[Kessobahn]

Pallid, on 02 February 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Sorrit suggests that Trake is a puppet and I can see that and killing puppets makes sense.

What I can't understand is why Kessobahnwould believe Sorrit so easily.

Kesso, Why?

Sorrit thinks that Trake is the master.

[Pallid]

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

I agree that there are decent odds of Trake being a puppetmaster and that I'm 90% sure he's not on my team.

Vote Trake

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Otherwise, you guys are right. I'm a puppet, and lynching me will be nothing but a waste of your time.

I can confirm this by self-voting at l-1 if you'd like. My vote holds no weight.

I don't know whether Trake is a puppet or not, but this is just hilarious.

Why vote if you're going to claim your vote is useless?
This just doesn't make sense.

[Pallid]

Kessobahn, on 02 February 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Pallid, on 02 February 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Sorrit suggests that Trake is a puppet and I can see that and killing puppets makes sense.

What I can't understand is why Kessobahnwould believe Sorrit so easily.

Kesso, Why?

Sorrit thinks that Trake is the master.

And that's a reason for a lynch why?


It's just curious that you followed Sorrit so quickly.

[Sorrit]

Trake, on 02 February 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

I agree that there are decent odds of Trake being a puppetmaster and that I'm 90% sure he's not on my team.

Vote Trake

I thought I was a puppet?

I wouldn't have bothered with this if that was what I thought.

Pallid, on 02 February 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

I agree that there are decent odds of Trake being a puppetmaster and that I'm 90% sure he's not on my team.

Vote Trake

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Otherwise, you guys are right. I'm a puppet, and lynching me will be nothing but a waste of your time.

I can confirm this by self-voting at l-1 if you'd like. My vote holds no weight.

I don't know whether Trake is a puppet or not, but this is just hilarious.

Why vote if you're going to claim your vote is useless?
This just doesn't make sense.

If all the other votes were legit them hammering themselves would prove they're a puppet. Ofcourse we can't know for sure how many votes on them are legit.

[Pallid]

I'm asking why Mockra bothered to vote for Trake if the vote is useless.

[Mockra]

Because why not? You guys didn't know that the vote was useless at the time I laid it. And I didn't decide to reveal until after I laid the vote.

[Bek Okhan]

After Mockra's recent posts,

Remove Vote


I think Trake is playing deliberately dumb.

Vote Trake

[Trake]

Bek Okhan, on 02 February 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:

After Mockra's recent posts,

Remove Vote


I think Trake is playing deliberately dumb.

Vote Trake

Deliberately dumb?

What the actual fuck does that mean? Do you expect me to dazzle you with a display of brilliance? Or do you expect me to pull a miracle out of my ass and prove that I'm not controlling Mockra?

Or god forbid, do you expect me to teach you idiots how to play faction games?

[Lock]

Huh, well that all spiralled quickly. Reading on way home, won't properly engage till later.

[Telas]

OK, reading up now. I'm not 100% sure how much I want to rely on Sorrit's claim that these two alts are definitely one and the same. But Mockra has revealed puppet, so for now:

Remove Vote

While I assess the situation.

[Pallid]

Telas, on 02 February 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

OK, reading up now. I'm not 100% sure how much I want to rely on Sorrit's claim that these two alts are definitely one and the same. But Mockra has revealed puppet, so for now:

Remove Vote

While I assess the situation.

Yeah, I think lynching the puppet wouldn't be that useful. I'm not convinced that lynching Trake would achieve anything either.

Remove Vote

[Ultama]

Sorrit, on 02 February 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

That's 6 alright

I think Mockra and Trake are the same person. It's partly based on meta I admit. Mockra's defense is shit, I doubt that Mockra expected anything like that to actually work. That being said I suspect Kess might be the same person too but I'm way less confident about that.

This will make me look real bad if Mockra turns out the leader but I believe they're puppet and Trake likely their master.

edit: Mess typo to Kess

You started the switch to Trake here, me I would prefer to lynch Mockra and see his CF before painting him as anything but leader as he is the one who looks like he slipped. Others have jumped onto your idea and switched to Trake which looks dodgy in itself and a possible defense of Mockra.

[Ultama]

So now the lynch has swung towards Trake with Kesso Mockra and Bek voting him. I am leaving my vote for now.

[Sorrit]

Ultama, on 02 February 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 02 February 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

That's 6 alright

I think Mockra and Trake are the same person. It's partly based on meta I admit. Mockra's defense is shit, I doubt that Mockra expected anything like that to actually work. That being said I suspect Kess might be the same person too but I'm way less confident about that.

This will make me look real bad if Mockra turns out the leader but I believe they're puppet and Trake likely their master.

edit: Mess typo to Kess

You started the switch to Trake here, me I would prefer to lynch Mockra and see his CF before painting him as anything but leader as he is the one who looks like he slipped. Others have jumped onto your idea and switched to Trake which looks dodgy in itself and a possible defense of Mockra.

The Chains of continuous posts that preceded the post of mine fortified my suspicions about Mockra being a puppet, I believed we would jst lost another day if we lynched Mockra. By lynching the master we will also get all of the puppets they possess, maybe it's more than one. Whoever is Mockra's master it's still the same person who possibly slipped in Mockra alt so that argument carries over all of their alts.

[Alkend]

Sorrit, on 02 February 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

The Chains of continuous posts that preceded the post of mine fortified my suspicions about Mockra being a puppet, I believed we would jst lost another day if we lynched Mockra. By lynching the master we will also get all of the puppets they possess, maybe it's more than one. Whoever is Mockra's master it's still the same person who possibly slipped in Mockra alt so that argument carries over all of their alts.

I hate to challenge your assertion here but didn't puppets live on after the death of masters in the last games? Plus that wasn't a full CF we got meaning there's a chance of returning from the dead and picking up those puppets strings again.

[Pallid]

Alkend, on 02 February 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 02 February 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

The Chains of continuous posts that preceded the post of mine fortified my suspicions about Mockra being a puppet, I believed we would jst lost another day if we lynched Mockra. By lynching the master we will also get all of the puppets they possess, maybe it's more than one. Whoever is Mockra's master it's still the same person who possibly slipped in Mockra alt so that argument carries over all of their alts.

I hate to challenge your assertion here but didn't puppets live on after the death of masters in the last games? Plus that wasn't a full CF we got meaning there's a chance of returning from the dead and picking up those puppets strings again.

From what I remember, the puppets lived on and voted according to a random number generator.

[Alkend]

Fanderay, on 02 February 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 02 February 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 February 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 February 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 01 February 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 February 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

Telas, on 01 February 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

Just looking back over the train section, and this stood out.

Mockra, on 31 January 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

I was thinking partly along similar lines as Sorrit here.

The other thing that I have on my mind is that I don't have a full idea of who is on my team. The information we have as players is limited. The way that I can find out the information I'm missing is by getting other players to speak up and start interacting with one another and analyzing their interactions.

There's a reason why I posed it as a question rather than an accusation or vote.

Followers know most of the players in their faction already (their leader plus themself is 2 out of 3). Their concern is finding the leaders of opposing factions. But leaders don't know anything about their team. They are the ones who worry that they 'don't have a full idea who is on their team'. Mockra's priority is finding his own team, and that screams leader to me.

Ah, but that third is key. I don't want to aim blindly and hit the member I don't know. Would you want to take that risk, or would you rather try to fill in your blind spot?

The point is that odds that you hit your fellow are 1:7. Those are some very good odds by mafia standards.

Yeah, that's decent. It's still a 3 way split at the moment though and even with that 1:7 I'd rather try to fill in the blanks then risk putting my team at a disadvantage.

At the same time, you're wrong about the odds. (Never tell me the odds!) I do know my leader, but that leaves me 12 other alts floating around. That also assumes that I'm not a puppeteer and that I'm on the bonehunters which is the only team that would actually be likely to not have puppet alts running around. None of which am I prepared to confirm or deny at this point.

According to the op, the Bonehunters leader is a rock gnome, which the information thread states has a clockwork toy (puppet alt) as it's racial ability. Of course you wouldn't be deliberately avoiding that fact, would you?

This made me lol. Mockra if you're going to be a know it all you have to actually be right!

And then the way Mockra tries to backpedal sounds like someone caught in a lie trying to bluff their way out.

I don't really like Telas's attitude, but his theory seems like a good one.

Gamelon says he likes the theory, but there's a noticeable absence of accompanying vote. He also seems to have ramped up the activity a bit looking for dirt on other players...could be a defender? Not sure. He was sort of doing that yesterday too.

Then there are several players who have just ignored it completely. Alkend, Tulas Shorn, Trake and Lock haven't discussed it at all. Apparently Tulas Shorn is more interested in fighting yesterday's arguments...

So overall, mixed bag. Engagement from a few players has been positive (Kessobahn, Ultama), but mostly not that strong. A few players who might be trying to distract, but nothing concrete. I'll keep an eye on it.

I ignore it because I don't see anything worth me contributing on. I can read the OP and calculate odds. I have done so.

[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 02 February 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 01 February 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Oh look at that, killing the Survivor accomplished so much.

And are you serious Trake? First, I'm accused of defending Omtose hard so they might be on the same faction as me, and then, when it turns out that they are indeed the survivor, you say it's suspicious that people would be defending the survivor hard??

How about this: It wasn't defending, it was just pointing out some reasonable logical sense, which only a couple of other people seem to get.

Hang on a minute - Trake never even mentions you! He fingers me and Alkend:

Trake, on 01 February 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

I'm wondering now, why would Alkend and Gameleon stick their necks out to defend Omtose? Did they really want a 10 AP person walking around determining the winner of this game?

Is this a slip? Tulas and Alkend might be run by the same player.

Or you two. TS is either low posting like a bastard because they're a leader or they're a puppet.

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 02 February 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Otherwise, you guys are right. I'm a puppet, and lynching me will be nothing but a waste of your time.

I can confirm this by self-voting at l-1 if you'd like. My vote holds no weight.

Hang on just a moment here. You're making the claim of being a puppet. Everyone then piles off your train. That stinks.

All this "don't lynch puppets" BS can only be coming from puppets/puppeteers because no-one is hitting them at night and they give the puppeteers big advantages. Get rid of them any way possible.

Remove Vote

Vote Mockra

[Alkend]

Can we get a vote update please PS so we know where we are.