[Macros]

But by God she can dance!

[Tiste Simeon]

So our cabinet is busy resigning and if this wasn't Brexit related I'd be rejoicing in the downfall of the Tory party but I fear this is just going to make things worse.

[Mezla PigDog]

Anyone's guess where we are going to be this time next week.

Our business finally got sorted in Amsterdam. Clients were informed yesterday. Absolute deluge of them asking to switch.

[Gorefest]

Raab resigning surely is the final nail in the coffin. The last cabinet Brexiteer to realise that the whole thing was a fairytale to begin with. It is beyond staggering that he, as the Brexit secretary, did not even realise how important the Dover-Calais connection was for UK trade. What an utter oaf. So now all the hard-line Brexiteers are on the side lines, shouting that their ideals were poorly handled even though they themselves (Johnson, Davies, Raab) were directly involved in the process to begin with until they realised they couldn't do it and bailed ship. What a mess.

[Cause]

Tiste Simeon, on 15 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

So our cabinet is busy resigning and if this wasn't Brexit related I'd be rejoicing in the downfall of the Tory party but I fear this is just going to make things worse.

Its amazing to me to watch how many people resign in British politics. Does not happen here unless you are caught on camera beating 3 women in a night club, and even then you stay around for a month or two to see if the will fire you first.

So are they resigning in actual protest, or does resigning somehow protect their future career prospects outside of government?

Are there any kinds of polls to see if the british people would be significantly more likely to vote stay now that they know the costs?

[Macros]

they're resigning so when it all goes to fuck they can say "well I wasn't involved hurr durr". The pro brexit media will lap it up and lamblast whomever happens to be sitting in westminster the exact minute and second the docket that fucks us all is signed.

These morons should never be allowed to work in politics for for the civil service in any capacity ever again. dollars to donuts we'll see a lot of their smug faces back in seats next election. people are stupid and stupid people are allowed to vote

[Mezla PigDog]

Cause, on 15 November 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 15 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

So our cabinet is busy resigning and if this wasn't Brexit related I'd be rejoicing in the downfall of the Tory party but I fear this is just going to make things worse.

Its amazing to me to watch how many people resign in British politics. Does not happen here unless you are caught on camera beating 3 women in a night club, and even then you stay around for a month or two to see if the will fire you first.

So are they resigning in actual protest, or does resigning somehow protect their future career prospects outside of government?

Are there any kinds of polls to see if the british people would be significantly more likely to vote stay now that they know the costs?

They are resigning from the Cabinet i.e. the people at the top of each department in the government. They are not resigning their jobs as elected Members of Parliament. People resign from the cabinet when they cannot support the official line the government is taking so usually on points of principle because cabinet should be united. Or they are forced to resign for bringing the esteemed role into dispute in the case of bad behaviour.

Then there's a level where MPs resign from their party but remain as an MP which triggers an election in their constituency. Then total resignation as an MP which is usually because you've been caught doing something really bad.

[Cause]

Mezla PigDog, on 15 November 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

They are resigning from the Cabinet i.e. the people at the top of each department in the government. They are not resigning their jobs as elected Members of Parliament. People resign from the cabinet when they cannot support the official line the government is taking so usually on points of principle because cabinet should be united. Or they are forced to resign for bringing the esteemed role into dispute in the case of bad behaviour.

Then there's a level where MPs resign from their party but remain as an MP which triggers an election in their constituency. Then total resignation as an MP which is usually because you've been caught doing something really bad.

We donts have principals here and if you resign from cabinet you immediately resign as an mp as well because that way you get a lifetime salary as a cabinet minister as opposed to a salary as a MP. You guys have shot yourself in the foot but your still better of than most.

[Andorion]

The more I read about Brexit, the less and less sense it makes. Honestly my current impression is that this group of people randomly decided it would be cool to leave the EU and are now getting slapped in the face by reality.

The PM really should resign. She seems unable to deliver even at the basic level.

[Gorefest]

Andorion, on 15 November 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

Honestly my current impression is that this group of people randomly decided it would be cool to leave the EU and are now getting slapped in the face by reality.

No, you got it spot on. That is exactly what has happened.

And now uber-creep Jacob Rees-Mogg is asking for a vote of no confidence in Theresa May. Gods forbid that he will become the new Tory leader. This has nothing to do with what is good for the country and everything with what makes people look good in the populist media. USA lite, really.

[Gorefest]

Genuinely, one of the cabinet ministers said this morning on national radio (Radio 5) that "80% of the British public support this deal." Then, when questioned on where he had that statistic from, he actually said "I'm producing a number to try to illustrate what I believe" and then after continued questioning completely climbed down and said "I totally apologise for that and I take it back".

I mean, honestly, where are the sandbags?

[Mezla PigDog]

Completely unrelated to Brexit today I received an invite from my MP to go to Parliament, meet him and have a tour. I think it's a semi-regular random thing for constituents to be invited. Can't wait if I can swing the childcare! I'd like to say the Tory scum will rue the day he invited me but I know I'll be unfailingly polite when it comes to it.

[Cause]

It was foolish to put a referendum to the people (with the consequences not understood) and to let a simply majority decide. The vote was a statistical anomaly, it could have been repeated the day after and probably swung the other way. It honestly should have been we stick with the status quo unless we get 55% vote to leave or greater.

A decade from now the calculated costs to the british economy will be sobering. Unless the EU does collapse and britian is the only survivor in which case you will laugh and laugh.

[Gorefest]

I believe in the cyclic nature of history. The founding principle of the EU was to avoid another war on the scale of World War 1 and 2. Human memory sadly is rather short and there are now enough generations who have not been directly exposed to war and extreme adversity to see a return to isolationist and nationalist sentiments. In the USA as well as in the EU. There are several other countries (e.g. France, the Netherlands) where a similar referendum would have given a similar outcome. The richer and more well off people become (relatively speaking), the less willing they are to share. And the more keen they are to pull up barriers. The past becomes a romanticised beacon of glory times (Empire) and the clock starts ticking down.

[Khazduk]

I'm a massive anglophile and basically everything that has filled my life the last 30 years (apart from work and family) originated in old Blighty - Tolkien, Iron Maiden, Monty Python, Spurs (and yes I was at the last game at WHL) - but what the actual funk has it come to, the Brutish empire?

[Macros]

It's more like the Brittas Empire

[Andorion]

Gorefest, on 15 November 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

Genuinely, one of the cabinet ministers said this morning on national radio (Radio 5) that "80% of the British public support this deal." Then, when questioned on where he had that statistic from, he actually said "I'm producing a number to try to illustrate what I believe" and then after continued questioning completely climbed down and said "I totally apologise for that and I take it back".

I mean, honestly, where are the sandbags?

In other words "I made this shit up out of thin air and I am sorry I got called out for it"
Do they even live in the same reality?

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Tiste Simeon, on 15 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

So our cabinet is busy resigning and if this wasn't Brexit related I'd be rejoicing in the downfall of the Tory party but I fear this is just going to make things worse.

Yup.

Note Rees-Mogg isn't daft enough to offer himself for the poisoned chalice of leadership, but will sit on the sidelines and vote no confidence.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 15 November 2018 - 04:07 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

Ugh Rees Mogg as PM makes me feel physically sick.

[EmperorMagus]

Tiste Simeon, on 15 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

Ugh Rees Mogg as PM makes me feel physically sick.

The only thing I know about the guy is that he was wearing an ugly double-breasted suit today.

He would have looked better in ripped jeans and a half-torn t-shirt.

I hate his guts already.