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Posted 03 April 2023 - 12:53 PM

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Guy I know had his house burnt down. Almost died. It was arson. They caught the gu but didin't have enough evidence to plant him at the scene of the crime. The individual in question had a giant rap sheet of similar offenses. The judicial system quite frankly fails our society when it comes to individuals who have mental health issues and are a danger to society.


Boom. Agreed.

Hell, just even looking at any thread on a local reddit sub about this stuff and at least HALF the comments are "these people are unwell and they need help, not jail!".....no...fuck off...they need jail. You're a danger to society? Slam the door, lock it. You want to rehab them IN jail, knock yourself out...but if they've committed violence crimes more than 2 or 3 times without remorse...I want that key to be lost forever. Some people need to be removed from society for the safety of the masses.
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Posted 16 April 2023 - 04:00 AM

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View PostAbyss, on 27 March 2023 - 02:48 PM, said:

Foreign govs, by way of lobbyists, interest groups, formal and informal envoys, industrialists with ties to foreign parent corps, and just flat out friends of VIPS, have been actively influencing elections since there were elections. It's not new, it's not espionage, it's incredibly naive (or clickbaity) to clutch pearls and cry foul as tho this has never happened before. Hell, Canada does it too, we just don't have the level of pull that the US or China or even Russia bring to the party. It's just a reality of being a country that has dealings w other countries.

That angle is being downplayed bcs it makes for boring headlines, doesn't support opposition parties' screeching, and if the Liberals take that angle opposition will screech complacency and conspiracy instead, but let us be clear - this not new.


I'm not disagreeing with the fact that every country does it. Doesn't mean we want it happening and it should go unpunished.

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What crime happened?



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Posted 18 April 2023 - 12:48 PM

Sigh.

The head of Canada's conservative party (Pierre Pollievre) sent a letter to Twitter HQ explicitly requesting this label for CBC - because in his words "funding comes from the government, it's only being transparent!"

Then not even a week later, when Twitter applied the label to the CBC account, he turned around and used the label as "proof" that "CBC officially exposed as “government-funded media” and that it's "Trudeau propaganda, not news. "

Meanwhile, he deliberately ignores the part of the label the news orgs take issue with - the fucking label definition implies that yes, the state ("Trudeau") gets to decide what they say, which is absolute horseshit. And yet Pierre uses his own requested, inaccurate label as some sort of "proof" that this is the truth.

It's literally a Crown Corporation, and is and always has been at arms length from the govt...and in fact if you go to the CBC site and do a search for the name "Trudeau", you'll find all kinds of articles that disparage him or his policies....the notion that it's a Trudeau Propaganda wing is fucking insanity. Do we believe that for the decade that Harper (PP's fucking mentor and former boss) was in power that the CBC was HIS propaganda mouthpiece? No, becuase we aren't pretending to be stupid while being deliberately obtrusive.

The guy is duplicitous as fuck. Pierre's entire issue is that the conservatives can't control the CBC, and so when they report the ACCURATE news...news which paints him and the Cons in many bad lights...that hurts his cause.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind people of two things about Pierre:

1. He's deliberately refused a Nat Security check on himself and his family (more specifically his wife) in more than one instance now. During his attempt to grab the leadership of the Federal Cons when O'Toole became leader (that refusal raised a lot of eyebrows as it would disclude him from being able to become PM; and he dropped out of the race because of the request being mandatory), and more recently when the premise of them wining the 2025 election would mean he would HAVE to. His wife is not a natural born Canadian, she's an immigrant from Venezuela and people seem inclined to think it's her that's making him refuse...and wondering why. This woman, it should be noted, SUPPORTED all the masking and lockdown mandates when COVID first hit publicly....but once PP saw that he could grift and co-op the Freedom Convoy idiots for his benefit, her tune changed with his. I'd like to know what he's hiding, and quite frankly, I feel like now he's going to do the Trump thing and refuse to do the check until after the election (IF he somehow gets in) so he can make it all go away without needing to subject himself and his family to it.

2. This mans pretences at being the "working man's choice who will SAVE the country for the average Joe from that Tyrant Trudeau and his terrible policies!"....while being worth 5million dollars and having NEVER held a regular job ever...(he literally started as a political aide out of school to Harpers Cabinet) astonishes me. We, the taxpayers, have literally paid for this guys WHOLE ASS LIFE....but yeah, he's with the common man, sure...

At least people like Scheer and O'Toole didn't pretend to be who they weren't. PP is the worst of the worst, a lifelong political hanger-on...who then projects that Trudeau (who DID have other regular ass jobs prior to his job in govt) is some kind of nepotistic legacy hire....

Look, I hate Doug Ford and think he's one of the worst Premiers Ontario has ever had (barring Mike Harris, who was THE worst)......but my dislike of Pierre Pollievre is on another level simply by the masqueraded farce he's puppeting around in the media.

EDIT: Oh, and Elon and PP are dumb as rocks because they didn't apply that moniker to the CBC News Twitter account...LOL...but yeah. CBC is taking the NPR approach and just bailing out on twitter...which....yeah everyone should get off twitter.

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Posted 18 April 2023 - 01:28 PM

CBC kind of blew it on their first response, more or less 'We are ceasing twitter because of the state funded label'... because they ARE gov 'funded' to the tune of millions of tax dollars per year, a fact the cons have been slavering over for decades now.


What they are not is state-directed, which they managed to pull together for their second response along the lines of 'our reporting has always been impartial' .... k not quite but better than taking issue w a fact


The only people PP is fooling are the ones who would have bought into whatever he was selling regardless. The clownvoyists, the maganucks, the westerners who hate ottawa on general principle. Unfortunately they make up a significant chunk of the voting base and if he can anger enough of them to vote, the usual disengagement on the liberal side could do the rest and it's welcome to Harper 2.0, all the crazy and none of the control.

The security screening issue is VERY interesting and i am curious what ultimately ends up happening w that. Am betting he tries to bull his way thru and has some lovely lawyers lined up to put the issue before the courts, for the publicity if not for an actual chance at victory.

Interesting days ahead.
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 02:45 PM

View PostAbyss, on 18 April 2023 - 01:28 PM, said:

The security screening issue is VERY interesting and i am curious what ultimately ends up happening w that. Am betting he tries to bull his way thru and has some lovely lawyers lined up to put the issue before the courts, for the publicity if not for an actual chance at victory.

Interesting days ahead.


Background checks at this level would be looking for ties to anything detrimental to national security. So say extremists or hate groups and of course other countries but also they'd look into financial statements and investments. So corporate "donations" would be given scrutiny as well.
From just a small understanding of Pierre's platform.. it's not hard to make connections on why he would not want to go through the process.

There is the other angle, where they are being deliberate about this so that if they don't know what's in the briefings, they can make up and old shit to their base and it won't challenge that clearance...If they made up shit after being in on the facts, they could be Called out on that.

No matter what it is, this will be much more interesting at election time....if he still refuses, they Liberals and the NDPO can hang their ENTIRE campaigns on that fact "What's Pierre hiding?!"....and it will work....so he'll either have to submit to it by then, or face a two-pronged attack campaign that would be difficult to fight off.
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 03:40 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 02:45 PM, said:

... at election time....if he still refuses, they Liberals and the NDPO can hang their ENTIRE campaigns on that fact "What's Pierre hiding?!"....and it will work....so he'll either have to submit to it by then, or face a two-pronged attack campaign that would be difficult to fight off.


That would be hilarious, but - giving him likely too much credit here - what if he submits and there's nothing juicy and then he cries gov interference in private people's lives 'how DARE they?!'. Turnabout.

With the right spin he could make anything short of full blown China-funded Russia-hosted child sacrifice orgies sound like nbd and his base would eat it up like candy.
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 04:20 PM

View PostAbyss, on 18 April 2023 - 03:40 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 02:45 PM, said:

... at election time....if he still refuses, they Liberals and the NDPO can hang their ENTIRE campaigns on that fact "What's Pierre hiding?!"....and it will work....so he'll either have to submit to it by then, or face a two-pronged attack campaign that would be difficult to fight off.


That would be hilarious, but - giving him likely too much credit here - what if he submits and there's nothing juicy and then he cries gov interference in private people's lives 'how DARE they?!'. Turnabout.

With the right spin he could make anything short of full blown China-funded Russia-hosted child sacrifice orgies sound like nbd and his base would eat it up like candy.


I need the opposing sides to him hammer home that the China-connections at the federal level come from his former boss while he was a staffer/cabinet member, Harper's Russian-signed Chinese FIPA deal...his base love to blame Trudeau for anything China....but Harper is the reason we are at ALL in bed with China as a country....and not enough people hammer at the Federal Cons over this. They MADE the mess they are now trying to blame on the Liberals....but then I guess that's the Conservative playbook 101.
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 04:59 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 18 April 2023 - 03:40 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 02:45 PM, said:

... at election time....if he still refuses, they Liberals and the NDPO can hang their ENTIRE campaigns on that fact "What's Pierre hiding?!"....and it will work....so he'll either have to submit to it by then, or face a two-pronged attack campaign that would be difficult to fight off.


That would be hilarious, but - giving him likely too much credit here - what if he submits and there's nothing juicy and then he cries gov interference in private people's lives 'how DARE they?!'. Turnabout.

With the right spin he could make anything short of full blown China-funded Russia-hosted child sacrifice orgies sound like nbd and his base would eat it up like candy.


I need the opposing sides to him hammer home that the China-connections at the federal level come from his former boss while he was a staffer/cabinet member, Harper's Russian-signed Chinese FIPA deal...his base love to blame Trudeau for anything China....but Harper is the reason we are at ALL in bed with China as a country....and not enough people hammer at the Federal Cons over this. They MADE the mess they are now trying to blame on the Liberals....but then I guess that's the Conservative playbook 101.


Very much so. China as evil empire but hey all those nice rich international corporations they fund we LOVE those guys!!!
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Posted 19 April 2023 - 12:49 AM

View PostAbyss, on 16 April 2023 - 04:00 AM, said:

View PostLinearPhilosopher, on 01 April 2023 - 02:07 AM, said:

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View PostAbyss, on 27 March 2023 - 02:48 PM, said:

Foreign govs, by way of lobbyists, interest groups, formal and informal envoys, industrialists with ties to foreign parent corps, and just flat out friends of VIPS, have been actively influencing elections since there were elections. It's not new, it's not espionage, it's incredibly naive (or clickbaity) to clutch pearls and cry foul as tho this has never happened before. Hell, Canada does it too, we just don't have the level of pull that the US or China or even Russia bring to the party. It's just a reality of being a country that has dealings w other countries.

That angle is being downplayed bcs it makes for boring headlines, doesn't support opposition parties' screeching, and if the Liberals take that angle opposition will screech complacency and conspiracy instead, but let us be clear - this not new.


I'm not disagreeing with the fact that every country does it. Doesn't mean we want it happening and it should go unpunished.

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Punishment follows on a crime.
What crime happened?


Conspiring with a foreign power to keep a Canadian citizen detained in a country that had sentenced them to death. That's the easy one.

Colluding with a foreign power to influence a domestic election. Probably harder to prove but im sure CSIS has some evidence.

If not... i'm pretty sure good old espionnage might be another avenue, but hey im no attorney.

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View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 18 April 2023 - 03:40 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 18 April 2023 - 02:45 PM, said:

... at election time....if he still refuses, they Liberals and the NDPO can hang their ENTIRE campaigns on that fact "What's Pierre hiding?!"....and it will work....so he'll either have to submit to it by then, or face a two-pronged attack campaign that would be difficult to fight off.


That would be hilarious, but - giving him likely too much credit here - what if he submits and there's nothing juicy and then he cries gov interference in private people's lives 'how DARE they?!'. Turnabout.

With the right spin he could make anything short of full blown China-funded Russia-hosted child sacrifice orgies sound like nbd and his base would eat it up like candy.


I need the opposing sides to him hammer home that the China-connections at the federal level come from his former boss while he was a staffer/cabinet member, Harper's Russian-signed Chinese FIPA deal...his base love to blame Trudeau for anything China....but Harper is the reason we are at ALL in bed with China as a country....and not enough people hammer at the Federal Cons over this. They MADE the mess they are now trying to blame on the Liberals....but then I guess that's the Conservative playbook 101.


Very much so. China as evil empire but hey all those nice rich international corporations they fund we LOVE those guys!!!


I'll take microsoft and facebook spamming me with adds about buying dice over the chinese goverment any day of the week. They're definetly the lesser of two evils.

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Posted 22 May 2023 - 12:16 PM

So do you guys have a Public Service strike at the moment?

Canada’s 155,000 Striking Public Servants Discover Country Functions Better Without Most Of Them (do I really have to add "Satire"?)

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The sprawling government apparatus that administers the day to day livelihoods of all 38 million Canadians has just recorded its most efficient and effective week of operations since the Country was first established in 1867.

The smooth governance comes after 155,000 public servants went on strike to demand the usual shit like more money, better pay, higher fiscal return and larger financial reward for the same or less work.

The union representing the workers, the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC), had hoped that by going on strike the Feds would quickly accede to their demands after realising how invaluable public servants are in keeping the things that Canadians take for granted running smoothly.

Things like red tape, convoluted and illogical bureaucratic processes, car parking tickets and taxes.

However in a startling turn of events, it appears that by cleansing the levels of government of a good hundred thousand or so of its entitled public servants, it turns out that the State is functioning a whole lot better without them.

“It’s actually taking aboot half the time it usually does for us to make decisions now that aboot half of us are on strike,” Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe told the Advocate in his silly Canadian accent.

“Without so many talking heads in the room, we’re just getting on with it,” he continued with that floppy head of his.

The improved governance is a thorn in the side of PSAC President Chris Aylward, who could’ve swore that getting his soldiers to go on strike would’ve led to a complete shutdown of Canadian civilisation as they knew it.

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“We’ve got maple syrup all over our faces with this one, no doot aboot it.”

As the strike continues, Handsome Man and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called for calm, pleading with both sides to act in good faith for a mutually beneficial outcome.

“We Canadians learn from a young age that you can’t shove a beaver’s dam into a moose’s head dress, and it’s the same with hockey,” he told a media scrum this morning. “The same rules apply to these negotiations.”
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Posted 23 May 2023 - 02:43 PM

We did, it's over now, lasted about 2 weeks and ended more or less as expected.

It was mostly aboot money and the logistics of working from home and beaver pelts.
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Posted 23 May 2023 - 02:50 PM

Bonnie Crombie (Mississauga mayor) is running for the provincial Liberal Leadership....and this apparently is scaring the PCs....I assume because Bonnie is essentially a 'Center Leaning a bit Right' person and she could easily eat into their vote count....and frankly by 2026 people are going to be WELL sick of Doug Ford....so it's probably going to be (if she gets the spot) a Bonnie VS Marit election...We will see.

I will say this. The Shambles that the Provincial Liberal party have been in for a few years now needs the time between now and 2026 to have someone take over and heal some of the shit that the party has been eating with milquetoast people like Baldy-Mc-Whatshisname in the role.

And Crombie can 100% campaign on having successfully gotten Mississauga the ONE thing they've wanted for decades now, separation from Peel region...that's a feather in her campaign hat for sure.
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Posted 23 May 2023 - 03:15 PM

View PostAbyss, on 23 May 2023 - 02:43 PM, said:

We did, it's over now, lasted about 2 weeks and ended more or less as expected.

It was mostly aboot money and the logistics of working from home and beaver pelts.

I assume hockey was also somehow part of the discussion?
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Posted 23 May 2023 - 03:26 PM

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View PostAbyss, on 23 May 2023 - 02:43 PM, said:

We did, it's over now, lasted about 2 weeks and ended more or less as expected.

It was mostly aboot money and the logistics of working from home and beaver pelts.

I assume hockey was also somehow part of the discussion?


Nah. That would be silly.
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Posted 28 May 2023 - 03:50 AM

View PostQuickTidal, on 23 May 2023 - 02:50 PM, said:

Bonnie Crombie (Mississauga mayor) is running for the provincial Liberal Leadership....and this apparently is scaring the PCs....I assume because Bonnie is essentially a 'Center Leaning a bit Right' person and she could easily eat into their vote count....and frankly by 2026 people are going to be WELL sick of Doug Ford....so it's probably going to be (if she gets the spot) a Bonnie VS Marit election...We will see.

I will say this. The Shambles that the Provincial Liberal party have been in for a few years now needs the time between now and 2026 to have someone take over and heal some of the shit that the party has been eating with milquetoast people like Baldy-Mc-Whatshisname in the role.

And Crombie can 100% campaign on having successfully gotten Mississauga the ONE thing they've wanted for decades now, separation from Peel region...that's a feather in her campaign hat for sure.


I dunno how many people cared about Peel (I'm sure people in Education and other similar spheres did).

But the endless Light Rail construction project isn't gonna do her any favours. Especially if they start widening Dundas.
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Posted 26 June 2023 - 02:19 PM

Toronto By-election today. Front runner appears to be Chow (which is great) and that's who I'll be voting for.

Bailao got a last minute endorsement push by her old boss John Tory....so she's the status quo candidate...and I laugh at her campaign where she's like "Toronto needs fixing and I can fix it!"......lady you CAUSED most of this while Deputy Mayor under Tory and are well known as his protege....nothing like causing the spill and then claim to be the only person who can clean it up...and the amount of people who seem inclined that she's a good pick BAFFLEs me. No one who has lived in Toronto the last decade (shit, even longer considering Rob Ford was mayor before Tory) should look at the status quo candidate and be like "Yeah, more of that please!". The city is in shambles and in debt and needs fixing, but I can't fathom anyone thinking the protege of tory is the person to do it having two brain cells to rub together.

I am also amused how Ford, AND PP have both weighed in on a possible Chow win as a "disaster", not to mention Ford endorsing Saunders whose campaign slogan is "Stop Chow!"....LOL....this smacks of worry from the cons that a Progressive Woman of Colour (widow of one of our best politicians ever, Jack Layton) may end up in charge of the largest and most globally centric city in our whole G7 country...we also don't lose a progressive councillor if she wins so that's even more of a bonus to vote for her.

Anyways, crossing my fingers Chow wins and we can start fixing this city. Matlow is the only other person who I would be happy with winning of the front runners.

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Posted 26 June 2023 - 04:26 PM

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Toronto By-election today. Front runner appears to be Chow (which is great) and that's who I'll be voting for....
Anyways, crossing my fingers Chow wins and we can start fixing this city. ...


think TO is prepared to lean that far Left?
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Posted 26 June 2023 - 04:55 PM

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View PostQuickTidal, on 26 June 2023 - 02:19 PM, said:

Toronto By-election today. Front runner appears to be Chow (which is great) and that's who I'll be voting for....
Anyways, crossing my fingers Chow wins and we can start fixing this city. ...


think TO is prepared to lean that far Left?


She's been WAY out in front in the polls since she announced, like over 10% ahead in most cases, and only Bailao's late surge from Tory's endorsement (hopefully too little too late) is the only thing that likely gives Chow any run for her money at this point.

We've had 13+ years of corporatist-Conservative-in-all-but name leadership in Toronto...and it's driven us into the ground to levels I've not seen in all my time in the city and a resident.

So just like every other level of politics, we will vote people out, not in. Chow is the vote for change at this point...I would hope that most people realize that Ana is a vote for "more of the same" and being in Doug Ford's pocket.

And to be clear, Toronto proper leans left and has ALWAYS leaned left...the problem is the Megacity means that places like Etobicoke, and North York are filled with NIMBY Boomer homeowners who don't want their taxes to go up get a vote, and don't give a shit about things like transit (they all have cars) or housing....

In that vein, they will vote for Saunders, Bailao, or Bradford, or even Furey....hopefully splitting the conservative-status-quo vote...but I think Toronto is angry and ready to show up like they haven't since Tory stepped over the "bar on the floor" that was Rob Ford.
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Posted 26 June 2023 - 05:07 PM

I am very curious to see how it plays out. Ottawa's last mayoral election had the high profile Left candidate and the i-am-here-for-the-people candidate and still voted in the big business candidate in the end.
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Posted 26 June 2023 - 05:11 PM

View PostAbyss, on 26 June 2023 - 05:07 PM, said:

I am very curious to see how it plays out. Ottawa's last mayoral election had the high profile Left candidate and the i-am-here-for-the-people candidate and still voted in the big business candidate in the end.


I heard about that. Yes, that would suck...and frankly if the city votes for anyone but Chow (or barring her Matlow), then we will get worse and my urge to want to leave will become more than it is now.
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