[Messremb]

I'll hunt back and look at the people to get on JPKs train early shortly

[Messremb]

Uhh... in my readup I've just noticed something. A post by Bubba that contains the edit line:

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 20 February 2017 - 07:09 PM

Post #228

What the fuck?

[Messremb]

Okay other jobs took slightly longer than anticipated. Prior note: I will cut this off when I need to leave and dump the unfinished post on thread.

So we start with Khells sudden about-face. Which was kind of expected but I'd still like to note it here.

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Are you still so sure JPK will flip scum?

Probability says he's town, but better him than me, you know?

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

How about this. Lynch my target, whose scum CF will indicate I am town. If he's not scum (and he will be) then lynch me, I won't even fight it or nothing.


It's a win-win.

Now, are you willing to stand by this?

Nope. I don't give up if it's in town's interests for me not to.

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

I don't have any real read on Ando, Bubba, and HD, but also the very thought of re-reading this thread makes me wanna kill myself. I don't have enough energy left for that today, so these three will have to wait until tomorrow to get some attention.

For now, I find Khell's backpedalling a huge red flag. He was distancing from his earlier conviction about JPK just before Night was resolved and now he basically admitted his post from D1 was bullshit. Me no likes.

With the case on JPK proven wrong, I'm also still inclined to go after Nom.

And, of course, I would be more than happy to lynch Blend for the same reason as D1.

I was distancing from it ever since JPK self voted, which I was not expecting. Take that how you want but it seems eminently sensible to me to start questioning your prior convictions after a move like that.

And the "I won't fight a day 2 lynch" post was made at a time when I was certain I would be lynched, so I was just saying whatever to get attention on JPK for day 2 - which, turns out, would have been wrong. Oops? Still, could have been worse, he could have been roled.

So the JPK train starts off with Khells vote

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

For reference

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

So I'm ok with joining the naked train on Khell for sure.

As an alternative, while were starting to look at lynching based off of meta grudges, I would like to suggest an early lynch of Macros. He has a habit of trusting his gut over his logic that has directly led to several wins for scum. I might also still be bitter over the ending of the Evil Twins game.

Interesting, so you want to lynch Mac for a reason which is definitely not to do with him being scum, but specifically for being a (badly playing) RI.


Vote JPK

That and the defending and deflection by Mess.

Still sticking with me symping JPK, Khell?

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

fuck it

I feel dirty for saying this but I want to test Khells theory

vote JPK

Dirty doesn't come close Mac.

So the first follower doesn't like doing it but is going to anyway to 'test the theory.' Perhaps (Shocking speculation!) Mac is Khells symp and wants to get traction started in another direction?

Nom steps up next, too many nested quotes for this reply

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

It feels like the bait thing occured to you as convenient just before this post. I don't particularly like the way you're trying to turn around the attention that Khell's giving you against him.

Can't say I'm convinced by his case but Khell doesn't appear any outstandingly scummy to me and because of the above points I'd much rather

vote Kitsu

Tatts then votes for Blend for tunnel vision

Ment throws out a post that says nothing for the quality of the case or for what they think of anything...

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I'm gonna
vote JPK

for now. There's an actual case for this lynch, and if Khell is wrong, we can go back and lynch him tomorrow.

There's a long break before the next votes flow, from RI Tatts going with Macs favourite, gut.

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I have had a bit of a think and my mafia head has taken the best of action.

remove vote
Vote JPK

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

I don't buy Nom's explanation of that scummy, hedging post he made after his case on JPK. But it doesn't change the fact that JPK is indeed the likeliest scum right now. His case on Khell is a joke and his latch on the 'so-called sliip' shows that he'd be happy to hold on to a turd if only it was flung Khell's way. That's where I'm gonna vote for now.


Mac's moral high ground rubs me the wrong way, too.

vote JPK

Siergie considers JPK to be the likeliest despite the trains being equal, EoD being a long way off and joins Khell clutching at his own turd. Tatts removes because long time to go, returning to 5vs5

JPK self-votes

Siergiej votes for Nom

Another long gap, Tatts votes JPK then jumps to Blend

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

How is that a shocker when I voted him earlier?

So now I am Khell's partner?

remove vote


vote Blend


If we do not lynch you or Khell, this will be you again tomorrow.

Siergie jumps to Blend, JPK to Khell. Khell is now on 5 votes, JPK on 4.

Andorian wanders along:

Andorion, on 21 February 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

I am going to

Vote JPK

Blend will keep

Uhhh... what?

Tatts jumps back to JPK who then suicides.

Not by any moeans much of an analysis posted for which I appologies. My own conclusion is that the sweet posters that sent it to JPK were, aside from Khell/Mac combo at the start of the train, Siergie who tipped JPK from hopeful of bouncing it back to Khell and primarily Andorian who with his vote and subsequent vanishing sealed the lynch of JPK.

Whilst I'm suspicious of Khell/Mac and would like Khell lynched, to me Andorian and Siergie look like a better place to find scum.

What does everyone else think?

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

[Siergiej]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

Not by any moeans much of an analysis posted for which I appologies. My own conclusion is that the sweet posters that sent it to JPK were, aside from Khell/Mac combo at the start of the train, Siergie who tipped JPK from hopeful of bouncing it back to Khell and primarily Andorian who with his vote and subsequent vanishing sealed the lynch of JPK.

Whilst I'm suspicious of Khell/Mac and would like Khell lynched, to me Andorian and Siergie look like a better place to find scum.

What does everyone else think?

For the record, after JPK self-voted I tried to steer it away towards first Nom and then Blend. Without much success, clearly.

[Siergiej]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

It's 3-1 and 2-1 to one actually. I don't think we're playing against 4 scum, it would mean D-day right now. As much as I prefer playing off WCS, you're taking it too far Mess.

Fearmongering, much?

[Messremb]

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

It's 3-1 and 2-1 to one actually. I don't think we're playing against 4 scum, it would mean D-day right now. As much as I prefer playing off WCS, you're taking it too far Mess.

Fearmongering, much?

Actually just bad maths on my part. Divided 12 by 3 and 12 by 4. Check my previous games for counting hours, particularly in relation to time remaining

2-1 is too easy so must be 3vs9. I don't see 2vs10 as being likely

[Messremb]

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

It's 3-1 and 2-1 to one actually. I don't think we're playing against 4 scum, it would mean D-day right now. As much as I prefer playing off WCS, you're taking it too far Mess.

Fearmongering, much?

And actually, it's not me fear-mongering. Saying it is 2-1 is seriously more fear inducing than saying 3-1.

[Messremb]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

2-1 is too easy so must be 3vs9. I don't see 2vs10 as being likely

In fact I'd go so far as to say 2-10 is pretty much un-winnable for scum. 5-1 you'd likely be looking at 2 killers with independent kills. Only Tatts died ergo wrong.

[Messremb]

Anyway I've had enough beer, back after some sleep.

[Siergiej]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

It's 3-1 and 2-1 to one actually. I don't think we're playing against 4 scum, it would mean D-day right now. As much as I prefer playing off WCS, you're taking it too far Mess.

Fearmongering, much?

And actually, it's not me fear-mongering. Saying it is 2-1 is seriously more fear inducing than saying 3-1.

Nononono, I see what you're doing there Mess. YOU are the one who suggested this might be a 8 v 4 game. Don't blame me for not dividing it right

EDIT
Grammar.

This post has been edited by Siergiej: 22 February 2017 - 09:48 AM

[Andorion]

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

[Khellendros]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

Okay other jobs took slightly longer than anticipated. Prior note: I will cut this off when I need to leave and dump the unfinished post on thread.

So we start with Khells sudden about-face. Which was kind of expected but I'd still like to note it here.

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Are you still so sure JPK will flip scum?

Probability says he's town, but better him than me, you know?

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

How about this. Lynch my target, whose scum CF will indicate I am town. If he's not scum (and he will be) then lynch me, I won't even fight it or nothing.


It's a win-win.

Now, are you willing to stand by this?

Nope. I don't give up if it's in town's interests for me not to.

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

I don't have any real read on Ando, Bubba, and HD, but also the very thought of re-reading this thread makes me wanna kill myself. I don't have enough energy left for that today, so these three will have to wait until tomorrow to get some attention.

For now, I find Khell's backpedalling a huge red flag. He was distancing from his earlier conviction about JPK just before Night was resolved and now he basically admitted his post from D1 was bullshit. Me no likes.

With the case on JPK proven wrong, I'm also still inclined to go after Nom.

And, of course, I would be more than happy to lynch Blend for the same reason as D1.

I was distancing from it ever since JPK self voted, which I was not expecting. Take that how you want but it seems eminently sensible to me to start questioning your prior convictions after a move like that.

And the "I won't fight a day 2 lynch" post was made at a time when I was certain I would be lynched, so I was just saying whatever to get attention on JPK for day 2 - which, turns out, would have been wrong. Oops? Still, could have been worse, he could have been roled.

So the JPK train starts off with Khells vote

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

For reference

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

So I'm ok with joining the naked train on Khell for sure.

As an alternative, while were starting to look at lynching based off of meta grudges, I would like to suggest an early lynch of Macros. He has a habit of trusting his gut over his logic that has directly led to several wins for scum. I might also still be bitter over the ending of the Evil Twins game.

Interesting, so you want to lynch Mac for a reason which is definitely not to do with him being scum, but specifically for being a (badly playing) RI.


Vote JPK

That and the defending and deflection by Mess.

Still sticking with me symping JPK, Khell?

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

fuck it

I feel dirty for saying this but I want to test Khells theory

vote JPK

Dirty doesn't come close Mac.

So the first follower doesn't like doing it but is going to anyway to 'test the theory.' Perhaps (Shocking speculation!) Mac is Khells symp and wants to get traction started in another direction?

Nom steps up next, too many nested quotes for this reply

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

It feels like the bait thing occured to you as convenient just before this post. I don't particularly like the way you're trying to turn around the attention that Khell's giving you against him.

Can't say I'm convinced by his case but Khell doesn't appear any outstandingly scummy to me and because of the above points I'd much rather

vote Kitsu

Tatts then votes for Blend for tunnel vision

Ment throws out a post that says nothing for the quality of the case or for what they think of anything...

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I'm gonna
vote JPK

for now. There's an actual case for this lynch, and if Khell is wrong, we can go back and lynch him tomorrow.

There's a long break before the next votes flow, from RI Tatts going with Macs favourite, gut.

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I have had a bit of a think and my mafia head has taken the best of action.

remove vote
Vote JPK

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

I don't buy Nom's explanation of that scummy, hedging post he made after his case on JPK. But it doesn't change the fact that JPK is indeed the likeliest scum right now. His case on Khell is a joke and his latch on the 'so-called sliip' shows that he'd be happy to hold on to a turd if only it was flung Khell's way. That's where I'm gonna vote for now.


Mac's moral high ground rubs me the wrong way, too.

vote JPK

Siergie considers JPK to be the likeliest despite the trains being equal, EoD being a long way off and joins Khell clutching at his own turd. Tatts removes because long time to go, returning to 5vs5

JPK self-votes

Siergiej votes for Nom

Another long gap, Tatts votes JPK then jumps to Blend

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

How is that a shocker when I voted him earlier?

So now I am Khell's partner?

remove vote


vote Blend


If we do not lynch you or Khell, this will be you again tomorrow.

Siergie jumps to Blend, JPK to Khell. Khell is now on 5 votes, JPK on 4.

Andorian wanders along:

Andorion, on 21 February 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

I am going to

Vote JPK

Blend will keep

Uhhh... what?

Tatts jumps back to JPK who then suicides.

Not by any moeans much of an analysis posted for which I appologies. My own conclusion is that the sweet posters that sent it to JPK were, aside from Khell/Mac combo at the start of the train, Siergie who tipped JPK from hopeful of bouncing it back to Khell and primarily Andorian who with his vote and subsequent vanishing sealed the lynch of JPK.

Whilst I'm suspicious of Khell/Mac and would like Khell lynched, to me Andorian and Siergie look like a better place to find scum.

What does everyone else think?

The problem with your conclusion is that it is predicated on me being scum and being protected by other scum. I am not, so they are not (at least, not genuinely, but of course we can't rule out them doing it nefariously).

[Khellendros]

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

lol, are you serious? That was my first post, and it was tongue in cheek given my already precarious position. I really did not expect to survive day 1 from the get go.

[Khellendros]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

Well exactly. What about that contradicts anything I've said? I think there are multiple scum, which seems obvious, and my personal belief is that there is at least one on each major train.

That gives us two nice smaller groups to go through. Other people might feel different, but I feel confident in eliminating some people as potential suspects (for now), which makes the groups even smaller. For example, Blend from the "Khell group".

[Khellendros]

I do, in fact, arch my eyebrow quizzically at those who have defended me the most ardently - as, aside from myself, only scum know for sure that I am not one of them.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm in Kentucky for a career fair all day today. Will be back tonight to catch up.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 19 hours 13 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: (Nom, Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go night.

1 vote HD (Bubba)

Players not voted: (Nom, Ment, Khell, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, HD)

[bubba]

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

4 anons, who are they Bubba?

The brave ones.

Not brave enough to get naked with Tatts.

Perhaps wise is a better term?

Those have run away long ago

Years ago before I became an admin I caught too players cheating using the PS powers( they PMed me by accident). It sucked and ruined Mafia for me for a long time. When I became an admin, I swore to myself never to abuse those powers in game or on the boards in general. And I never have. And no those two don't play anymore.

Except that time in TLDMS when you made a post in my alt while I was supposed to be dead.

????

mod power abuse. Don't think I've forgotten

I don't remember what game that was. And why did you edit my post?

[Khellendros]

I'm going to be busy most of the rest of today but will try to put together an assessment of three or four players tonight/tomorrow.