[Andorion]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yes, no assumptions on Cult till we see a Cult CF!

Eh who said anything about a Cult? I must have missed something

You got the Serial Killer memo though?

And just to complete the set, the FM-ing Tyrant Predator?

I'll lay money on an FM

BTW what do you think of a Tatts killer, Nom symp duo?

[Messremb]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yes, no assumptions on Cult till we see a Cult CF!

Eh who said anything about a Cult? I must have missed something

You got the Serial Killer memo though?

And just to complete the set, the FM-ing Tyrant Predator?

I'll lay money on an FM

BTW what do you think of a Tatts killer, Nom symp duo?

Have you any examples of symping?

Tatts plays a bit like me - he has quiet games or quiet days but can be a posting monster (spambot) too without it having a real bearing on his role. As a result I find it difficult to get a decent read on him in early game (and we have been confused before too)

[Dhenrabi]

What is symp and FM?

[Messremb]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

I'll lay money on an FM

Something you want to tell us before we all lynch you as the FM?

Although in all practicality an un-alted game is one where you can guarantee there will not be an FM. You'd have to tell PS your account password, have PS change it and tell the FM then at the next jump/death of FM get your own account returned to you

[Andorion]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yes, no assumptions on Cult till we see a Cult CF!

Eh who said anything about a Cult? I must have missed something

You got the Serial Killer memo though?

And just to complete the set, the FM-ing Tyrant Predator?

I'll lay money on an FM

BTW what do you think of a Tatts killer, Nom symp duo?

Have you any examples of symping?

Tatts plays a bit like me - he has quiet games or quiet days but can be a posting monster (spambot) too without it having a real bearing on his role. As a result I find it difficult to get a decent read on him in early game (and we have been confused before too)

No specific symping yet, he did pile on pretty fast after Tatts though.

I agree its a bit early to come to definite conclusions, but this does not seem like one of Tatts high posting - throw shot and see what sticks strategy which I have seen him use when he is Town.

[Andorion]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

I'll lay money on an FM

Something you want to tell us before we all lynch you as the FM?

Although in all practicality an un-alted game is one where you can guarantee there will not be an FM. You'd have to tell PS your account password, have PS change it and tell the FM then at the next jump/death of FM get your own account returned to you

Keep on forgetting the un alted aspect

[Tattersail_]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Disclaimer: I don't know your genders. I'm calling everyone a male until I know otherwise since that's usually the closest to truth anyway.

Posts I found interesting so far.

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

Vote Kellendros, Vote Nom or Vote Trump. I think I need more informations to decide

thinking

thinking

thinking

Vote Trump

A shame he is not partitioning. The only election he would get my vote.

As a first note, this post was edited and I really do not see why. Might be something as inconspicuous as a spelling error, but in my experience people who edit their posts are often scum trying to make something seem less scummy.
The Trump vote is an obvious joke, but in Coltaine's case it looks more like blending in with the group as a new player than as a continuation of the joke, especially since he considered two other people who might have fought back but he resorted to the joke vote.

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

Good Morning!!
This is something I can get behind

It figures. Let the list be dwindled.

I feel like a mannequin...

Good Morning

17 players Tapper, can we get your take on possible mechanics? You think he may have thrown a recruiter into the mix?
Ah, decisions are important in mafia. When presented with those three options, Khell is the obvious choice

Howdy Siergiej

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Aaand both Macros and Khell make good points about Andorion, although not talking about the "non standard role", is like ignoring the elephant in the room. With 17 players, i'd think it would lean toward favouring scum.

I don't know anything about Tattersail's meta, but the first one is a very long post without making a single game-related point.
Also very interesting to note is how Tattersail first joined into Andorion's mechanics talk, then later claims that Macros and Khell make good points about him, while still (on his own) continuing the mechanics talk.
I think between Andorion and Tattersail, Tattersail came off more suspicious in this exchange.

[Vote lynch Tattersail]

Oh hello, nicely done. The first post wasn't meant to add anything game related, it is day one after all.

The difference between me speculating on what the extra role may be, (asking Tapper, who has run a lot of games) and Andorion speculating on what town roles there may be is huge. I am looking at it from a town perspective which should not benefit scum, whereas he is looking into town roles which can only benefit scum.

[Andorion]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

What is symp and FM?

Read this

Roles are listed

[Tattersail_]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Oh short introduction since I've not found a better place to do it.

I'm new here, have been playing mafia for a long time on another forum though.

It seemed like great fun to me to join a new community where I'm not yet aware of everyone's meta and such.
I'm watching the mafia 'champions' game, since my other forum also sent a representative, and saw that there was a champion from Malazan Empire (that's you, bear man).
I'm a big fan of Malazan, and not a big fan of the ridiculously 'srs bsns' tone that the bigger mafia boards have, so this seemed perfect.

I'm going to enjoy playing with you all and hope you do the same

You're more than welcome here. This is an altless game, but we usually hide behind alts which cracks down on the meta because no one is good at alting everyone.

[Andorion]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

What happened to the other one?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

I have two thoughts.

1) Those are all standard roles you've listed in my view.

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

3) I'm hungry.


Guess I had three thoughts. Now to do something about the third.

Since non-standard was mentioned, I thought it better to list out the standards and get them out of the way first. Town vig may be a non standard. Too tame for you though?

Vote Andorion


Second time you're looking into town roles. BIG NO.

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

My thoughts exactly> New players, non alted game, so ets lay out the basic pattern and proceed from there

The problem that Khell and Macros have with you Andorion, is that you speculated on town roles which is a big no!

Town has barely any profit from those speculation, let scum figure on their own

for now



vote Andorion

Y'know, its never stated anywhere that the non standard role is town or scum. It could just as easily be a scum with unusual abilities. Premature conclusions harm Town's choices as well

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Disclaimer: I don't know your genders. I'm calling everyone a male until I know otherwise since that's usually the closest to truth anyway.

Posts I found interesting so far.

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

Vote Kellendros, Vote Nom or Vote Trump. I think I need more informations to decide

thinking

thinking

thinking

Vote Trump

A shame he is not partitioning. The only election he would get my vote.

As a first note, this post was edited and I really do not see why. Might be something as inconspicuous as a spelling error, but in my experience people who edit their posts are often scum trying to make something seem less scummy.
The Trump vote is an obvious joke, but in Coltaine's case it looks more like blending in with the group as a new player than as a continuation of the joke, especially since he considered two other people who might have fought back but he resorted to the joke vote.

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

Good Morning!!
This is something I can get behind

It figures. Let the list be dwindled.

I feel like a mannequin...

Good Morning

17 players Tapper, can we get your take on possible mechanics? You think he may have thrown a recruiter into the mix?
Ah, decisions are important in mafia. When presented with those three options, Khell is the obvious choice

Howdy Siergiej

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Aaand both Macros and Khell make good points about Andorion, although not talking about the "non standard role", is like ignoring the elephant in the room. With 17 players, i'd think it would lean toward favouring scum.

I don't know anything about Tattersail's meta, but the first one is a very long post without making a single game-related point.
Also very interesting to note is how Tattersail first joined into Andorion's mechanics talk, then later claims that Macros and Khell make good points about him, while still (on his own) continuing the mechanics talk.
I think between Andorion and Tattersail, Tattersail came off more suspicious in this exchange.

[Vote lynch Tattersail]

Oh hello, nicely done. The first post wasn't meant to add anything game related, it is day one after all.

The difference between me speculating on what the extra role may be, (asking Tapper, who has run a lot of games) and Andorion speculating on what town roles there may be is huge. I am looking at it from a town perspective which should not benefit scum, whereas he is looking into town roles which can only benefit scum.

...Totally ignores later post about scum roles....

[Messremb]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

What is symp and FM?

To quote from the 101,

Symping
1. Symping someone: defending someone and/or supporting someones arguments in a suspicious way.
2. Symping (general): a playstyle often associated with the symp role (scum): causing chaos on thread through rapid vote changing, multiple accusations and trying to make a lot of people lynchable to make sure town unity is non-existent.

The Symp
The most common scum support role.
The symp is an RI to all outward appearances, even on Coroner Finder. However, the Symp knows at the least one of the main scum players, and often more than one. This allows them to deflect attention from that player, as well as allowing them to masquerade as a Finder (since they know the alignment of most if not all other players in the game).

So essentially the symp is scum but no kill, knows one or more killers, counts towards scum majority but when dead CFs as Town. Because they CF as town they can deflect lynches/throw themselves under the bus/cause mayhem and it cannot be proved for fact that they were scum aligned


The FM (Faceless Man) is a different kettle of fish;

Faceless Man (aka FM)
1. a role that allows alt jumping. In essence, the Faceless Man targets another alt. At the end of a designated period of time (sometimes the end of the phase, sometimes after a full day and night cycle), the players switch game alts. After that, the player who now plays from the FM's former alt is removed from the game. Sometimes, the password of the game alt is changed to avoid fuck-ups.
2. term used on the GRRM forums for the killer role.
The Faceless Man is a role that is almost exclusively used as a solo faction, and tends to dominate games.

So the FM picks another players game alt and takes complete and permanent control of it; the former player dies and is identified as having been the original alt of the FM. The FM will need to adapt their posting style to match the original players. So for instance in this game were Tatts a FM he'd target me, jump into me in Night and the Night resolution would report that "Tattersail has died, he was Messremb and Town" Tatts would now post from the Messremb account and pretend to be me. Now when you consider we generally play with alts, swap Tattersail for Demelain and it is only apparent if you've identified who is in the alt or if you notice changes in posting style.

As I say, no FM in this game.

[Tattersail_]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Can someone point me towards the anonymous option because I can't find it

When logging in, there is an option to do so, you just need to tick the box. Sign out and back in looking for it.

[Messremb]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

No specific symping yet, he did pile on pretty fast after Tatts though.

I agree its a bit early to come to definite conclusions, but this does not seem like one of Tatts high posting - throw shot and see what sticks strategy which I have seen him use when he is Town.

Tatts is UK (like me) but is awake at normal times (totally unlike me) so thread is fresh and new today for him. I need to sleep soon but coffee

[Tattersail_]

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

There he is, mr 'oh so helpful to the newbies' Tattersail.
Congrats tatts, you just jumped to the head of the queue.

vote Tattersail

Whilst I don't like andoruons speculation, this little bit of subtle yet oh so helpful directioning floats my boat for a vote. And his happiness to lump suspicion on Andorion while doing exactly what he does just helps.

Also, will be mostly.playing from phone, expect typos galore, and alted seems to autocorrect to salted, and I get sick of fixing it so bear that in mind.

Macros out while he drives to next job

I see your points regarding the assumptions. Like I said earlier, there is that elephant, the one over there, but we mustn't talk about it until we get more information. Like 2 deaths, or a cult CF like Mess mentioned. Which is fair enough.

[Tattersail_]

Now to take this into Meta territory, this is one of the highest posting starts to a game I have seen Andorion do. He is being overly talkative which is totally different to the way he usually plays.

Andorion, on 23 April 2016 - 12:33 AM, said:

Another more personal point:

I don't play Mafia the way you guys play Mafia. I don't play it as a separate tab on my work computer as I don't have a work computer. My work is quite different from the majority. I play Mafia at other times, and this affects my posting. Weekend breaks seem silly to me as those are the times I could play the most.

Related to this, there is another aspect: Some Mafia games are based on another media/theme like Legend of Korra, D&D etc. I think it is sort of presumed that players will have a basic idea what extra wrinkles these themes add to the game. This is not necessarily true. I had no idea what either of those two things were. So in games like these I would love an embedded link explaining briefly what the theme is and how its relevant to the game

I am not sure I made much sense. But this was what I was thinking off when I went to bed last night. Its 6 AM here. If this was a Mafia game, my active window would extend around 3 more hours

How is this for his posting times?

[Messremb]

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

How is this for his posting times?

I gave up on my spreadsheet about 25 games ago, you'll have to use the search function

Personally, I prefer higher contributions from everyone and am happy to see it. Ando clearly feels that he is getting a good enough feel for how games are structured to speculate on this one in thread. I like it.

[Andorion]

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

Now to take this into Meta territory, this is one of the highest posting starts to a game I have seen Andorion do. He is being overly talkative which is totally different to the way he usually plays.

Andorion, on 23 April 2016 - 12:33 AM, said:

Another more personal point:

I don't play Mafia the way you guys play Mafia. I don't play it as a separate tab on my work computer as I don't have a work computer. My work is quite different from the majority. I play Mafia at other times, and this affects my posting. Weekend breaks seem silly to me as those are the times I could play the most.

Related to this, there is another aspect: Some Mafia games are based on another media/theme like Legend of Korra, D&D etc. I think it is sort of presumed that players will have a basic idea what extra wrinkles these themes add to the game. This is not necessarily true. I had no idea what either of those two things were. So in games like these I would love an embedded link explaining briefly what the theme is and how its relevant to the game

I am not sure I made much sense. But this was what I was thinking off when I went to bed last night. Its 6 AM here. If this was a Mafia game, my active window would extend around 3 more hours

How is this for his posting times?

Absolutely correct. At home today, so I can cycle between tabs smoothly. If this was a workday I would have half the posts I think.

[Tattersail_]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:59 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

How is this for his posting times?

I gave up on my spreadsheet about 25 games ago, you'll have to use the search function

Personally, I prefer higher contributions from everyone and am happy to see it. Ando clearly feels that he is getting a good enough feel for how games are structured to speculate on this one in thread. I like it.

I also prefer the higher contributions. It looks like he has upped his posting (which is good for future games, especially if it comes the norm) but for this game, he is already acting differently then previous games. Therefore he might be a good place to start.

[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

Now to take this into Meta territory, this is one of the highest posting starts to a game I have seen Andorion do. He is being overly talkative which is totally different to the way he usually plays.

Andorion, on 23 April 2016 - 12:33 AM, said:

Another more personal point:

I don't play Mafia the way you guys play Mafia. I don't play it as a separate tab on my work computer as I don't have a work computer. My work is quite different from the majority. I play Mafia at other times, and this affects my posting. Weekend breaks seem silly to me as those are the times I could play the most.

Related to this, there is another aspect: Some Mafia games are based on another media/theme like Legend of Korra, D&D etc. I think it is sort of presumed that players will have a basic idea what extra wrinkles these themes add to the game. This is not necessarily true. I had no idea what either of those two things were. So in games like these I would love an embedded link explaining briefly what the theme is and how its relevant to the game

I am not sure I made much sense. But this was what I was thinking off when I went to bed last night. Its 6 AM here. If this was a Mafia game, my active window would extend around 3 more hours

How is this for his posting times?

Absolutely correct. At home today, so I can cycle between tabs smoothly. If this was a workday I would have half the posts I think.

So I am right, good excuse to post more, more free time. So I picked up on it, combined it with your town speculation and felt like you'd be a good place to start.

[Andorion]

I have in fact consciously tried to increase my posting. Maintaining it is going to be the challenge.

Will be ironic if I get lynched for it though.