[Imperial Historian]

You might find some of the discussion we've had about the geography of the malazan world useful if you do this, i'll try and have a look for them later, but yeah the idea sounds good to me

[Cause]

You know just yesterday I saw someones attemp to create a world map for aSoIaF. It was brilliant. Im not sure though were some of the information come from. He had the maps from the book very detailed placed on the page and than he had outlines of the rest of the continents. I will see if I can find it somewere.

Here it is

http://www.westeros....ap-world01a.gif

[Imperial Historian]

Ok....*cracks knuckles*... my thoughts on the continents and there relationship's to one another:

First off all we know that there are six major landmasses or continents on the world of malaz... whether the continents are split up as in our world or are completely seperate landmasses is unknown.

So bearing this in mind the continents and subcontinents are:

Lether (as far as we know not connected to any of the other continents)
Assail (Also unconnected to teh rest of teh continets)
Genebackis (Unconnected to other continets as far as i'm aware)
Koreli (referred to as sister continet to jacuruku)
Stratem (sub-continent of koreli, may possibly be jacuruku under another name)
Jacuruku (sister continet of koreli, surface was removed and placed in imperial warren, may or may not still be in existence)
Seven Cities (always referred to as sub-continent)
Quon Tali (Also referred to as subcontinent)
Falar (i think this is another sub-continent mentioned)

Anywya that gives the following groupings of continents/subcontinents:

Seven Cities/Quon Tali/Malaz Isle/Falari continet/isles are all together in one land mass or near each other from teh map in DHG

Lether, Genebackis and Assail are all seperate continents which don't appear to be connecte dot other landmasses

Korel, Jacuruku and Stratem all inhabit the same sort of area, neighbouring one another.

From this i think teh 6 continets loctated by the first empire must be Lether, jacuruku, korel, assail, genebackis and the seven cities area where the first emprie originated.

Now the location of the continents in relation to one another:

Quon Tali, malaz isle and the falari isles are south of seven cities, seven cities natives are generally darkskinned and the further soth you go the darker skinned they are, quon tali are also darkskinned from what I can gather. So that places the continent at aroudn the equatorial position in my opinion, as the weather fits that sort of climate.

Genebackis is to the east of seven cities, from the direction of travel of kalam and fiddler and thy both border the same sea (Seekers deep, east coast of seven cities and Meningalle ocean on genbackis's west coast are confirmed to be the same). The northern region of genabackis is said to be tundra, which places it further north than the seven cities grouping, thouh the malazans being in the north of the continent is something of a problem there.

Assail is to the east or west of letheras, can't quite recall which, but looking at what direction iron Bars and his crew came from will confirm that.

Lether's location in relation to genebackis is confimed in MOI, when one of the barghast discusses the edur, he mentions they fled to a shadowed northern forest on a distant continent, which suggests lether to me (can someone look that up for me?). (Note: the ice in lethers northern territory does nto mean it is in the north, this ice results from gothos ice magic and not from nature)

Assail's location can also be inferred from MOI, as the direction of travel of the imass from assail to the gathering (can someone look that up for me)

Korel is south of quon tali and seven cities (from NoK)

I think thats enough for now, there's probably some more info in the books which will help, but that's what i can think of from the top of my head. Corrections and additions are welcome.

hope that helps.

[polishgenius]

A few thoughts from me, mainly on Lether. Make of them what you will.

I don't think the Edur homeland mentioned in MoI is Lether. It doesn't fit the description as I recall it. I could be totally wrong, since I don't have MI to check, but the "dark, shadowy forest" mentioned by Itkovian doesn't fit Lether in my mind.
Anyway his description seems to me to imply that the Edur are dominant on that continent while in MT, which I think finishes reasonably shortly before the rest starts, the Edur were largely dominated by Lether until that book.
Perhaps the forest is north of the Lether icecap.


I'm not sure that the Malazan world is anything similiar to the size of Earth - the scale of the tiled floor in the Azath would indicate that, although there is of course no indication that all of that is in the same worlds.

[Arkmam]

Gothos working his Omtose Mojo could have the effect that the north of Lether is covered in ice, even if the continent lies far to the south.

But it was a while since my last read of Midning Tides, so don't take anything I say as a fact.

[Murrin]

A thought occurred to me while looking at the maps - if there is indeed a large archipelago, it might just extend from the north-east of Seven Cities, considering the land formations in that direction.
If that is the edge of the archipelago on the map, then that means the main ocean of the Malazan world is to that end of Seven Cities (if Edgewalker was remembering right).


Another thing I've been meaning to bring up: scale. We know the size of the few places we have maps of, but we don't know the size of the Malazan world - other than, if I remember correctly, that it is similar to earth in water/land ratio, but a bit bigger overall. Do these maps take this into account? Seven Cities seems to take up far too much of the total map area in some of them.

[Imperial Historian]

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I feel I should jump in here regarding the location of Lether. It is certainly in the north - pretty close to where Jonathan has it placed. The reason we know that it is in the north and not the south is that the map in MT provides a north arrow. We know that the north part of Lether is tundra and then ice-cap, so near the pole.

Yes but the entire icefield tundra region was artificially created by gothos right back at the prologue of MT, when he froze all the bodies of those who died in the battle.

So though there is tundra in the north of lether during MT, this does not necessarily place lether in the north.

So lether being in the south works, indeed if letehr was in the north as you suggest it could not be close enough to assail for iron bars and co to sail too.

[Jorram]

Great job, F'racc!

Some points:

quote:

-Fid & co arrived in Karakarang from Genebackis on the NE coast of 7C,DG page 59

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quote:

-Malazans came both from NE and NW suggesting that Genebackis is to the S of Quon Tali. GotM page 491

This is controversial. Quon Tali is affirmatively south of 7C. It is impossible that Genabckis is NE of 7C and south of Quon Tali both. More likely, the Malazans have investigated the areas of Genabackis that were more vulnerable and launched their attack from the northern parts of the 7C-adjacent continent or 7C itself - to the north of Genabackis.

quote:

-This one is a bit strangesince it's not in harmony with the map in MT. A map with the course plotted EAST? from edur lands and then south over a VAST ocean, DG page 336

Well, it sort of works in a globe i guess...

quote:

-The skykeeps arrive over water to northern 7c. Is there a continent up there? HoC page 607

I figured they flew from a continent on the other side of the globe and passed the pole, thats why they were coming from north. I don't understand why is this in Raraku's memory though, since Raraku must be far souther.

quote:

-I lean towards Genebackis being to the north of Quon Tali because of the tundra in the north, but this also puts Segulaeh pretty close to Quon Tali? And the archipelago wich ends in Segulaeh, does it ekstend to the N or S?

why archipelago? anyway, i think Genabackis is simply to the E of 7C and NE of Quon Tali.

Some of the quotes are really controversial, so maybe we shouldnt put too much weight on random mentionings.. perhaps SE wrote them before having worked out the layout of the entire map

[Imperial Historian]

Ok i've found the quote about Stratem, it's from the preface of chapter 9 in MOI:

"on the sub-continent of Stratem, beyond Korelri's south range, can be found a vast peninsula where even the gods do not tread. Reaching to each coast encompassing an area of thousands of square leagues stretches a vast plaza..."

There's also a mention about stratem in blood follows, though only in passing, nothing to really place it.

Also from blood follows, the isle of theft, which as far as I can gather is to the north of korel and seems to be where the malazans initially landed.

Also a note, malaz isle seems to be the closest point to korel as it's where all the malzan forces/command were initially based.

I'd agree with most of your speculaions on the nature of seven cities, quon tali and co, but i wouldn't be so sure that there was a siginifcantly more landmass there... as if there was surely the malazans would have conquered there by now, or we would have heard about it at any rate.

I'd say seven cities is likely to be in the same boat as quon tali, but together they are grouped as a continent.

[Tiste Simeon]

quote:

Originally posted by Paleman:
As the Lord of Vione said...just wait for the encyclopedia (although who knows when that is due.....not a rhetorical question).

I'll bet Patch does... *dark suspicious looks*

quote:

I tell ya even Simeon was showing signs of recent brain eating activities the other day on MSN...

I was?? http://www.malazan.c...on_confused.gif
Oh, and stop spamming... http://www.malazan.c...miles/oponn.gif *hands pipe to Adeaphon*
IH - could you find the link to that thread?

[Murrin]

Is it ever stated in The Healthy Dead which continent Quaint is on? It would help give some idea of where Korelri is (since the trio sailed straight out into the empty ocean from Theft, and so the continent Quaint is on is probably in that general direction).

[Set'alahd Crool]

I got the impression that Korelri WAS the archipelago. A continent-scaled one,that is. With Stratem being a long and narrowish piece of land. Possibly the shattering of a continent refers to Korelri being litterally shattered????
The KCCM's superior....uh, stonecraft survived the Fall.Maybe.

I also think, inspired by this thread, that though Korelri's nearest point to Quon Tali is south of Malaz most of the shattered continent stretches east from there. Maybe even slightly north-east further out.
The malazan troops might reach eastern Genebackis' shores from some eastern point of north Korelri, sailing around the Elingarth region. All they'd need is a port.

[fortyseven]

the KCCM made the plaza on Stratem iirc.

[Imperial Historian]

Well here are some of teh discussion i found about geography of the malaz world... i'm sure there's another indepth one somehwere but i can't find it, so anyway here they are:

http://malazan.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/...373/m/551100714
http://malazan.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/...373/m/955104524
http://malazan.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=...73&m=5016019985
http://malazan.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/.../4716053382/p/1

They may hep, they may not, there was another better one but for the life of me i cannot find it, maybe someone else will have more luck.

Also this may help you:

http://www.geocities...n2002/maps.html

I think i may post up my thoughts again on the positions of the continents at some point in the future if the other topic in which it was discussed doesn't surface.

[Arkmam]

quote:

Originally posted by Folken Fanel:
Forgive me for being such a n00b...when and where was Stratem mentioned?

Originally posted by Imperial Historian:
Ok i've found the quote about Stratem, it's from the preface of chapter 9 in MOI:

"on the sub-continent of Stratem, beyond Korelri's south range, can be found a vast peninsula where even the gods do not tread. Reaching to each coast encompassing an area of thousands of square leagues stretches a vast plaza..."

[Malaclypse]

I have indeed seen a Malazan world map, but my poor brain is not inclined towards spatial relationships and so I cannot recall much that might be of use to this effort. There is an extensive archipelago reaching halfway across the main ocean and the island of the Seguleh is at the southwestern corner of Genabackis and is a fair size, that's about all I can remember at this point

[Murrin]

Jacuruku still exists.

Did you check the scales? I got the impression that Seven Cities was a lot smaller than Quon Tali.