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Malankazooie, on 26 June 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

Colorado reexamines Elijah McClain's death in police custody

Is injecting sedatives a common practice? I've never heard of that.

Usually we snort them.

[Tsundoku]

"Get off my lawn ... but if you get shot, I know a great law firm!"

https://www.news.com...1b9873c67915bf1

[Aptorian]

Tsundoku, on 29 June 2020 - 07:24 AM, said:

"Get off my lawn ... but if you get shot, I know a great law firm!"

https://www.news.com...1b9873c67915bf1

Eh, I don't blame them. I'd be weary of a bunch of protesters walking by my symbol of wealth and power as well.

[Cause]

Does the women have he finger on the trigger while she waves her gun about?

[Terez]

yes she does

she also has mustard on her shirt

yellow mustard

here is an article from 2018 about them and their house

https://www.stlmag.c...-palazzo-to-it/

[Malankazooie]

Need to know more about Bugaloo.

I first heard the term when some fake flyers were circulating right at the beginning of the protests after the George Floyd murder, accredited to antifa groups for recruitment purposes. The flyers were so obviously fake and planted by a white supremist / neo-nazi group because the heading of the flyer started with "hear the call", which is right out of pee-wee neo nazi, Hitler youth playbook.

Anyway, I heard the word Bugaloo again recently. What is it?

[Terez]

Boogaloo. Just one of the many code words for white supremacist militia types who want to start a race war, but this one has caught on and the identity as such is spreading.

[stone monkey]

Malankazooie, on 09 July 2020 - 09:00 PM, said:

Need to know more about Bugaloo.

I first heard the term when some fake flyers were circulating right at the beginning of the protests after the George Floyd murder, accredited to antifa groups for recruitment purposes. The flyers were so obviously fake and planted by a white supremist / neo-nazi group because the heading of the flyer started with "hear the call", which is right out of pee-wee neo nazi, Hitler youth playbook.

Anyway, I heard the word Bugaloo again recently. What is it?

Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo... It's a stupid joke, about something even stupider, that caught on in certain heads...

[Malankazooie]

Change is happening. The asshole owner and myopic fans were against this, but they can't hold back the tide forever.

Washington NFL team to use 'Washington Football Team' for 2020 season

For more substantive, sports related discussion on this cultural change and how it's impacting the NFL, head on over to the NFL discussion thread here: https://forum.malaza...ost__p__1411445

[Aptorian]

I haven't been following that discussion closely but wasn't there a report years ago about Native Americans not giving a fuck about the Redskins brand? Or did something change in the meantime?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Aptorian, on 23 July 2020 - 05:56 PM, said:

I haven't been following that discussion closely but wasn't there a report years ago about Native Americans not giving a fuck about the Redskins brand? Or did something change in the meantime?

'Dear white people, stop telling Native Americans like me whether we're offended by the Washington Redskins

The Washington Post recently published an article which claimed that "the majority of Native Americans still aren't offended by the name of Washington Redskins." The article comes amid ongoing debate over whether the name of the US capital's football team is racist.

Upon reading the poll's findings, we quickly learn that the publication conducted this survey via phone with 500 "self-identified" Native Americans.'

https://www.independ...e-a9058881.html

'many people who do not satisfy tribal requirements identify themselves as Native American [...] This is practiced by nearly half a million Americans [...] self-identification is problematic on many levels. It is sometimes said, in fun, that the largest tribe in the United States may be the "Wantabes".[30]

Garroutte identifies some practical problems with self-identification as a policy, quoting the struggles of Indian service providers who deal with many people who claim ancestors, some steps removed, who were Indian. She quotes a social worker, "Hell, if all that was real, there are more Cherokees in the world than there are Chinese."'

https://en.wikipedia...-identification

'In 2016, the Washington Post published a poll about whether Native Americans found the Washington Redskins' name offensive. Ninety percent of respondents said they were not offended by the team's name.
[...]

But a new study from academics at the University of Michigan and UC Berkeley contradicts that data. In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins' name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a "tomahawk chop," and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances.'

[...]

[the Post poll] would never be scientifically published. They called people, as part of a larger study, and they had these items [about mascots] in there. One of the things that we know in science is that the questions you ask before and after influence the response. For example, if I asked you a really serious question about people who are dying in your community, and then I say, "By the way, are you offended by Native mascots?" you see how you can really influence people. People have requested to know what the items were and what order they were in. The second issue is that they called people. There's very good data that shows when you do a call versus online, it changes peoples' responses. When you call, people are more likely to give positive and socially desirable answers. And then they only allowed as answers to their question, "are you offended, are you indifferent, are you not bothered?" Native people telling a person they don't know that they're "offended," that's a strong emotion.

[...] We took the same question [the Post asked], but we gave participants a one-to-seven scale. So you can answer, "I'm somewhat offended, I'm moderately offended, I'm extremely offended." We also didn't call them, we allowed them to do it online. There's no stranger or other person you're trying to account for, [worrying] what they're going to think about your response. Many Native scholars have reached out and asked for the [Post's] data. Or, better yet, show us what your questionnaire was, what are all of the items that you asked? They won't share it. None of that.'
https://www.washingt...-redskins-name/

TL;DR the Post poll was pseudo-scientific garbage. A recent peer-reviewed study indicates that about half of Native Americans find it offensive.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 23 July 2020 - 06:17 PM

[amphibian]

There have been protests of the Washington team name by people belonging to various tribes for decades. They continue to happen and it is widely accepted that the name is a slur, even if certain people decide that they are not bothered by the name.

The intent is not to "go after other names of NFL teams". The intent is to get the hurt caused by that terrible name to stop.

Snyder is such a shitbag. The story about many, many women experiencing sexual harassment just came out and there's so much more to it including the 2018 trip to Costa Rica where cheerleaders were basically used as escorts by proxy and had their passports taken away so they couldn't leave.

The franchise is legendary now for being extremely dysfunctional and the players have been reacting to things like cancer being misdiagnosed and contract fuckery before these gathered critical momentum.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Navajo Nation president Jonathan Nez [...] released a statement[:]

"We strongly encourage the NFL Washington organization to rename their team in such a way that truly honors and respects the First Americans of this country," the statement reads. "Renaming the team 'Code Talkers' to honor the Navajo Code Talkers, and other tribal nations who used their sacred language to help win World War II, would set the team on a path to restoring its reputation and correcting the historical misrepresentation of Indigenous peoples."'

https://www.cbssport...-nfl-franchise/

[Malankazooie]

The call to change the name for quite some time now has been overwhelmingly bigger then a small number who hold to tradition and are against it..... full stop.

When FexEx was going to hit him in his pocket book, only than did the owner decide to wear his "I'm compassionate and I hear you mask."

It's a stupid name of a professional football team for over paid athletes who run around fighting over a ball. Changing the name shouldn't be such a defining issue of our times.

[stone monkey]

It seems to me that, as with many discussions around the subject of race (see the All Lives Matter stuff in response to BLM), the stance of a lot of White America is not "We want to listen to what you actually think", or even "We've heard what you think, and don't care", it's actually "Shut the fuck up and go away so we can continue doing whatever the hell we like."

They don't want to heed or ignore non-white voices, they just don't want there to be non-white voices. It's like even the very idea that people who aren't them exist, and also have opinions, aggrieves them.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Using Centers for Disease Control (CDC) data, Hansen (2017) shows that Native Americans had the highest population-adjusted rates of fatal encounters with law enforcement of any minority group from 1995 to 2015. The elevated rates of Native American fatal encounters with officers and several infamous deaths of Native American individuals sparked the Native Lives Matter movement (Hansen, 2017). Despite the increased awareness from the movement, police-related deaths for Native American individuals receive less press. Both Hansen (2017) and Schroedel and Chin (2017) note that fatal encounters for Native American individuals often garner little media attention, despite their relatively high population-adjusted frequency.'

https://www.pnas.org...nt/116/34/16793

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 25 July 2020 - 03:13 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

stone monkey, on 25 July 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:

It seems to me that, as with many discussions around the subject of race (see the All Lives Matter stuff in response to BLM), the stance of a lot of White America is not "We want to listen to what you actually think", or even "We've heard what you think, and don't care", it's actually "Shut the fuck up and go away so we can continue doing whatever the hell we like."

They don't want to heed or ignore non-white voices, they just don't want there to be non-white voices. It's like even the very idea that people who aren't them exist, and also have opinions, aggrieves them.

It's a bit more complicated. Even for (most) conservatives, Black people are hypervisible in media (relative to being 13.4% of the population). Pre-20th century Native Americans appear in mythologized form (with white atrocities elided or implicitly justified by the mythic tropes), while present-day Native Americans are rarely represented.

But Black hypervisibility has generally been within a context of racial stereotypes about Black culture and/or genetics (with exemplary exceptions, like Ben Carson), and constraints on the autonomy of Black voices, particularly when criticizing racism (and racist systems which conservatives glorify). The conservative objection to celebratory dances in the NFL seems to be an objection to Black expressivity and culture, contrasted with supposedly 'white' values of traditional decorum or humility (similar to the ridiculous conservative claims that the Obamas were reducing the dignity of the presidency by their sartorial choices---for example, when the President wore a tan suit, or when Michele Obama wore a dress that revealed her arms---or the claims that Obama was 'arrogant' (really meaning 'uppity'), with photos of his chin raised in the air as proof).

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 25 July 2020 - 04:21 PM

[stone monkey]

US conservatives essentially get annoyed just by literally seeing Black people. The imaginary, and yet for some all too real, crime of Walking (or Driving, or Being President, or any one of a number of things) While Black is enough evidence of that.

Black people are hypervisible in popular culture because they invented (and have continually reinvented) modern popular music. They're hypervisible in sports because sporting prowess was, for a very long time, they only way for many black people to gain any kind of recognition in a field that wasn't music.

They're visible in these areas because they are really the only areas in which the broader white society allows Black Americans to excel i.e. to entertain them. And in both these areas white US society has often very vocally hungered for a "Great White Hope" to come along and put those uppity Blacks in their place.

And yes, while not American, I have literally been the black kid reading a book who was told by more than one white person that books "weren't for me".

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 25 July 2020 - 10:45 PM

[Terez]

I've often said that Trump shouldn't be all that surprising to us after white people were forced to endure a black family in the White House for 8 years. Least scandalous presidency in living memory. They tried to drum up scandals but it was stuff like Benghazi where even their star prosecutor guy Trey Gowdy said there was no there there. The only thing offensive about Obama was his blackness, end of story. White supremacist militias haven't been this popular in over half a century.

A candidate other than Hillary might have been able to prevent Trump and the escalation that comes with him but those 8 years were very hard for white people who are conditioned to blame everything on people who are not like them. The more distinguishable the Other, the more they are scapegoated.

[Macros]

I don't think celebrities are going to save us.

But Bon Jovis new single American Reckoning is pretty damn ace.



This is where you all crush me and say he's actually a KKK member and the song is about building a wall