[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

I hope to think I don't have one style of play. I like to think I can play differently every game. Everyone seems to be posting this game so I can back off and be a normal player. I'm not suspicious of you for the mechanics, I am suspicious at you for bringing up possible town roles.


How does it benefit town to discuss our roles? Scum already have more information than town, why make their job easier?


How can you not see this?

[Blend]

I'm here - working on getting through Day 1 read-up, but I just wanted to pull this out:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Oh short introduction since I've not found a better place to do it.

I'm new here, have been playing mafia for a long time on another forum though.

It seemed like great fun to me to join a new community where I'm not yet aware of everyone's meta and such.
I'm watching the mafia 'champions' game, since my other forum also sent a representative, and saw that there was a champion from Malazan Empire (that's you, bear man).
I'm a big fan of Malazan, and not a big fan of the ridiculously 'srs bsns' tone that the bigger mafia boards have, so this seemed perfect.

I'm going to enjoy playing with you all and hope you do the same

And say welcome fellow Malazite! We hope you enjoy our version of Mafia. I imagine it'll be a lot looser and less fast paced than the Mafia you're used to (as Mafia anywhere else I've seen frikkin terrifies me).

[Blend]

Ooh, just noticed I was naked. Glad I changed that fairly quickly!

Coltaine93 - we log in anonymously when we're playing a game of Mafia. That way people can't see if you're reading the thread and not posting, or if you're on at specific times and stuff.

[Blend]

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Ooh, just noticed I was naked. Glad I changed that fairly quickly!

Coltaine93 - we log in anonymously when we're playing a game of Mafia. That way people can't see if you're reading the thread and not posting, or if you're on at specific times and stuff.

When you're not anonymous, we call that being naked!

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

I hope to think I don't have one style of play. I like to think I can play differently every game. Everyone seems to be posting this game so I can back off and be a normal player. I'm not suspicious of you for the mechanics, I am suspicious at you for bringing up possible town roles.


How does it benefit town to discuss our roles? Scum already have more information than town, why make their job easier?


How can you not see this?

Oooh, pushy Tatts. He's been absent a while.
* scribbles note *

Gosh, this is looking so much like good old non-Malazan style regular mafia that I actually feel a little bit lost. Can you tell I am trying to make up for that by being all sarcastically cynical with an ironic undertone?

[Blend]

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Ooh, just noticed I was naked. Glad I changed that fairly quickly!

Coltaine93 - we log in anonymously when we're playing a game of Mafia. That way people can't see if you're reading the thread and not posting, or if you're on at specific times and stuff.

When you're not anonymous, we call that being naked!

You're also naked Gusty!

[Tapper]

Also, 'ello Ghust. Good to have you with us once more.

Right now: I am a tiny bit suspicious of Khell because I expected him all over thread.
And pushy Tatts may be town Tatts trying to pressure, but from personal experience, pushy Tatts equates sympish Tatts building smoke screens, equates look-at-me-not-playing-like-I-think-a-killer-would-therefore-I-am-totally-not-scum Tatts.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 26 April 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Also, 'ello Ghust. Good to have you with us once more.

Right now: I am a tiny bit suspicious of Khell because I expected him all over thread.
And pushy Tatts may be town Tatts trying to pressure, but from personal experience, pushy Tatts equates sympish Tatts building smoke screens, equates look-at-me-not-playing-like-I-think-a-killer-would-therefore-I-am-totally-not-scum Tatts.

This is quite true. Although, your current mood/posts has me believing you're sucking up. I don't like. Back off bub

[Andorion]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

What happened to the other one?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

I have two thoughts.

1) Those are all standard roles you've listed in my view.

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

3) I'm hungry.


Guess I had three thoughts. Now to do something about the third.

Since non-standard was mentioned, I thought it better to list out the standards and get them out of the way first. Town vig may be a non standard. Too tame for you though?

Vote Andorion


Second time you're looking into town roles. BIG NO.

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

My thoughts exactly> New players, non alted game, so ets lay out the basic pattern and proceed from there

The problem that Khell and Macros have with you Andorion, is that you speculated on town roles which is a big no!

Town has barely any profit from those speculation, let scum figure on their own

for now



vote Andorion

Y'know, its never stated anywhere that the non standard role is town or scum. It could just as easily be a scum with unusual abilities. Premature conclusions harm Town's choices as well

Point No. 1

[Andorion]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

What happened to the other one?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

I have two thoughts.

1) Those are all standard roles you've listed in my view.

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

3) I'm hungry.


Guess I had three thoughts. Now to do something about the third.

Since non-standard was mentioned, I thought it better to list out the standards and get them out of the way first. Town vig may be a non standard. Too tame for you though?

Vote Andorion


Second time you're looking into town roles. BIG NO.

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

My thoughts exactly> New players, non alted game, so ets lay out the basic pattern and proceed from there

The problem that Khell and Macros have with you Andorion, is that you speculated on town roles which is a big no!

Town has barely any profit from those speculation, let scum figure on their own

for now



vote Andorion

Y'know, its never stated anywhere that the non standard role is town or scum. It could just as easily be a scum with unusual abilities. Premature conclusions harm Town's choices as well

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Disclaimer: I don't know your genders. I'm calling everyone a male until I know otherwise since that's usually the closest to truth anyway.

Posts I found interesting so far.

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

Vote Kellendros, Vote Nom or Vote Trump. I think I need more informations to decide

thinking

thinking

thinking

Vote Trump

A shame he is not partitioning. The only election he would get my vote.

As a first note, this post was edited and I really do not see why. Might be something as inconspicuous as a spelling error, but in my experience people who edit their posts are often scum trying to make something seem less scummy.
The Trump vote is an obvious joke, but in Coltaine's case it looks more like blending in with the group as a new player than as a continuation of the joke, especially since he considered two other people who might have fought back but he resorted to the joke vote.

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

Good Morning!!
This is something I can get behind

It figures. Let the list be dwindled.

I feel like a mannequin...

Good Morning

17 players Tapper, can we get your take on possible mechanics? You think he may have thrown a recruiter into the mix?
Ah, decisions are important in mafia. When presented with those three options, Khell is the obvious choice

Howdy Siergiej

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Aaand both Macros and Khell make good points about Andorion, although not talking about the "non standard role", is like ignoring the elephant in the room. With 17 players, i'd think it would lean toward favouring scum.

I don't know anything about Tattersail's meta, but the first one is a very long post without making a single game-related point.
Also very interesting to note is how Tattersail first joined into Andorion's mechanics talk, then later claims that Macros and Khell make good points about him, while still (on his own) continuing the mechanics talk.
I think between Andorion and Tattersail, Tattersail came off more suspicious in this exchange.

[Vote lynch Tattersail]

Oh hello, nicely done. The first post wasn't meant to add anything game related, it is day one after all.

The difference between me speculating on what the extra role may be, (asking Tapper, who has run a lot of games) and Andorion speculating on what town roles there may be is huge. I am looking at it from a town perspective which should not benefit scum, whereas he is looking into town roles which can only benefit scum.

...Totally ignores later post about scum roles....

Point No. 2


Dear Tatts,

please read the above

Regards

[Tattersail_]

Read your back tracking? Whatever for?

[Blend]

I really liked this post:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

My my look at the hornets nest that got poked.

Personally I dislike role speculation, especially this early as it only plays into the scums hands.
And (it was andorion I don't think, will check) someone then followed up with something along the lines of 'well we need to get things straight early on'.
No we don't, anything assumed now is just that, an assumption, and playing a game out based on day one speculation is asking for trouble. This kind of talk just screams attempts at thread direction to me, which I really dislike. Going back to page one here to see if I can find the offending post. Maybe it was andorion, but I think it was someone else.

Early doors yet, but currently would vote for andorion or the other post Im going to hunt down. Probably wrong, as its overtly blatant but it could be a dump or a ballsy scum. Unlikely.

Especially considering he then went and pulled out the post he was talking about:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

There he is, mr 'oh so helpful to the newbies' Tattersail.
Congrats tatts, you just jumped to the head of the queue.

vote Tattersail

Whilst I don't like andoruons speculation, this little bit of subtle yet oh so helpful directioning floats my boat for a vote. And his happiness to lump suspicion on Andorion while doing exactly what he does just helps.

Also, will be mostly.playing from phone, expect typos galore, and alted seems to autocorrect to salted, and I get sick of fixing it so bear that in mind.

Macros out while he drives to next job

I've certainly seen worse Day 1 cases. Plus, we can't leave Tatts and Khell BOTH around. If they're on the same team, we'd best hope it's town otherwise we get rid of one of them fast!

I'm having a really hard time understanding where the hell this came from:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yes, no assumptions on Cult till we see a Cult CF!

When Andorion calls him out on it, he then mentions a few other of the non-regular mechanics (SK, FM), I think to try to hide something he shouldn't have said. Of course, that's kind of stupid of me to assume, Messremb's a crafty bastard, so I doubt he's not fully aware of exactly what he's doing.

Anyway, point is, I'm keeping my eye on Messremb, but I'm most interested, at this moment, in voting on Tatts.

[Tattersail_]

With regards to your point number 1.

"Premature conclusions harm Town's choices as well"


This is what Macros was getting at. I don't see your point with reference to my voting you?

[Gust Hubb]

Been working through the text between exercising and getting ready for work.

Two things jumping at me:
Tatts getting a hard on for day 1 is atypical (I agree Tapper)
Bubba lurking is odd, because usually by now he has been labeled as acting off and and is getting frustrated under fire

I am in the Vote Tatts camp

vote tatts

[Gust Hubb]

I initially was leaning Andorian. We have had good luck in the past going after the first person to bring up mechanics. If Tatts wasn't acting so weird I would lean more that way.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

I really liked this post:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

My my look at the hornets nest that got poked.

Personally I dislike role speculation, especially this early as it only plays into the scums hands.
And (it was andorion I don't think, will check) someone then followed up with something along the lines of 'well we need to get things straight early on'.
No we don't, anything assumed now is just that, an assumption, and playing a game out based on day one speculation is asking for trouble. This kind of talk just screams attempts at thread direction to me, which I really dislike. Going back to page one here to see if I can find the offending post. Maybe it was andorion, but I think it was someone else.

Early doors yet, but currently would vote for andorion or the other post Im going to hunt down. Probably wrong, as its overtly blatant but it could be a dump or a ballsy scum. Unlikely.

Especially considering he then went and pulled out the post he was talking about:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

There he is, mr 'oh so helpful to the newbies' Tattersail.
Congrats tatts, you just jumped to the head of the queue.

vote Tattersail

Whilst I don't like andoruons speculation, this little bit of subtle yet oh so helpful directioning floats my boat for a vote. And his happiness to lump suspicion on Andorion while doing exactly what he does just helps.

Also, will be mostly.playing from phone, expect typos galore, and alted seems to autocorrect to salted, and I get sick of fixing it so bear that in mind.

Macros out while he drives to next job

I've certainly seen worse Day 1 cases. Plus, we can't leave Tatts and Khell BOTH around. If they're on the same team, we'd best hope it's town otherwise we get rid of one of them fast!

I'm having a really hard time understanding where the hell this came from:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yes, no assumptions on Cult till we see a Cult CF!

When Andorion calls him out on it, he then mentions a few other of the non-regular mechanics (SK, FM), I think to try to hide something he shouldn't have said. Of course, that's kind of stupid of me to assume, Messremb's a crafty bastard, so I doubt he's not fully aware of exactly what he's doing.

Anyway, point is, I'm keeping my eye on Messremb, but I'm most interested, at this moment, in voting on Tatts.

Messremb may get his reference to Cult from this

Quote

17 players Tapper, can we get your take on possible mechanics? You think he may have thrown a recruiter into the mix?

I mentioned this in my first post. I got it from somewhere recently, just trying to remember where...

[Tattersail_]

Ah, found it.

Grief, on 22 April 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

3. Why so few cult games? I'm not talking mind-bending mechanical monstrosities, which is where we do seem to find cults. I'm talking about other forms of low TMDI game, aside from the standard M&P. Cult games in particular have something of an advantage over killer games in terms of activity; players don't die off except through lynching, and there are essentially an increasing number of symps to give people clues. Mixing up the Low TMDI games could be helpful I think. As it stands, I feel like there can be a bit of a dichotomy here between very standard M&P and very complicated high TMDI games.

Grief mentions it, then Tapper and Shin mention it too. Not too far off the mark that Gnaw may have included one in this game, as it has been a while since we seen one and 17 players is quite a high number for just 3 scum.

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 03:12 PM, said:

Been working through the text between exercising and getting ready for work.

Two things jumping at me:
Tatts getting a hard on for day 1 is atypical (I agree Tapper)
Bubba lurking is odd, because usually by now he has been labeled as acting off and and is getting frustrated under fire

I am in the Vote Tatts camp

vote tatts

Any reason for this?

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

I initially was leaning Andorian. We have had good luck in the past going after the first person to bring up mechanics. If Tatts wasn't acting so weird I would lean more that way.

In what way am I acting weird?
(if it is my play style that you are unfamiliar with, I have been playing this way for the past few games).

[Blend]

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

I initially was leaning Andorian. We have had good luck in the past going after the first person to bring up mechanics. If Tatts wasn't acting so weird I would lean more that way.

I can attest to that - I've been rightfully lynched in early days for just that. I've also been wrongfully lynched for the same reason... so I've just learned not to talk about game mechanics much. I do it all the time anyway, I just know I shouldn't.