Nicodimas, on 02 March 2018 - 03:49 AM, said:
Gorefest, on 01 March 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:
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The article is such a load of bullshit, it claims that arming teachers is the same as fire detection and suppression systems. Handing a teacher a Glock is the same as installing a sprinkler system.
But....but....surely it is obvious that introducing more guns into any environment will reduce gun violence? Just as introducing more flames into a building will reduce a fire. Just imagine the carnage if you wouldnt have any guns around. It would be a bloodbath.
Let's compare this to say Harry Potter for greater reference points, so maybe it might click on a different level:
Hogwarts was a open/concealed carry school!! Think about it..... they still had the power to kill, but let them have there wands. They all knew the words. They didn't because they had *values* instilled by their society. Values!! (Think about how modern society glorifies killing as entertainment)
So who doesn't obey these laws? Voldemort's allies (evil folks)...why would they as they are trying to snatch rule over others....
You wouldn't just have a bunch of defenseless kids at hogwarts.. Hogwarts actually teaches kids to defend themselves to the potentially big bad world. All the teachers have the ability to defend their kids as they are entrusted with other people's freaking kids. That should be one of the teachers primary goals ... keep kids freaking safe (from Voldemort).
Note: This is a fictional world that has more sense than the modern world! This world is far more dangerous too. Of course teachers should be prepared for evil. Teachers should be willing to defend the people we entrust them too... are people totally mad? Why are we sending kids to places you couldn't entrust them. A teacher should make it there priority to keep kids safe! The actual excuse is what it's too hard? Well guess what the worlds been like this for a long damn time and grow up and adult. Go look at the last century ..
Geez the teachers who don't want to use lethal , can use less than lethal...
Kids should also be prepared to defend themselves and know how to react too...
Note 1.5: ......You have to be prepared for these situations even if rare to mitigate the circumstances. These people go out and become adults and this would foster a community of people that look after each other! This is a good thing .. everyone has each other's back. This would foster more intelligent and situationally aware people that might have a backbone sometime later in life.
Note2: if any of the above was somehow a Harry Potter spoiler ...I really ..really challenge your priorities in life.
Firstly, "knowing the words" does not make a killing curse, intent and willpower matters.
Secondly, the Harry Potter world does not make sense at all - the school is in fact quite dangerous from the Whomping Willow, to the Centaurs in the forest.
Thirdly, the school does not count on the magical skills of the teachers or students to defend it, it has extremely formidable magical passive defences.
Fourthly, any of the hazards that struck the school in the first three books - would have seen any other school closed, maybe permanently.
Fifthly, the principal reason the students have to learn to fight at all is that the lawful authorities dropped the ball, badly and repeatedly.
Sixthly, the Battle of Hogwarts in book 7 showed how horrendously bloody turning a school into a battlefield could be - and that was with extremely skilled teachers, all the magical defences and guardians etc.
Thus the HP cannot, in any way be compared to the real world. HP does not constitute some ideal society, nor should it.
The basic fact, that limiting the availability of deadly weapons in developed societies has greatly decreased if not outright stopped mass shootings cannot be denied. It is a statistical reality. If American society or politicians cannot grasp this, then the fault lies with them.
But the sad thing is that most politicians probably do grasp this, its just that they are in the pockets of the NRA. That video of Rubio being unable to say that he won't take NRA donations is emblematic of the problem.
The gun-supporting public on the other hand - they are symbolic of some of the worst traits of American society - a type of toxic distrust and hostility, a delusional tendency to ignore the real problems and focus on partisan issues - I mean, if shooters are all suffering from mental problems, should not this mean that Congress ought to immediately legislate for a comprehensive health care scheme that made it possible for everyone to get the care they need?
The solution to people being randomly killed is not to turn society into a bunch of armed camps, it is to make society more loving, compassionate and inclusive.