[Tennes]

I'm here and trying to read up. I apologize for my absence earlier today. I was on the road for more than twelve hours.

[Tennes]

This post is disturbing, because it displays a level uselessness and incomprehension that beggars the mind. I would like to ask Kesso about his purpose in writing that post.

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

Yeah it's on my head and I have no fucking problem with that.

You know why? Because lacking even the most basic of town roles we are left with relying ALMOST COMPLETELY on CFs and who bendal chooses to fight, you SERIOUSLY wanted us to lynch someone bendal did not choose on day one? someone WHO WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO VOTE FOR? And as to the "stupid fucking theory" most of the thread happened to agree with me, so I guess if you don't want stupid fucking theories to be tested you should provide better alternatives to stupid fucking theories, so people can see your giant brain at work and say "hey skintick is right that's a better idea!" but you didn't do that, you know how I know? Because that STUPID FUCKING THEORY was accepted as the best move for town.

I agree with this. We tested quite a few different things by lynching a combatant on day1 and we confirmed a PI for town. I'm gonna go out of my way and say that it was a useful day1.

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

So Skintick definitely had the ability, it was mentioned in the PS scenes, and actually is happening.

Now this could go one of two ways in my opinion, we could go after Kessobahn (My reasoning is now that Skintick is PI that Bendal will want him eliminated and that he would use his guard to do it. Banking on us not lynching a fighter for the second day in a row)

Or we could ignore Bendal's fight choices, lynch someone else and see a result of a fight for the first time.

BH chose Kesso before the lynch scene didn't he? He didn't know for sure that Skintick was a PI then.

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

We have to think how a guard would want to play this game, they are not going to want to stand out, they are going to want to stay off everyone's radar as much as possible. Easy to get into the later stages of the game by not making any waves, or venturing any strong opinions.

I don't agree with this at all. Because It is built on the assumptions that A)Shields will play passively.( let town guide themselves) and B)The best way to stay off everyone's radar is not making any waves. I mean how long did "not making any waves" last this game? one whole day...

[Tennes]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.
I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.
What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:
Merrid at 6
Aranatha at 6
Iparth Erule at 8
Kessobahn at 9
(me and tennes at 11)
I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

You can expect all you want but the red part is incorrect. You are assuming that Shields knowing each other will mean they have off thread comms. If they don't they have a way for cummincation, they can't collaborate as you suggest.

Ano and PG's reading incomprehension regarding Ghennan is disgusting, particularly for someone who dares accuse other townies of being "shitty town". (I'm looking at you Ano)

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

Just went through Merrid's massive 6 posts. Lowposting, just sort of agreeing and doing summaries of stuff already talked about, and he hops on the train. He does no attacking, no real digging, nothing that might get people riled up with him or to give anyone a second glance at him.

something something playing far too smooth to be town something something?

I agree with this post, it raises a good point.

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

Since Ghennen has apparently decided he can't have a conversation without taking his ball and going home, what do you think re: do the shields know each other?

Assuming the standard town/scum ratio is 3 to 1. This game setup makes it too easy for town win. (14 players/ 3 scum/11 town makes it almost 4 to 1) So I'm gonna say the Shields know each other and may even have lover convo. (unlikely)

Skintick, on 30 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

I try not to assume things. Bendal pretty much disappeared on day one. Also, you were doing a very effective job of keeping the focus of the thread on me. That is two possible reasons for him not mandating activity.

However, on day two he has switched to putting time limits on the mandates. That strongly suggests three or four things to me.

Care to elaborate on the "three or four things" ?

Eldat Pressen, on 30 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

I actually want to throw Tennes out there as well. looking back through the thread his contributions have been pretty much non-existant. And yet from the posted post counts he is right there in the middle. So lets get something more on thread.

Vote Tennes

I participated in the day1 talk, laid out my ideas and asked questions. Sorry I wasn't being a dick to everyone. Seriously, what the heck do you count as contribution?


So, what I think right now is that EP sucks. Anomander is a pompous ass with a good catch regarding Merrid and sucky reading comprehension. Prazec Gouls idea of how the shields would play is stupid, because of not making any waves would have led to not getting lynched, scum would have had the perfect strategy to play in every M&P game.
I also don't think the case on Ultama has much merit, it's built on him posting a lot in the middle of a day, isn't it?
The best lynch candidate right now is Merrid in my opinion.
Also, Crixus did have a game postponed during the tv series so ... (Skintick)

I will vote Merrid later in the day in absence of significant change.

[Skintick]

Tennes, on 30 July 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Skintick, on 30 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

I try not to assume things. Bendal pretty much disappeared on day one. Also, you were doing a very effective job of keeping the focus of the thread on me. That is two possible reasons for him not mandating activity.

However, on day two he has switched to putting time limits on the mandates. That strongly suggests three or four things to me.

Care to elaborate on the "three or four things" ?

The obvious first one is that he can only tell one person at a time what to do.

Second - at some point on day one he was pissing himself wishing that he could mandate the actions of somebody but he had tied himself up by making my rhyme time the remainder of the day. I don't know how useful that is today but in coming days there might be a link.

Third - I think it shows that he is, or at least started off, doing things impulsively rather than putting a lot of thought into them. I.e. the choice of fighters so early in the day, which Merrid (iirc) pointed out. Which in turn suggests that

Fourth - he's emotional and we can push his buttons. And an emotional Bendal might be a Bendal that will make slips when he types.

[Skintick]

By the by Bendal. Has anyone ever suggested to you that you seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with feces? It's been a long time since Psych 101 but isn't that the one of the signs of an emotionally repressed personality?

[Ultama]

Well I'm around for about a half hour today. Trying to play mafia at work just doesn't work for me anymore but I finished a little early so will try and make a go of being a good little gladiator.

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

Yeah it's on my head and I have no fucking problem with that.

You know why? Because lacking even the most basic of town roles we are left with relying ALMOST COMPLETELY on CFs and who bendal chooses to fight, you SERIOUSLY wanted us to lynch someone bendal did not choose on day one? someone WHO WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO VOTE FOR? And as to the "stupid fucking theory" most of the thread happened to agree with me, so I guess if you don't want stupid fucking theories to be tested you should provide better alternatives to stupid fucking theories, so people can see your giant brain at work and say "hey skintick is right that's a better idea!" but you didn't do that, you know how I know? Because that STUPID FUCKING THEORY was accepted as the best move for town.

This post bothers me. A M&P game is essentially roles town against unknown scum. How does the basics of this game really differ from that. Nothing about this game really changes that. So we know who will die with a 50-50 probability before night that normal mafia games don't have which is actually more information for town than most M&P games. Lynching someone that will or will not be put in the arena shouldn't matter how we approach the game. This post seems very antagonistic.

[Ultama]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

So Skintick definitely had the ability, it was mentioned in the PS scenes, and actually is happening.

Now this could go one of two ways in my opinion, we could go after Kessobahn (My reasoning is now that Skintick is PI that Bendal will want him eliminated and that he would use his guard to do it. Banking on us not lynching a fighter for the second day in a row)

Or we could ignore Bendal's fight choices, lynch someone else and see a result of a fight for the first time.

I'm not sure I agree with this. We talked about this as a strategy so I doubt that Bendal will try that route this time around. I see round three or four is where we are likely to see one of the shields at the earliest in the bouts. I agree with the last part as there are a few people that I have suspicions about.

[Merrid]

I get accused of middle of the road when I'm getting screwed at work and rather busy at home? Oh jeez, thank you.

Tennes, care to elaborate on why I'm the best lynch candidate?



And now, for something completely different, speculation I'd been building as to that big mechanic we've not yet seen in action; BH's delayed fight.

Warning, role speculation ahead. You don't like it? Tough shit.

So, we have for scum (detail taken from Spartacus wiki as I've not seen the show);

Batiatus; Tyrant Steve role. LP until Ono and Ashur are dead. No indication that he can't enter fights himself.

Roled/guard/shield/whatever you want to call them. More likely to survive a fight than most town:

Onomaeus; Doctore. Joins the rebels according to wiki. Little clue as to weapons but skilled with them all, potential symp/lover pairing if there is Melitta in the game, this goes a big way to rebalance the odds if so. Suspect multiple attacks or special moves, capable of killing most town.

Ashur; former gladiator with a crippled leg. Due to that character titbit fighting him hitting low low low in the hope of a vulnerability may do well. Slow moving and good with unarmed combat.




Now we come to the fun stuff - town roles. Anyone surviving a fight is also a suspect for being a guard.

Spartacus; Armour varies a lot. Wife called Sura so potential town lover pair right there, if so they can compare their stats so know if it was someone powerful who took the other down if in a fight, potentially highlighting one of the scum. Potential weapon choices are available: sword and shield, dual-swords and spear. So hard hitting and good defence. Our big gun in the arena, just needs to avoid being labelled as a shield.

Crixus; No armour details. Potential lover in Naevia. Sword/shield combo, brute force - heavy gun for town, another scum killer.

Gannicus; Two sword attacks so no shield, No armour but can use a fighting style that is defensive. Friend of Ono. Got some "signature" attacks - potential vote override in a draw situation?


Tennes speculates Crixus may be Skintick in which case he's probably a good fighter so should try to win. Although Kesso has less posts than me so won't be too much of a loss.

So, time to look at alts. I'm only going to do those with votes on (except, naturally, me) because time. And yes, I'm probably treading no new ground. Deal with it.

[Merrid]

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 28 July 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Haha, was that a poor attempt to turn attentions onto me, you who tried to distance yourself from Batiatus with your very first post?

And what's this about usurping to take his place? No mention of that in the OP. You wouldn't have perhaps got the idea from 1) the previous Tyrant Steve game, and 2) your own role PM, now would you?

This post is quite stupid, since all of Batiatus's team have to be dead before he can be killed.(stated in the OP)

Checks in, comprehension of the OP so good start compared to some.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

May I ask what you count as "very hostile, very fast" ?
I just pointed out how his accusation could not be true. That makes him the one who is throwing shit at people without a logical reason.

Calm and collected or covering.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Calling someone stupid in the first 5 words of your first post on thread counts to me as very aggressive

Really? Straw manning on page 1? I said the post was stupid not the poster.

Leaning towards calm

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 28 July 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just stupid.

Your face is stupid.

Yeah, calm and collected.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gladiators gather. This Ludus housed many champions in its time, and yet none greater stand before me on this day. I have secured position in the coming games! Two men to face each other in deadly contest. No quarter given, no mercy shown.

SKINTICK AND DENESMET! TWO LEGENDS TO APPEASE CAPUA AND THE GODS. MAY GLORIOUS DEATH BRING RAIN.

Whoever you are, you watch way too much Spartacus.

Has clearly watched some Spartacus.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

What happens if we lynch Denesmet? Does Batiatus get another chance to chose fighters?
Those puns are like torture.

Good direction of thought, again game comprehension.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 July 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

Why Denesmet and not Skintick in this post?

Because of "thinking Capua" and "OH YEAAAH"

Which is referenced by the part about puns.


EDIT: What is with the Japanese avatar? Aren't you afraid of D'rek's wrath?

Agreed on voting reasons

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Here and read up. I like lynching one of the two combatants for day1, although I don't think it would be a good idea for the whole game. BH is likely to change his tactics after today and we shouldn't use WIFOM to choose our lynch candidates.
Also, I think we should test Skin's reveal. It will at least give us a PI person if he does deliver on his reveal.
I'm more likely to vote for Denesmet right now rather than Skin. But will wait longer for more discussion.

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I think Bendal would not choose
one of his own to lose
in a fight
on first night

You're just repeating yourself. Despite the fact that I like your rhymes, I don't like you muddying the thread and making it difficult to reread.

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

No CF tonight is no good. Im leaning towards voting Denesmet since at least if the fight still gets delayed we have at least one person to rule out for tomorrow. That probably is the most info we will get out of this.

I agree.

Vote Denesmet

Tennes, on 30 July 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'm here and trying to read up. I apologize for my absence earlier today. I was on the road for more than twelve hours.

I'm not going to quote his last two posts but they're in a similar vein. I find myself agreeing with Tennes in his approach to the game, his logic and his choices. All are sound, willing to test mechanics as needed but making sure to remind people not to let the thread be driven past D1 by it. Unfortunately he wants to vote me today.

Tennes is exemplary town. Maybe too good. Either way I will not vote for him today.

[Ultama]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

We have to think how a guard would want to play this game, they are not going to want to stand out, they are going to want to stay off everyone's radar as much as possible. Easy to get into the later stages of the game by not making any waves, or venturing any strong opinions.

Sounds just like how scum would play in a normal game which ties in nicely with why I'm getting a funny vibe with how hostile Ghennan was right after the lynch resolution.

[Merrid]

Dammit, post lost.

Not got time to re-do it, basics was read through of Ultama. Lots of niggles.

Vote Ultama

[Ultama]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.

I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.

What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:

Merrid at 6

Aranatha at 6

Iparth Erule at 8

Kessobahn at 9

(me and tennes at 11)




I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

I would venture that the shields likely don't know each other. That would probably help with the balance of the game and is in line with how the other tyrant game was set up. Yes I know they are different games but they have their similarities.

[Ultama]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

I also dislike the way Ultama went from 6 posts in almost 30 hours of the game, to 15 posts in a short space of time. Someone looking at their post count? It puts him right smack middle of the pack.

That has largely to do with my window to actually play the game. If you notice that yesterday and today I'm following a very similar pattern. Nothing but silence from me for large stretches of time and then a series of posts crammed in a very small window and those posts are referencing things that have been discussed a few pages back. I'm not sorry if you like it. It is what it is.

[Ultama]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.

I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.

What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:

Merrid at 6

Aranatha at 6

Ultama at 6

Iparth Erule at 8

Kessobahn at 9

(me and tennes at 11)




I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

I just added Ultama to your list. He went from zero to hero in the later stages of the day. That is mightily suspicious combined with his need to add that extra vote.

This coming from someone I publicly stated that you have two strikes against you in my opinion. A bit of OMGUS here if you ask me.

[Ultama]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

And here you are just being an idiot. Please say someone has set you straight on this by now? If not I'll spell it out for you.

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

Man I have to agree with hot here Prazec. Do you understand yet?

[Ultama]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Aranatha misses the train, asks a couple questions, and posts a 'did anyone think to not trust skinticks reveal' after numerous people spent lots of posts arguing about it... little attacking here, but it reads more like an uninterested (skimming the thread) townie to me.

If I recall Ghannan was the biggest disputer of the whole Skin ability reveal. So now that the reveal has been proven true he has the most egg on his face for that in my opinion. But everyone has a right to be stupid eh Ghennan

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

As annoying as I am finding Ghennan's style of play posts like this are leading me to lean that he is more likely a gladiator than scum. I've felt just like this on more than one occasion. So either he is a very good actor or he is town. Not a clear PI by any stretch of things but I'm definitely be focusing on others more strongly.

And with that I need to run. Not done with my catchup but I should get an hour or two later tonight to finish getting up to speed.

[Tennes]

I'm going to sleep. will be back before time out.

[Kessobahn]

Well back, however briefly.

I double checked, and even if Skin and I refuse to submit actions, one of us will die. Essentially lack of actions result in a tie, which means winner is the one with the most votes. And if no one votes, BH apparently decides on the victor.

Skin, I have submitted my 5 action plan and would suggest you submit your own. Personally, I would prefer you win. I haven't been that great of a player this game, and you seem more helpful, if you are indeed town.

I will review a bit more, see what I can spot, and then wait for the fight in the arena.