pretty much mutually exclusive.

Mess theory:
I stumbled upon it by accident, when I was reading Bubba in isolation. Look at the way Khell's train picks up steam. He gets 3 votes within 3 minutes. It takes him from carrying Blend's joke vote to actually becoming a serious lynch candidate. if you go back to that moment, only after it happens Blend starts being more serious about Khell's lynch.

This is how it played out:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

Which just proves what a standup, useful guy I am to have around.

See, now he's trying to butter you up. He's using alternative facts to make you believe what he wants you to believe. Don't fall for his tricks! Lynch Khell!

I hope you all see how the push to lynch me is a huge propaganda campaign from the fake and false media. They're pushing story after story and post after post at you with their own personal agendas.

These so-called townies are lying to you. It's terrible. But we know the truth, don't we? They're not on your side! They're just looking to take your jobs and your lives and line their own pockets.

Sad.

Hmmm.... a day one slip Kell?

remove vote


vote Kell


I'm off to work. have fun everybody

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I fail to see the slip.

If we told you you'd know what not to do again...

Vote Khell

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Yeah, the "so-called slip" seals the deal for me.

Vote Khell

(skipped Khell's answers for readability, they're irrelevant for now)

It seems like Bubba genuinely thinks he caught Khell red-handed. Mess jumps on this immediately with a vote - even though shortly before he accused Khell of trying to divert attention to JPK, he only laid his vote when he could put it on top of someone else's. Then a minute later JPK comes around which would be suspicious if he hasn't flipped RI (there is non-zero chance he was a symp, but we won't know that so I'm not considering it).

Such a quick build-up leads me to think there is a killer among these three. Bubba looks genuine, Mess looks scummy, and JPK looks dead. Not a hard choice.

He has also started building a case against me - and I pointed a finger at him before as a potential vote and called him out for fearmongering. Not surprised.

***

Khell theory:
I haven't really seen anything scummy about Khell's game in D1. The slip thing was overblown. But he looks much spookier in D2. I have already commented on the backpedalling from his JPK case. Khell claims he said that we should lynch him if JPK flips town because he was sure we were going to lynch him anyway. And I actually believe that part. He posted this just after getting these 3 rapid votes quoted above that put him at L-3:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

How about this. Lynch my target, whose scum CF will indicate I am town. If he's not scum (and he will be) then lynch me, I won't even fight it or nothing.


It's a win-win.

Let's assume that Khell is a Killer. Now, had Khell been lynched and flipped scum, I am pretty sure we would have taken that post as a ploy to VPI himself backfiring in Khell's face and lynched JPK immeditaely, wasting a day. That's as much as Khell could have been hoping for being sure he's about to get lynched. He admits himself that he started reversing his stance when JPK self-voted. That sealed Kitsu's fate, so Khell knew he was not going to get lynched. So he had to backpedal quickly from that ridiculous statement.


And then there is the theory that killers were on separate trains. It does look sensible, but Khell is pushing a little too hard:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

To answer your question Bubba, let's take a look at the final tallies:

Quote

It is Day 1. 7 hours 3 minutes remaining
Players still alive: (JPK, Nom, Ment, Tatts, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)12 players alive.
7 votes to lynch, 6 to go night.
4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Mac, Nom, Ment, Ando, Tatts, JPK)
1 vote Blend (SiergieJ)

Players not voted: ()

JPK has been lynched. He was RI.

Now resolving night.

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

I would reckon that scum would board separate trains when it's as close as it was. And they don't care about no lynch at this stage because it just means another day of no one looking at them, so they won't feel any pressure to both add to the lynching train.

Taking off JPK and Tatts, the trains are very similarly weighted, 4 and 5 (I am discounting Siergiej for the moment).

So we have Blend, Bubba, Mess, HD - which one is scummiest?

And we have Mac, Nom, Ment, Ando (and me, if you're not me) - which one is scummiest?

I would start with analysing the JPK train voters, because I think that there is a greater likelihood of multiple scum there, on the successful train, rather than on my train...but as I said, my personal suspicion is that they're split.

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

Well exactly. What about that contradicts anything I've said? I think there are multiple scum, which seems obvious, and my personal belief is that there is at least one on each major train.

That gives us two nice smaller groups to go through. Other people might feel different, but I feel confident in eliminating some people as potential suspects (for now), which makes the groups even smaller. For example, Blend from the "Khell group".

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Nom, Ment, Ando)

lets assume for a second there is a killer on each train.
on one side we have two super high posters and two players without a lot to go on.
on the other, the Khell, and 3 players without a lot to go on.

I just don't see Blend/ mess as killers unless they've gone balls to the wall. I suppose it's possible

going to look at bubba.hd in iso first

then the other 4

Agreed on this though, i.e. discounting Blend and Mess for now - as killers anyway.

Of course, the killer on each train was my idea originally, so perhaps not surprising that I agree

It just feels like Khell had a vested interest in convincing us the Killers were on separate trains. This makes perfect sense if he was a Killer and knew for a fact that his partner was on the JPK train as well. That would, of course, rule out Mess.

I need to do more reading before I cast my vote, right now it's between these two. I feel like there is more to the case on Khell, but I also think Mess' CF will tell us more - if he flips town, there are only 2 people left from Khell train from D1.

Now for a short break, but I'm around.

[Itwæs Nom]

Path-Shaper, on 21 February 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

Tatts has been killed. He was RI.

It is Day 2. 36 hours 00 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: (Nom, Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go night.

Players not voted: (Nom, Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)

9:30 AM CET, 8:30 for you, will be around too though limited to my phone

[bubba]

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Is it possible that the killers don't know each other in this game?

[bubba]

Were is everybody? And why are you not posting?

[Itwæs Nom]

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

Were is everybody? And why are you not posting?

I'm here. They're not posting cause they're not here.

[Mentalist]

I had a brutal day, afk all day and in no position to sit on my phone (observing my boss do a hearing). Running late for Physio, but I'll catch up before swimming, and then post smth after (so like 1030sh EST)

[Itwæs Nom]

Here's one thing I forgot, except for Kitsu who was against Macros and Macros was sure to vote early, the only other person to voice any, though admittedly moderate, supicions was Tatts:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

I actually really like nickelback, hating them is just something that has become internet cool to do.
They play their own instruments, write their own songs and don't mime live.
This puts them ahead of 90% of the shite played on "popular" radio.

that aside. I'm coming out swinging

vote blend

Nothing to do with my vote on HD or Blend's on Khell?

It's not like you to vote straight off the bat

And this minor one

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Re: Nickelback

Evidently if you are into crowds with lots of pretty 20's women, it's a good eye candy concert.

Also, some of these don't seem like joke votes.

So what does voting for Venge in sign up have to do with Blend actually voting for Khell? Trying to make it seem just like I'm going to knock someone out of my list when there are alternative reasons?

Mac has just said the same thing.

Something in that? Or scum team collaborating?

[Khellendros]

I'm here. I thought we had way more hours left than we actually do. I won't be around at timeout and I'm too exhausted for huge analyses now, but I will do some reading and lay down a vote at some point. I'll be around for a while on and off.

I like the Mac case, and I kinda like the Mess case, though I still see Mess as more of a symp.

[Macros]

I'm in my bed

[Itwæs Nom]

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

I'm in my bed

11 out of ten 10 defense

[Itwæs Nom]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 February 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

I'm in my bed

11 out of ten 10 defense

*11 eleven out of 10