[NefaraisBredd]

Kallor for President!
I have said this many times in this forum-Kallor is the most underrated character in this series. There are more ascendants than one can shake a stick at-Kallor has never ascended, yet Gods are afraid of him (Draconus&Co.)Kallor had a God dropped on him, the very same god who required almost every available god/ascendant to chain the bastard, yet, Kallor shrugged it off. He defeated Spinnok Durav, who is also extremely underrated. He's 300,000 yrs old for effin crimney sakes ! That automatically qualifies him to be one of the best swordsmen alive, period. But back to Kallor-Rake shows a lot of bravado around Kallor but never actually does anything. And another Azathanai(Brood) grumbles and threatens but again, doesnt actually try to follow through. Kallor is like Bruce Banner's alter ego-he just keeps coming like an unstoppable force-the more you resist, the mightier his rage, an inexorable force like Icarium. He fought Durav for an entire evening and was not really challenged by it-a twinge of a forgotten conscience stayed his hand. Oh ya! Draconus, the king of badassness, only cursed him cause he likely could not have defeated him!!!! No contest. Kallor is top five of all of Wu's badass characters.

This post has been edited by NefaraisBredd: 24 September 2015 - 11:10 PM

[Nevyn]

 NefaraisBredd, on 24 September 2015 - 11:09 PM, said:

Kallor for President!
I have said this many times in this forum-Kallor is the most underrated character in this series. There are more ascendants than one can shake a stick at-Kallor has never ascended, yet Gods are afraid of him (Draconus&Co.)Kallor had a God dropped on him, the very same god who required almost every available god/ascendant to chain the bastard, yet, Kallor shrugged it off. He defeated Spinnok Durav, who is also extremely underrated. He's 300,000 yrs old for effin crimney sakes ! That automatically qualifies him to be one of the best swordsmen alive, period. But back to Kallor-Rake shows a lot of bravado around Kallor but never actually does anything. And another Azathanai(Brood) grumbles and threatens but again, doesnt actually try to follow through. Kallor is like Bruce Banner's alter ego-he just keeps coming like an unstoppable force-the more you resist, the mightier his rage, an inexorable force like Icarium. He fought Durav for an entire evening and was not really challenged by it-a twinge of a forgotten conscience stayed his hand. Oh ya! Draconus, the king of badassness, only cursed him cause he likely could not have defeated him!!!! No contest. Kallor is top five of all of Wu's badass characters.

Bah, Kallor is poop. They brought down a god on his continent but missed him. And while they were trying to bring a god, they weren't really trying to do what they did.

He only lives without ascending because he got cursed. And each of the 3 gods managed to hack his pathetic curses so that they were not nearly as bad as he intended (he was too darn specific).

He gets to fight and beat Spinnock, because he is the upper limit of characters they could have him fight and win. And oh yeah, he fails at everything, forever, even the things he succeeds at. He even fails at murdering little girls in surprise attacks, little girls he is AFRAID of because a small part of the girls soul was once sort of an elder goddess.

[NefaraisBredd]

This is the same stuff i have heard before. Sure, he is cursed to fail-if they could have eliminated him they would have. Of course he fears azath spirits/souls-however-he is also cursed to live forever and SE's writing describes him as a warren unto himself when he starts swinging that bastard sword of his. Haters r gonna hate no matter what i guess

This post has been edited by NefaraisBredd: 25 September 2015 - 01:49 AM

[Andorion]

 NefaraisBredd, on 25 September 2015 - 01:48 AM, said:

This is the same stuff i have heard before. Sure, he is cursed to fail-if they could have eliminated him they would have. Of course he fears azath spirits/souls-however-he is also cursed to live forever and SE's writing describes him as a warren unto himself when he starts swinging that bastard sword of his. Haters r gonna hate no matter what i guess

Power wise Kallor is on the second tier. He fears both Brood and Rake, Rake in particular because Dragnipur is a horrifying fate for him. CHeck MoI for this.

He is also weaker than Draconus enraged, or Icarium unleashed. He has never fought Karsa. That would be interesting to watch.

Also I think Dassem could chop him into pieces. Have you read RotCG?

But excepting these apex fighters, Kallor is in fact extremely powerful

[worry]

Why must you equate "badass" to "proficiently violent", Ando?

[Andorion]

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 02:28 AM, said:

Why must you equate "badass" to "proficiently violent", Ando?

My definition of badass is someone who doesn't hesitate to fight irrespective of whether he or she could win. Basically someone who fights confidently against overwhelming odds.

People who fit this definition are Iron Bars, Spinnock, Karsa, Yedan Derryg, Trull, Kalam etc

Kallor is not like this. He is more of an opportunist. ANd he actively tried to avoid or run away from stronger opponents. He never confornted Rake to the point Rake would kill him. He only went after Whiskeyjack when he knew the CG would give him an escape route. He basically ran from Dassem

This post has been edited by Andorion: 25 September 2015 - 02:46 AM

[worry]

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

[Andorion]

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

Well, your definition would come close to fitting:

Mappo - dies tragically
Toc - dies tragically repeatedly
Whiskeyjack - dies tragically
Itkovian - dies tragically
Beak - dies tragically
Trull - dies tragically
Anomander Rake - dies tragically
Murillio - dies tragically
Seerdomin - dies tragically
Tool - dies tragically, wife dies tragically
Andarist - dies tragically


I am seeing a pattern here.....

[Nevyn]

 NefaraisBredd, on 25 September 2015 - 01:48 AM, said:

This is the same stuff i have heard before. Sure, he is cursed to fail-if they could have eliminated him they would have. Of course he fears azath spirits/souls-however-he is also cursed to live forever and SE's writing describes him as a warren unto himself when he starts swinging that bastard sword of his. Haters r gonna hate no matter what i guess

They didn't eliminate him because the curse was a more potent punishment.

[Nevyn]

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

My definition of a badass is someone who kills the sh*t out of people you and Andorion define as badasses because he can.


Note to OP: and doesn't fail at it killing some other character he wasn't even out to get.

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 25 September 2015 - 04:37 AM

[Mentalist]

 Andorion, on 25 September 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

Well, your definition would come close to fitting:

Mappo - dies tragically
Toc - dies tragically repeatedly
Whiskeyjack - dies tragically
Itkovian - dies tragically
Beak - dies tragically
Trull - dies tragically
Anomander Rake - dies tragically
Murillio - dies tragically
Seerdomin - dies tragically
Tool - dies tragically, wife dies tragically
Andarist - dies tragically


I am seeing a pattern here.....

Really, the only being of significance that fits the pattern and doesn't die is Cotillion.

[Andorion]

 Mentalist, on 25 September 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

 Andorion, on 25 September 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

Well, your definition would come close to fitting:

Mappo - dies tragically
Toc - dies tragically repeatedly
Whiskeyjack - dies tragically
Itkovian - dies tragically
Beak - dies tragically
Trull - dies tragically
Anomander Rake - dies tragically
Murillio - dies tragically
Seerdomin - dies tragically
Tool - dies tragically, wife dies tragically
Andarist - dies tragically

I am seeing a pattern here.....

Really, the only being of significance that fits the pattern and doesn't die is Cotillion.

Well technically he already did...........

[Tarthenal Theloman Toblakai]

Also they don't eliminate him because the gods who cursed him know restraint. Anomander Rake could best pretty much everyone and everything but never unleashes his full wrath. Kallor is dust off the boot of the Tier 1 'badasses' Karsa would laugh at such a 'child', Rake could skewer him with his eyes closed, Dassem DID skewer him, and Kallor was shocked, Whiskeyjack would probably have one banged him if not for the bad leg, the list goes on. I don't disagree in a way that Kallor is underestimated. He is written that way on purpose. But hes a minor player. Being a tyrant over others and having lived a long time does not a great fighter make. He is a great fighter ofc but one of opportunity, he begs scrapes and backstabs. The last thing is that I just don't like him! I need to see him skewered by Karsa at some point, or caught up by the Bridgeburners, Quick Ben and Kalam owe him, and Fiddler. Now that would be a story that could write itself!!

[Andorion]

 Nevyn, on 25 September 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

 worry, on 25 September 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Ah. Well my definition of a badass is someone who teaches children to love and respect one another, and to leave the world a better place than how they found it.
*Leans back with crossed arms and self-satisfied smirk*

My definition of a badass is someone who kills the sh*t out of people you and Andorion define as badasses because he can.


Note to OP: and doesn't fail at it killing some other character he wasn't even out to get.

So you have only one badass - Icarium

[Maark Abbott]

I think Kallor is actually Worry.

[Mentalist]

The other thing that eliminates both Kallor and Skinner from the list of potential badasses is the fact that whenever someone does lay a smackdown on them, they cry and beg for Crippled God to heal and save them, rather than taking the hurt like a man.

@Andorion: well, no. Dancer's the one who "died". Cots as a "Patron" is a whole other persona, albeit with Dancer' memories. Nevertheless, I'd posit Cots was fundamentally changed by his newfound responsibilities. He's the one God who's actually somewhat bound to work in some reciprocity in his relationship with his adherents.

[Andorion]

The one person I can think of who is compassionate and tries to make the world better and doesn't die is tavore. Ganoes paran is a candidate, but he died in GotM and only survived due to divine intervention.

@mentalist, yeah if you consider cotillion and dancer to be totally different. But is cotillion independent of dancer?

[Nevyn]

 Andorion, on 25 September 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

The one person I can think of who is compassionate and tries to make the world better and doesn't die is tavore. Ganoes paran is a candidate, but he died in GotM and only survived due to divine intervention.

@mentalist, yeah if you consider cotillion and dancer to be totally different. But is cotillion independent of dancer?

Well, technically worry just said someone who teaches children that . One need not embody the ideal to teach it.

For example, the T'lan Imass have served as a terrific counterexample. Think of the millions of children who know understand that if they attempt genocide due to being butthurt they will spend an eternity miserable and decaying but not dying. The more you know.

[Itwæs Nom]

 Maark, on 25 September 2015 - 02:08 PM, said:

I think Kallor is actually Worry.

I think not.
Kallor gets played by everyone more than anything else, even CG decieved him (the thing with king and reaver).
Worry just told us his idea of "badass" character and topic changed from killing machines to the nicest people being alive. And I believe hes just sitting there and laughing.
Hes Shadowthrone.

This post has been edited by Charlie Nom: 25 September 2015 - 06:03 PM

[Nevyn]

 Charlie Nom, on 25 September 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

I think not.
Kallor gets played by everyone more than anything else, even CG decieved him (the thing with king and reaver).
Worry just told us his idea of "badass" character and topic changed from killing machines to the nicest people being alive. And I believe hes just sitting there and laughing.
Hes Shadowthrone.

No, shadowthrone has shadowy motives, and grand ambitions. Kruppe is too noble.

He's Tehol.