[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 23 September 2015 - 03:58 AM, said:

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

Who plays Cersei?

Lena Headey

She was the wife in 300 among other roles

Thank you. As you may have guessed, I have been avoiding the Wikipedia and IMDB pages because of Spoiler fears.

[amphibian]

The show managed to get absolutely perfect casting for every Lannister. I'd say a a good number of other actors (particularly Maergery, Olenna, Arya, Brienne, Oberyn, and Littlefinger) are that perfect. The rest range from good fits to "eh".

Dany is indeed kinda uneven. I retroactively wish we'd gotten Alicia Vikander or maybe even someone like a young Kajol - who remains the single most charismatic actress I ever saw in Bollywood.

[Andorion]

amphibian, on 23 September 2015 - 04:01 AM, said:

The show managed to get absolutely perfect casting for every Lannister. I'd say a a good number of other actors (particularly Maergery, Olenna, Arya, Brienne, Oberyn, and Littlefinger) are that perfect. The rest range from good fits to "eh".

Dany is indeed kinda uneven. I retroactively wish we'd gotten Alicia Vikander or maybe even someone like a young Kajol - who remains the single most charismatic actress I ever saw in Bollywood.

Kajol....hadn't thought of that. Yeah the eyes and her general abilities...
Dany was excellent with Drogo. They had chemistry. After that... only around hlaf of her "I am the mother of dragons' scenes clicked.


As for the general casting I could have been more sure about Sean Bean if he had stuck around longer and had to use more expressions than 'bewildered' and 'confused'

Brienne so far is less acting and more force of nature though her emotion over Renlys death showed variety. I like the Hounds acting. Jon has now slipped into bewildered mode. In fact he seems to alternate between angry and bewildered. Robb is meh. I had hopes but recently....

Sansa is the one I want more out of. She does traumatised and numbed well, and her expression of joy afer Joffrey agreed to marry the Tyrell princess was good, but I think that role needed more expressive depth. Her face.... especially beside Cersei who can speak a page with one eyebrow twich.... beside Cersei Sansa is bland.

One of my favourites is Ser Illyn. It really seems like it went like this: "Find 'constipated with toothache' expression" "Lock it in" and "Done"

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 23 September 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 23 September 2015 - 03:58 AM, said:

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

Who plays Cersei?

Lena Headey

She was the wife in 300 among other roles

She also played Sarah Conner in the 2 season run of the Sarah Conner Chronicles which was a really fun show for Terminator fans. It got axed right when it was getting to the good shit which was just prior to GoT. If it would have made S3 we would have a different Cersei.

Didn't see Sarah Connnor. Blanking on 300. Saw it a long time back.

[worry]

She played Elise Moran in MacGyver: Trail to Doomsday. Ring any bells yet?

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 23 September 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

300 is the wildly popular comic movie about Leonidis's stand against the million man Persian army at Thermopylae. It's over the top but fun to watch once. She gets a lot more screen time in 2nd cause of her popularity on GoT.

I remember the movie. I don't remember Leonidas' wife.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

amphibian, on 23 September 2015 - 02:42 AM, said:

Everyone likes Arya and Tyrion. We don't have to go full hipster and trash them, but it's a thing that I resist to some degree in my readings/viewings.

Interestingly, on my recent failed re-read I grew to be pretty bored/irritated with Arya. I definitely remember enjoying her parts first time through, but she just didn't do it for me this time.

Mind you, I gave up on said re-read mid-way through Storm of Swords part 1, so it's probably symptomatic of a general "meh" feeling about the series this time through.

[Andorion]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 23 September 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

amphibian, on 23 September 2015 - 02:42 AM, said:

Everyone likes Arya and Tyrion. We don't have to go full hipster and trash them, but it's a thing that I resist to some degree in my readings/viewings.

Interestingly, on my recent failed re-read I grew to be pretty bored/irritated with Arya. I definitely remember enjoying her parts first time through, but she just didn't do it for me this time.

Mind you, I gave up on said re-read mid-way through Storm of Swords part 1, so it's probably symptomatic of a general "meh" feeling about the series this time through.

Arya is actually more dynamic on screen than in the book. Of course I have to see how she turns out over the next season

[acesn8s]

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Briar King, on 23 September 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

300 is the wildly popular comic movie about Leonidis's stand against the million man Persian army at Thermopylae. It's over the top but fun to watch once. She gets a lot more screen time in 2nd cause of her popularity on GoT.

I remember the movie. I don't remember Leonidas' wife.

She was also Ma-Ma in Dredd.

[Gorefest]

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

And the other reason I am still watching the show is the acting.

That's what all my mates say. Phwoah. Some acting, aye. Nudge nudge, wink wink. Say no more.

[Andorion]

acesn8s, on 23 September 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Briar King, on 23 September 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

300 is the wildly popular comic movie about Leonidis's stand against the million man Persian army at Thermopylae. It's over the top but fun to watch once. She gets a lot more screen time in 2nd cause of her popularity on GoT.

I remember the movie. I don't remember Leonidas' wife.

She was also Ma-Ma in Dredd.

Ah ok, 300 memories back!

I just realised i never saw Dredd. This is not th eone with Stallone in it, right?

[Andorion]

Gorefest, on 23 September 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

And the other reason I am still watching the show is the acting.

That's what all my mates say. Phwoah. Some acting, aye. Nudge nudge, wink wink. Say no more.

I am just going to ignore this in a dignified manner

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

I just realised i never saw Dredd. This is not th eone with Stallone in it, right?

No, this one was much less campy.

[Andorion]

I am noticing that no one has answered two rather important questions:

1. Has the Hound actually deserted and gone to the wall?

2. Is Davos dead?

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

I am noticing that no one has answered two rather important questions:

1. Has the Hound actually deserted and gone to the wall?

2. Is Davos dead?

Ok, I'm going to do this Will Ferrell in Austin Powers style.

You asked 3 times , so I will answer

1. Deserted - yes. What would make you think he went to the wall?

2. No.

In both cases, you would have learned the answer with a bit more watching, making them both minor spoiler and something people didn't feel a burning need to answer.

You have a tendency to throw these questions out there and sometimes its tough to tell whether you are really asking for future details, or just recording what you were wondering at that time for posterity. For the most part I tend to clarify things that were confusing but already happened, but not go into future reveals. If you really want answers on future reveals, let me know and we'll give them where it is not part of a larger spoiler.

[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 23 September 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

I am noticing that no one has answered two rather important questions:

1. Has the Hound actually deserted and gone to the wall?

2. Is Davos dead?

Ok, I'm going to do this Will Ferrell in Austin Powers style.

You asked 3 times , so I will answer

1. Deserted - yes. What would make you think he went to the wall?

2. No.

In both cases, you would have learned the answer with a bit more watching, making them both minor spoiler and something people didn't feel a burning need to answer.

You have a tendency to throw these questions out there and sometimes its tough to tell whether you are really asking for future details, or just recording what you were wondering at that time for posterity. For the most part I tend to clarify things that were confusing but already happened, but not go into future reveals. If you really want answers on future reveals, let me know and we'll give them where it is not part of a larger spoiler.

I thought the Hound told Sansa he would go North. Thought he meant the Wall.

To me this doesn't count as a spoiler. You see either Davos is dead or not. i was leaning towards not dead myself. Now if somebody told what happened to Davos after the ship blew up, that would be a spoiler. Same goes for the Hound. He said he would desert , wasn't around in the season finale, left that tidbit about going north, I was imagining what kind of impact his presence would have on the wall, got impatient, so I asked.

But I can see how this would be confusing for others, Ok Will clarify better in future.

And I need to stop conflating North and the Wall.

[Nevyn]

Does the hound really look like a guy with a plan? He's a dog chasing cars. He wouldn't know what to do with one if he caught it.

Special thanks to Heath Ledger for the above insight.

As for Davos, he's not dead, in fact he's getting better ...

Special thanks to Monty Python for that insight



When someone in Winterfell says they are going North, they probably mean the wall.

But rather a lot of places are North of Kings Landing. Casterly Rock is more West than North, but is at a higher latitude. Riverrun is north. The Vale is north. The twins are north. Harrenhal is north. Deepwood Motte, Moat Cailin, and Winterfell are north.

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 23 September 2015 - 06:23 PM

[Andorion]

Game of Thrones
Season 3 Episode 1

The North:

So Jon meets the King Beyond the Wall, and they have freaking Giants! ok......

Question: How did the Night Watch people survive the Walker attack? There was this huge undead army plus those Whitewalkers on horses who seems to have magical powers....... and the only thing that destroys the undead seems to be fire, which could not have been easy to light in that snowstorm...so how?

Rob:


So thats what the Mountain does when he knows he can't hold a position.

It seems to me that Rob does not know that the bulk of the Lannister army has gone south to Kings Landing with Tywin. If he knew he could probably have ranged ahead with his cavalry, surrounded and eliminated the Mountain and basically dominated everything north of Kings Landing.

Davos:


He would have been bettr off taking the pirates advice and abandoning Stannis. I really don't get the Stannis plotline at all. Is he in a depressed fugue and doesn't know what to do next or is he working on something through the Red Woman? Hope this will be revealed soon.

Daenerys:

Dragons barbequing fish is something I could watch all day. And they are getting bigger, almost dog sized now.
Those slave soldiers - reminds me of the janissaries. Though I think the director and GRRM went a bit OTT with trying to depict the Master as cold and sadistic.

Baristan is here. I am going to take this at face value and accept he came to protect Dany because it was the one honourable option left to him. But I can't help but think this could be another play by Varys.

Question: Magical kid who tried to kill Dany with the scorpion - Dany said 'Warlocks' but I thought they killed the warlocks back in Qarth? Or are they being followed by remnants of the guild or something?

Kings Landing:


Several parts here:

Tyrion and Tywin:
So Tywin does ahve a blind spot and thats Tyrion. His hatred for Tyrion blinds him to the potentials of Tyrions intellect. This is going to have consequences

Can anyone just say yes or no: When Tyrion asked Tywin to be made heir to Casterly Rock. was it a bargaining ploy to get some gains at Kings Landing? It seemed to me he was checking exactly where he stood with his father so he could plan accordingly. Or did he actually expect Tywin to agree?

Question: If Tywin won't let Tyrion inherit and Jaime can't inherit, then who will? Tommen? Or Tywins brother?

The Tyrells and the Royal family


I don't know how to take Margery. She could be this sweet lady who genuinely cares about the poor and is trying to repair Joffreys shambolic PR department. OR this could be an extended ploy to get the Tyrells into even more power.

Question: Does the King have his own army independent of the Seven Kingdoms? This is something I am still unclear on.

If, the answer to the above question is in the negative then the Tyrells are in a very strong position. The Lannister army is under tremendous strain. It has to fight the Stark-Tullys and now shield the capital because Stannis is beaten, not destroyed.

The Tyrells are now principal food suppliers to the capital, so they have a double leverage.
Firstly they could starve the capital if they wanted to,
Secondly they are gaining popularity with the people of the capital, (this is where I think Margery comes in) and this might help if they want to create unrest against Joffrey.
Plus, they have their own very intact army to back them up. I do not think the Lannisters want to open another front.

The crux of the matter is whether the Tyrells are after the throne itself, or to be powers behind the throne, using Loras and Margery to influence Joffrey.
If its the power behind the throne ploy, then first they need to isolate Joffrey from his own backers and he seems to be actually helping them by continuously humiliating and insulting his mother. Thing is I can't imagine that Tywin has not seen the potential for this.


Closing Note : Littlefingers lie to Sansa about Arya reminded me that Arya is probably the only wildcard in the game right now, because none of the major players have a single clue where she is, or if she is even alive.

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 27 September 2015 - 02:18 AM, said:

Can anyone just say yes or no: When Tyrion asked Tywin to be made heir to Casterly Rock. was it a bargaining ploy to get some gains at Kings Landing? It seemed to me he was checking exactly where he stood with his father so he could plan accordingly. Or did he actually expect Tywin to agree?

Not a bargaining ploy. Tyrion felt entitled to it since his older brother could not inherit and since he had just demonstrated wits and valor. Whether he actually thought his father would say yes is anyone's guess, but you don't negotiate with Tywin. Demanding that would gain him nothing else.

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Question: Does the King have his own army independent of the Seven Kingdoms? This is something I am still unclear on.

Not really. The kingsguard is only 7 knights. The gold cloaks are the city watch of kings landing. There will be an assortment of other knights and retainers at court. And everyone owes the king fealty. But take note that it is principally the Lannister army that has been keeping Joffrey on the throne until the Tyrells came and helped.

[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 27 September 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 September 2015 - 02:18 AM, said:

Can anyone just say yes or no: When Tyrion asked Tywin to be made heir to Casterly Rock. was it a bargaining ploy to get some gains at Kings Landing? It seemed to me he was checking exactly where he stood with his father so he could plan accordingly. Or did he actually expect Tywin to agree?

Not a bargaining ploy. Tyrion felt entitled to it since his older brother could not inherit and since he had just demonstrated wits and valor. Whether he actually thought his father would say yes is anyone's guess, but you don't negotiate with Tywin. Demanding that would gain him nothing else.

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Question: Does the King have his own army independent of the Seven Kingdoms? This is something I am still unclear on.

Not really. The kingsguard is only 7 knights. The gold cloaks are the city watch of kings landing. There will be an assortment of other knights and retainers at court. And everyone owes the king fealty. But take note that it is principally the Lannister army that has been keeping Joffrey on the throne until the Tyrells came and helped.

But Tyrion did get something from that conversation. Tywin gave him better accomodations and promises future posts.

The king not having his own army only reinforces my idea that the Tyrells will use their position to increase their influence. Joffrey isn't exactly the sharpest pin. It will beinteresting to see what Cersei and Tywin do in future epsodes. SOmehow I don't think Tywin is very concerned about the Tyrells He seems to be focussed entirely on the Starks.