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WHEEL OF TIME TV series watching thread (spoilers!) (was: 'So, the WHEEL OF TIME TV series is a go at Sony' thread

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Posted 21 March 2025 - 02:12 PM

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Posted 21 March 2025 - 02:18 PM

ah okay noted. Thanks for the info!
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Posted 22 March 2025 - 11:35 PM

Strong episode. Best overall is either this one or 2.6

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Regarding other turnings of the Wheel, the One Power drives the Wheel of Time, it would be a constant, even if sometimes people couldn't access it, things like stilling and shielding would work the same way. Tellling a story 5,000 years ago would have a lot of differences, but things like gravity would be the same. Although people's knowledge of it could be different.
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Posted 23 March 2025 - 03:41 AM

And now, S3, eps 1-2....

And I am so, so in.

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ep 1
k that opening w the Black Ajah attack was insane and glorious, all of it and in particular Liandrin and Siuan throwing down, Liane beating someone to death with her staff, the little person Brown siter annihilating Verin and Adeleas... and then, oh dear gods, Alanna and her wardens just wading rtf on in against five Black Ajah THAT WAS INSANE

....and some other stuff happened, but mostly that.

K actually the whole mirrors/cards/axe thing was great and the addition of the Grey Man was nuts, and i loved how that led in to Moiraine/Lan WORKING W FRIKKIN LANFEAR.... of any twist away from the books, i LOVE this so so much. As i mentioned way back when....


View PostAbyss, on 17 January 2024 - 02:42 PM, said:


... She plays very well off the rest of the cast, Moiraine in particular.


Elayne and Avi.... oh hell, why not?

Of course it's all leading to splitting up the cast, and that element is fairly blunt but it works well enough and sets the stage for the individual plotlines nicely.

No complaints, everyone was selling it well.

Ep 2

Every time Bain and Chiad do anything i grin like an idiot... Aiel humour generally and theirs in particular were one of my absolute favoritest little things from the books and when they played Maiden's Kiss w Mat, when Chiad says she's following Loial and Bain throws in 'i go where she goes', when they ask Misteress Alvere's permission to defend her house, the lion and the bear line, i have massive flashbacks to that feeling i got marathoning books 1-4 a million years ago AND I FRIKKIN LOVE IT.

Other stuff, the opening w Morgase massacring her opponents was a very nice touch. Shohreh Aghdashloo is a flawless Elaida, beautifully intro'd and built up. Honestly her playing Avarsarala over on THE EXPANSE and now this is like Harrison Ford playing Han Solo and Indiana Jones. or, as i said a while back....

View PostAbyss, on 15 January 2024 - 05:19 PM, said:

... i would lose my brain to see Shohreh in this series as Elaida or ANY Aes Sedai, Wise One, Queen, Foresaken, i don't care she is GLORIOUS to watch in anything.



The Spearmaiden in Egwene's dream had me grinning all over again.

Lan and Rand training was a nice touch, anyone else see a nod to Highlander there?



So yah, so far so good, i'm all in.
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Posted 28 March 2025 - 09:53 AM

Episode 5 was pretty decent, though not as gripping as 4 (not sure they're going to hit that sort of high again for a while!)

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Posted 28 March 2025 - 11:24 AM

View PostTheRetiredBridgeburner, on 28 March 2025 - 09:53 AM, said:

Episode 5 was pretty decent, though not as gripping as 4 (not sure they're going to hit that sort of high again for a while!)

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I will say that a LOT of this episode suffered from the whole GOT "shot too dark" thing where we struggled in the action sequences as they were too dark.


Otherwise, solid episode.

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Posted 28 March 2025 - 11:48 PM

Ep 4 was a tough act to follow. But they're in a tough spot right now.

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Posted 29 March 2025 - 09:05 PM

So, to jump in the middle of this discussion.

I wasn’t thoroughly impressed with season 1, so didn’t jump back to 2. But seeing this thread activity every day has me wondering, did it get better? Or is everybody watching it just because?
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Posted 29 March 2025 - 09:36 PM

S2 still had issues, but it's waaaaaay better than S1. Give it a shot. Just bear in mind they're compressing a lot of story threads.
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Posted 30 March 2025 - 02:37 AM

View PostSlow Ben, on 29 March 2025 - 09:05 PM, said:

So, to jump in the middle of this discussion.

I wasn't thoroughly impressed with season 1, so didn't jump back to 2. But seeing this thread activity every day has me wondering, did it get better? Or is everybody watching it just because?


It got better. Won't say perfect, but absolutely got better and S3 even moreso so far.
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Posted 30 March 2025 - 08:29 AM

I was happy enough with season 1, but agree with the season 2 stepping up considerably.
Haven't watched 3 yet, but its on the next list
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Posted 30 March 2025 - 06:45 PM

Good news. Thanks all, I’ll give it a go.
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Posted 30 March 2025 - 07:14 PM

It did certainly improve since Season 1. Season 3 has been the strongest, especially Episode 4, but a lot of continuity issues have started to come home to roost.
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Posted 31 March 2025 - 02:11 AM

Was looking for an old post and found this... i is a prophet, i is....

View PostAbyss, on 20 December 2005 - 05:16 PM, said:

Here is the harsh reality of the market...

Fantasy on TV works if you dumb it down enough that a) adults who don't like fantasy still enjoy watching it, because of hot stars, cool fights or hot stars; and :p kids can watch it easily. The rest of us, the ones who like the genre and read the books, we are a minority and we don't matter to the TV industry.

Put every Robert Jordan fan, GRRM fan, SE fan and god help us, even the Goodkind fans together and (after the inevitable massacres due to 'ho'd win' and other equally critical fistfights) you would have just enough people to clean the auditorium once the OC fans have left for the night.

Thus, I give you Hercules, Zena, and to an extent, Higlander, Buffy, Angel and Charmed, as non-exhaustive examples.

I don't include sf shows like Trek, B5, BG, Lost, etc, because when it comes to TV, the genres are distinct. Thanks to Trek and the X-Files, spaceships, laser guns and secret conspiracies have a built in market (albeit a somewhat fussy one, or Serenity/Firefly might still be on TV).

Dingeons and dragons do not unless you can capture a sub market, like teenage girls who would dearly love to be able to jam a stake into the teenage boys who confuse them, and people who think Kevin Sorbo has a nice ass and remember enough greek history to correctly pronounce 'Zeus'. Or drool over Sarah Michelle Gellar enough to overlook the stuntguy in the Babylon 5 surplus mask trying to eat her.

And just for good measure, if you cannot deliver most of the first season in nice, tight, 44 minute chunks that can be divided amongst another 16 minutes of commercials at strategic instances, forget it. The networks don't want to know. Buffy, Hercules and Highlander succeeded based on drawing viewers in with self-contained, 'dumb' episodes early on, and THEN working in a 'mythology'. And TV show mythology can backfire, as anyone who struggled though the last 2 or so seasons of X-Files might agree.


So, you find your tall dollars of funding to make your pilot... you put together your cast of thousands... you tape your first season, miraculously covering GotM in roughly 22 episodes... and you run your epic TV event... and after the first 15 minutes when a bunch of CG hounds sit around while some dude with a hood full of shadows cackles evilly.... while elsewhere half a dude talks to some overweight sorceress about all the dead people on the hill, most of your audience switches to COPS, or Survivour: Cancun and the advertisers start looking at maybe exercising those kill-clauses in the contract, and the network exec who sold the show on the basis of 'It's like Lord of the Rings meets Platoon meets Night of the Living Dead with skykeeps!!!' clicksends his CV into Monster.com from his Blackberry. Don't worry tho'... the SciFi network might pick up the rest of the season, but your budget just got slashed and it seems Anomander Rake will be flying around in a leftover spaceship from 'Farscape' because the CG budget can't cover a castle. Raest will be fighting muppets, is that ok? Oh and instead of 22, you have ten episodes to work your magic. And can we leave out the whole Kruppe/Murillio/Baruk thing, cause it doesn't really add anything to the plot and nothing 'splodes. Good luck.

Which is why in my never so humble opinion, TV and epic fantasy do not mix.

You can turn LotR or Harry Potter into a 3hr masterpiece by heavy and selective editing. But if you won't work with 3hrsd at the outside, you're out of luck until CGI and desktop editing becomes so advanced that you can creat your entire series and market it exclusively over the internet. Which will probaly happen in a few weeks or so, but we're talking about TV here and I digress...

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Posted 31 March 2025 - 07:02 AM

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Posted 31 March 2025 - 05:16 PM

Do Goodkind fans still exist? Fun times.

I met someone recently who hats Ayn Rand and I was trying to explain the sword of truth to them. Shivers.

To not digress too much, I agree with much of what you are saying and perhaps the sword of truth series was the most text book offender as fate would have it but the genre is huge and growing. Game of Thrones was the most popular show in the world and while its not High fantasy it has dragons, zombies and fire witches.

Im not so sure its that the audience doesnt exist, I think its partly that producers and executives dont trust the audience or great stories.
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Posted 31 March 2025 - 05:44 PM

View PostCause, on 31 March 2025 - 05:16 PM, said:

Do Goodkind fans still exist? Fun times.



Every now and again I'll see someone on the regular r/books subreddit, or someone on Booktok who isn't super versed in the SFF genre as a whole bring him up...but they are usually shown the right way by more knowledgeable folk. The good news is that it's as easy to show people why SoT and Goodkind sucked by his own writing and oddly overly sexual misogynistic plots. The climax of TEMPLE OF THE WINDS is enough to steer MOST sane people away...
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Posted 31 March 2025 - 06:37 PM

I have no desire to read anything, give me the cliff notes
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Posted 31 March 2025 - 08:44 PM

There is no end to the depravities of Terry Goodkind but the sword of truth was a beginning:
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Posted 01 April 2025 - 12:25 AM

That's network TV, though. Streaming is different, because it's much easier to rewatch. WOt is one of the most expensive TV shows ever made, it's not on a Xena budget.

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