[amphibian]

 Cyphon, on 11 September 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

They could say crusade in the trailer and then jihad in the film, that way they don't risk putting people off until they're in the cinema.

Who is "people to be catered to" in this sentence and who is not?

The source material is heavily invested in this being a jihad. There is even a prequel written by his son called Dune: The Butlerian Jihad, which rather baldly explains what the struggle is against - oppressors and the machine overlords.

I understand that there's a large portion of the American audience and apparently the global audience that is going to be bothered by the usage of jihad and would be less or not bothered by the usage of crusade.

That's a shitty audience to cater to though.

[Tsundoku]

The correct answer is "Because money".

[QuickTidal]

What's really interesting is that somehow, in the Western zeitgeist, the word Crusade seems to be less triggering for marketing than the word Jihad.

It's taken decades of teaching the idea that the Crusades were somehow a "good thing" or that they weren't so bad, or that they were inexplicably "righteous"...when they were LITERALLY a religious Christian mob descending/invading the lands of a people (Arabs and other inhabitants of the Fertile Crescent) who lived there in the name of their fictional deity to "recover it" from supposed heathens who lived there. There were NINE Crusades spread over 200 years. Between 1 and 3 million people were killed. If there is a worse and more brutal thing in the past of Christianity I'm not sure what it is.

But somehow...the blood-soaked Crusades, where white Europeans spent 200 years trying to eradicate a people from the lands they were born on for utterly no reason....are deemed as the kinder/less triggering term between Crusades and Jihad?

That's the part that should really bother people. Crusade should be the more feared term.

[Cyphon]

 amphibian, on 11 September 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

 Cyphon, on 11 September 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

They could say crusade in the trailer and then jihad in the film, that way they don't risk putting people off until they're in the cinema.

Who is "people to be catered to" in this sentence and who is not?

The source material is heavily invested in this being a jihad. There is even a prequel written by his son called Dune: The Butlerian Jihad, which rather baldly explains what the struggle is against - oppressors and the machine overlords.

I understand that there's a large portion of the American audience and apparently the global audience that is going to be bothered by the usage of jihad and would be less or not bothered by the usage of crusade.

That's a shitty audience to cater to though.

It is, but how was % of the fan people won't go because of no jihad, as opposed to % of general public who will in reality make or break the financing of this film if they associate it with jihad.

Dunno why they brought this on themselves. They could of just said Holy War.

[Macros]

If you say *the* crusades, it means the bloody holy wars run by the pope and co in the middle East hundreds of years ago.

The word crusade has now gone under a reverse metamorphosis of Jihad, where Jihad now (in the general unwashed masses eyes) means bloody struggle taken to another's lands and crusade means a campaign or struggle of any kind to right a perceived wrong or ideological battle.

Media use the word crusade here a lot and for trival things, its meaning has really shifted in general usage.

Now, the fact that the word originally coined for a Christian holy war that was fucking awful has now morphed into a much more beneficent word and Jihad (lets, for basic arguments sake) the islamic/Muslim equivalent (give me that for now) has gone the opposite direction to mean purely a visit holy war is not accidental.

But as sombra says, hey monies, and some of the white folks at the top think jihad has too many negative connotations now, not because of actual meaning, but because people are uneducated knee jerk reaction right wing Christian fuck wits.

[Garak]

I always treated both words as meaning holy war. Which I always treated as land grabbing with a religious excuse - no better than standard land grabbing but it futile pretends it has moral high ground. Considering the massive war the Fremen wage across the Empire, I'd say Herbert also went for holy war when he said jihad. Either way this is a minor thing and not that relevant.

Not sure why he changed the gender of Lyet Kynes but as long as the character is still recognizable it's fine.

I'm interested in seeing how the Harkkonen are portrayed. Because they were a joke in the Lynch movie. I much prefered them in the mini series, where the Baron was a large ham.

[Mezla PigDog]

I saw the trailer last night. I always thought I had read Dune years ago but from the trailer I guess I haven't. I wonder what I read instead. Anyway just here to say I have an inexplicable crush on Timothée Chalamet. Like really inexplicable.

[Tsundoku]

Maybe you want to mother him? He's about the same age as your sprout isn't he?

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[Gorefest]

Saw the trailer in the cinema on Saturday. Awesome stuff, looks like they are sticking to the first novel quite well. The clips of the sandworm looked bloody epic, it is HUGE.

[Mezla PigDog]

 Tsundoku, on 14 September 2020 - 10:09 AM, said:

Maybe you want to mother him? He's about the same age as your sprout isn't he?

Like I say - inexplicable. I try not to think about it but then he pops up on screen and I'm left wondering why I feel funny. It took me a while to work out what it was!

[Aptorian]

 Mezla PigDog, on 14 September 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

Anyway just here to say I have an inexplicable crush on Timothée Chalamet. Like really inexplicable.

That's his name? Timothée Chalamet? Could your name beee more pretentious???

[Gorefest]

His dad is French. So not that weird surely? I mean, it isnt exactly laurant Alfalfa Llewelyn-Bowen the Third or somesuch.

Hadnt realised he was in Interstellar as well.

[Mezla PigDog]

 Gorefest, on 14 September 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

His dad is French. So not that weird surely? I mean, it isnt exactly laurant Alfalfa Llewelyn-Bowen the Third or somesuch.

Hadnt realised he was in Interstellar as well.

He must be an actual child in Interstellar. I had been considering a rewatch as it keeps popping up in conversation. That could cure me if I can get around to it.

[QuickTidal]

 Mezla PigDog, on 14 September 2020 - 01:23 PM, said:

 Gorefest, on 14 September 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

His dad is French. So not that weird surely? I mean, it isnt exactly laurant Alfalfa Llewelyn-Bowen the Third or somesuch.

Hadnt realised he was in Interstellar as well.

He must be an actual child in Interstellar. I had been considering a rewatch as it keeps popping up in conversation. That could cure me if I can get around to it.

I loathed the newest LITTLE WOMEN film (I'm a huge fan of the 1994 one)...but Chalamet is Teddy in it....and he's 100% the best part about it. I would watch him in anything, I find him to be a really solid young actor.

[Aptorian]

 Gorefest, on 14 September 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

His dad is French. So not that weird surely? I mean, it isnt exactly laurant Alfalfa Llewelyn-Bowen the Third or somesuch.

Hadnt realised he was in Interstellar as well.

The French are all pretentious by birth. It's in their genes. Along with terrible smoking habits, tight shirts and weird fondness for elongated bread.

[amphibian]

He's gorgeous. That part is like so uncontested that you're mostly all skipping over it.

He's also a very good actor.

[QuickTidal]

 amphibian, on 14 September 2020 - 03:55 PM, said:

He's gorgeous. That part is like so uncontested that you're mostly all skipping over it.

He's also a very good actor.

He is. I'm a heterosexual dude, but yeah in my opinion he joins the ranks of pretty men that are so attractive that it's unfair to the rest of us regular Shmoes. LOL

[Aptorian]

Are you saying he's the Sarah Jessica Parker of the 2020s?

[QuickTidal]

 Aptorian, on 14 September 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

Are you saying he's the Sarah Jessica Parker of the 2020s?

SJP has never been attractive.

[Aptorian]

 QuickTidal, on 14 September 2020 - 04:41 PM, said:

 Aptorian, on 14 September 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

Are you saying he's the Sarah Jessica Parker of the 2020s?

SJP has never been attractive.

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