[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Maark Abbott, on 04 October 2019 - 07:21 AM, said:

Gorefest, on 03 October 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

Interestung she would use the Charge of the light brigade. A group of light cavalry who were ordered by their leaders to perform a totally stupid and miscommunicated manouvre which would most likely kill them all and end in slaughter. So is Ann Widdecombe finally admitting that Brexit is a criminal and idiotic fool's quest?

You take my living standards and I'll take yours too
Your name is funny so I'll deport you
And Brexit is for rich and white, not black
So patrol the cliffs and send them back

I see what you did there - I like it!

[Maark Abbott]

De Pfeffel 'agrees' deal with EU. Predictably the Breklets go nuts, like rabid football hooligans. Which I assume 95% are.

However my assessment based on every other party including the DUP saying 'wow this is shit pal' is that the EU are basically saying 'here's something, now fuck off'.

At best it's De Pfeffel trying to steer away from begging for an extension and so that he can blame everything going tits up on everyone else.

[Malankazooie]

So today is important, yeah?

A vote to try and turn this exercise in futility Trick or Treat stroll into a pillow case of full size Kit Kat candy bars OR (more probably) a flaming bag of dog shite on the step. At which point the vote extends this madness into the hopes that a Yule Log can be shat out before we see the start of the next decade?

[worry]

Glad to see enough folks didn't give in today and accept an awful deal out of sheer fatigue.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yeah. If this deal had been presented at the referendum they'd never have won. Being tired of the Tory nonsense is not a good enough reason to accept his rubbish.

[Mezla PigDog]

The deal could still go through though, right? They haven't voted it down, they voted to delay voting on it until no deal was off the table via an agreed extension. There is concern the hard liners could vote for the deal but then against it when it came back for second reading just before 31 October. The chap who tabled the vote for the delay says he probably will vote for it when it comes to it. I think there are enough Labour MPs in Leave areas that will vote for it, it could succeed.

I have barely been following it. Brexit fatigue is a real thing.

[Maark Abbott]

Mezla PigDog, on 20 October 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

The deal could still go through though, right? They haven't voted it down, they voted to delay voting on it until no deal was off the table via an agreed extension. There is concern the hard liners could vote for the deal but then against it when it came back for second reading just before 31 October. The chap who tabled the vote for the delay says he probably will vote for it when it comes to it. I think there are enough Labour MPs in Leave areas that will vote for it, it could succeed.

I have barely been following it. Brexit fatigue is a real thing.

Your fatigue (and that of the nation overall) is what de Pfeffel is counting on.

[Grief]

Mezla PigDog, on 20 October 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

The deal could still go through though, right? They haven't voted it down, they voted to delay voting on it until no deal was off the table via an agreed extension. There is concern the hard liners could vote for the deal but then against it when it came back for second reading just before 31 October. The chap who tabled the vote for the delay says he probably will vote for it when it comes to it. I think there are enough Labour MPs in Leave areas that will vote for it, it could succeed.

I have barely been following it. Brexit fatigue is a real thing.

He could absolutely get a deal. Mostly I think he's counting on two basic facts:

1. The realistaion in Westminster that a second referendum is increasingly plausible in light of the opposition rejecting Johnson's attempts to push for an election. Interesting how after weeks of European leaders suggesting that Johnson wasn't making serious proposals the UK government is suddenly making concessions to try and get a deal to happen.

2. The fact that Johnson is a far better populist than May. Johnson could be celebrated for securing a deal that would've been dead before May proposed it - and this also means he can more plausibly promise electoral success. He's also taken advantage of the awkward position the opposition has put itself in. A referendum is the main threat to his position but the opposition took a long time to come around to that.

Numbers wise... predictions are close but it does seem like it could get through.

[Tiste Simeon]

John Bercow, all round hero and one of the few voices of reason and sanity in the last few years, not allowing a second vote due to it just being the same old thing again, and using the very words of thanks JRM sent to him when he did this very thing for Theresa May's deal earlier in the year is a beautiful thing.

[Maark Abbott]

Tiste Simeon, on 21 October 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

John Bercow, all round hero and one of the few voices of reason and sanity in the last few years, not allowing a second vote due to it just being the same old thing again, and using the very words of thanks JRM sent to him when he did this very thing for Theresa May's deal earlier in the year is a beautiful thing.

What timeline is this, where a Conservative is the sole voice of reason in the Commons.

[Tsundoku]

Maark Abbott, on 22 October 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 21 October 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

John Bercow, all round hero and one of the few voices of reason and sanity in the last few years, not allowing a second vote due to it just being the same old thing again, and using the very words of thanks JRM sent to him when he did this very thing for Theresa May's deal earlier in the year is a beautiful thing.

What timeline is this, where a Conservative is the sole voice of reason in the Commons.

It's not important.

[Maark Abbott]

Tsundoku, on 22 October 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 22 October 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 21 October 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

John Bercow, all round hero and one of the few voices of reason and sanity in the last few years, not allowing a second vote due to it just being the same old thing again, and using the very words of thanks JRM sent to him when he did this very thing for Theresa May's deal earlier in the year is a beautiful thing.

What timeline is this, where a Conservative is the sole voice of reason in the Commons.

It's not important.

I don't know, it might be. Perhaps a turning point for the party where they are no longer entirely objectionable?

A slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

The timeline is never important. You know that!

[Maark Abbott]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 22 October 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

The timeline is never important. You know that!

Especially if you're ICE.

[Tiste Simeon]

So. Brexit not happening this week. BJ kisses yet another thing he put to parliament (what's that 12-0?) and the whine thing trundles on. Because a tiny minority voted in a non binding referendum over 3 years ago to leave without knowing any of the key facts and after being lied to and after one side being proven to have broken electoral law.

Carry on.

[Maark Abbott]

Tiste Simeon, on 28 October 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

So. Brexit not happening this week. BJ kisses yet another thing he put to parliament (what's that 12-0?) and the whine thing trundles on. Because a tiny minority voted in a non binding referendum over 3 years ago to leave without knowing any of the key facts and after being lied to and after one side being proven to have broken electoral law.

Carry on.

Yep.

[Tsundoku]

So ... who are you guys voting for? UKIP? Brexit Party?

But seriously, if there was ever a time Britons should turn out and vote after thinking very carefully it's probably this one.

Of course all elections should have max attendance of eligible voters, who have all thought deeply ... but like that's ever going to happen.

https://www.news.com...fb99af251d81ad8

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

The problem really is the only result that would provoke change (a Labour win) seems so unlikely. I'm not saying a Labour win would solve everybody's problems and present no new ones, but I think it's the only way the state of play would alter substantially.

However, on any post about why the Tories are bad for the country or about Johnson or the Brexit mess, below the comment line is full of people lambasting Labour or Corbyn or both, including lots saying that they hate the Tories but won't vote for Corbyn.

I'd love to think they're just a really vocal minority but my fear is that they aren't and that the Tories will just get in again.

[Maark Abbott]

At this stage we can quite safely say anyone who votes Tory is either daft or thinks they'll get some of those delicious tax breaks.

Time to get those dirty blues out eh!

[Silencer]

Maark Abbott, on 29 October 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

At this stage we can quite safely say anyone who votes Tory is either daft or thinks they'll get some of those delicious tax breaks.

Time to get those dirty blues out eh!

So, following in the vein of the US politics thread, this kind of declarative "if you do X, you're Y" stuff needs to stop, at least until the admin team has figured out what we're doing.

I get it. It's frustrating and it's hard to see why someone would ever want to vote for the other party - but as mundane as calling someone daft is, this is the kind of one sided rhetoric that discourages debate, rather than encourages it.